Hand to hand? Are you training?

[Matt In Oklahoma]

I've trained with a lot of people, but I want to train with this dude- he's da bomb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2U-ZQMf56I

Hey Wiseowl ya know what the best part of this ninjy is? He has a mustache!

[Matt In Oklahoma]

We have all been learning the stick fighting. This is something that is totally new to me outside of baton training as a LEO and Military or Military pugil stick and this is totally different. Myself, Grand and Sharpshooter and company went. It's a skill that while the drills are tough to master the swings and blocks can be used with little training with everyday stuff that can just be picked up off the ground or lying around. It makes you think and play the "what if" game. I'm really having a tough time with some of the drills, ole dog new tricks kinda thing but I'm working hard to keep up. I struggling to get past my caveman "club them like a baby seal" attitude instead using graceful moves and specific strikes.






Grand and MIO do battle with one another while becoming full fledged tacticool ninjas before arthritis sets in LOL



Sharpshooter working form on heaven 6 drills

[Block6dad]

you guys are all way beyond me in all things to include and especially H2H prep and experience, but my 2 cents worth is a quote from my Drill sergeant 30 years ago: "i don't care what your mos is when in the S&*$ everyone is 11B". that being infantry, meaning when in trouble or combat you better be able to shoot and fight like your life depended on it because is does. :) Loved that guy, well not then i didn't. :)

The other thing is i have four boys, all pretty bad asses or they think they are, :) but dad has the key and it usually wins every time and that is experience. :) of course we aint really fighting. :)

just saying...... :):) I enjoy reading you guys. :):)

[Matt In Oklahoma]

you guys are all way beyond me in all things to include and especially H2H prep and experience, but my 2 cents worth is a quote from my Drill sergeant 30 years ago: "i don't care what your mos is when in the S&*$ everyone is 11B". that being infantry, meaning when in trouble or combat you better be able to shoot and fight like your life depended on it because is does. :) Loved that guy, well not then i didn't. :)
The other thing is i have four boys, all pretty bad asses or they think they are, :) but dad has the key and it usually wins every time and that is experience. :) of course we aint really fighting. :)
just saying...... :):) I enjoy reading you guys. :):)

No day like today to start. There are several of these groups in different states Florida, Texas etc and the cost is either nothing or small compared to traditional jojos. When we are inside the cost of the room is split. I found this by accident searching for force on force classes.
I prefer combatives to traditional because it incorporates the weapons. For instance next week I'm covering the rear chokes, triangles and defense, easy enough but now give the defender a rubber knife or rubber gun and everything changes in how much time you have as an attacker to finish to how do you access as the defender without exposure to the finish or allowing them to see it coming?
You then have to figure out what body part can be attacked because you can shoot thru them and into yourself pretty quick and same with a long knife on the stab.
Thought, Physicality, Training and Experience make the fight. There is always luck but that's a poor substitute.

[Block6dad]

No day like today to start. There are several of these groups in different states Florida, Texas etc and the cost is either nothing or small compared to traditional jojos. When we are inside the cost of the room is split. I found this by accident searching for force on force classes.

Cool, i didn't know or think about that, i know basics but we need the continued practice, any guidance on how you made that search? just force on force in my area? I had the older three boys in Kung fu can't pronounce the style, anyway when i came off AD couldn't afford it anymore. besides i was getting disappointed with it as it was mainly Kata's and not much actually fighting.

It's on my list of prepping, and while i think it is very important, I'm still working on water, food, ammo and guns, but i'm getting there.

Thank you for the guidance.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Cool, i didn't know or think about that, i know basics but we need the continued practice, any guidance on how you made that search? just force on force in my area? I had the older three boys in Kung fu can't pronounce the style, anyway when i came off AD couldn't afford it anymore. besides i was getting disappointed with it as it was mainly Kata's and not much actually fighting.
It's on my list of prepping, and while i think it is very important, I'm still working on water, food, ammo and guns, but i'm getting there.
Thank you for the guidance.

Do searches for force on force, try meetup.com look at combatives and martial arts, have the boys ask around wrestling class because alot of the assistant instructors are mma fighters and they will train in a non professional environment sometimes. Your not gonna get a professional instructor but someone to train with at least.

[Grand58742]

Grand and MIO do battle with one another while becoming full fledged tacticool ninjas before arthritis sets in LOL

Just FYI, I didn't need any pain ointment or medication the day after...unlike SOME people that complained heartily about needing the Bengay the next day...week.

All in all, interesting training session. Hard for me to wrap my head around some of the stuff since I've been practicing one way for so long. But I eventually got the hang of it and will be able to pick up those plungers in Home Depot and start puttin a whuppin on someone.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Just FYI, I didn't need any pain ointment or medication the day after...unlike SOME people that complained heartily about needing the Bengay the next day...week.
hahahahaha Grand lies, hehehe oh man wait till you do knife force on force full contact. It aint no joke and them arms are gonna be busted up. This was the easiest thing we've done since I started
All in all, interesting training session. Hard for me to wrap my head around some of the stuff since I've been practicing one way for so long. But I eventually got the hang of it and will be able to pick up those plungers in Home Depot and start puttin a whuppin on someone.

yes the plunger conversation LOL I had envision Bruce Willis in the next Die Hard whoppin some terrorist in home depot with plungers during that discussion with a yippie kiyi ya ..
Word of advice - dont start SonnyP The Forge pushup exercises the day before you stick class especially at my age/shape

[Matt In Oklahoma]

BTW Grand graduated with honors. I took a pic, see if you can pick him out

[Grand58742]

BTW Grand graduated with honors. I took a pic, see if you can pick him out

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My ninja skills are complete! You can't see me!

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Worked on knife vs open hand tonight
Parry, strike then access our weapon from a concealed position. Got cut short by bad weather, hail, tornadoes and flash floods n such but I'll take a short session over none anyday!

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Having a Gun
I am always having conversations on “having a gun isn’t enough”. Recently at a training session a guy espoused the fact that he had timed himself by walking fast for 20 ft and that was enough time for him to draw, chamber a round and fire at any attacker. There are very few men I know whose ninja skills are that good. We discussed the fact that it wouldn’t be a fast walk when he was attacked. I told him it seemed we had a minute to grab a rubber gun and we would test his theory but not at a walk. I told him I would allow him to move first, not gonna happen during an attack either. When he flinched I charged and basically he drew and froze, unable to chamber the round in time, and I sasquatched him. I then explained that the Tueller rule was designed for 21ft from an exposed duty holster with a duty ready handgun. He needed to have a round chambered, he needed more space or a way to create it to get to a concealed draw and a plan if it all went wrong.
I then showed him lateral movement and by getting off the X it gained him time to engage, discussed target selection during this and discussed just accepting the charge and wrapping up the attacker to stop the stab/punch then fighting back out to earn the weapon access when it all fails.
We must train, having a gun isn’t enough. The person in this story well he was training and the lessons learned will probably save him if anything ever happens so very little negative judgment can be made for those who worry about such things. In fact I applaud him for pushing off the couch and getting busy.
We then discussed the pocket rocket 380 and being realistic even though he "kept a round chambered" in that one.

There are other posts covering this stuff as well:

https://www.survivalandpreparednessforum.com/showthread.php?3311-To-Chamber-of-Not-To-Chamber/page2

https://www.survivalandpreparednessforum.com/showthread.php?4496-Weekend-Training&highlight=Tueller

He then re-payed me for the quick lesson by stabbing me with a rubber knife in the next drill showing me my ninja skills were also lacking LOL

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Well got more of the team there last night for some knifework. So now its me, Grand, Sharpshooter and Team Karen which aint bad for our bunch. Like I said played with blades and defense.

We worked thru alot of things and some things worked and some didnt

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Enjoyed it as always we worked knife defense again. Got Team Karen and Team Hit n Miss out there.
There were a few things I gotta practice harder on as I ate the blade several times with a couple of training partners.
A couple of things of note are:
Have the mindset that you will get cut/stabbed, there is no way around it in this type of knife vs empty hands fight. The key is staying in it and not giving up.

Work their blade into them whenever possible. It saves your resources for later and is the tool at hand requiring no extra motion to access.

Physical fitness plays into this stuff. I don't care what "moves" you think you have if you are fighting someone who has more endurance, is stronger and faster it will be a long day even if you win.

Get off the X and move, lots of footwork in staying alive.

There is always one more thing you can do. If one doesn't work try something else. There are always variables.

Study the anatomy, don't need to know the names of stuff. Know what holds what together and why it should be cut and where the blood flows freely OR has the best psychological effect. It's a difference between a trained fighter and the thug on the street swinging randomly. Cut whatever you can but when you have a choice waste little motion and conserve because that opponent may just be the first of many.

We worked the armbar takedown which I demonstrated however I'm still not sure with certain exceptions that should be used in knife fighting. I fully believe for the purposes of most in the class that the breaking contact and accessing your weapon and/or gaining distance is best. It's an option, tool for the toolbox. If it was used I would break off the contact once they hit the ground unless you are very confident. I must remain committed to the task at hand so that the threat doesn't leave the area and harm others by maintaining control but unless you have loved ones nearby with no chance of escape I would really take the time to consider options now before engagement. I chose my course of career and life but it is not the path all should follow especially for survival because even after all these years there are days I still don't go home the same as I went in from avoidable injuries.

I hope everyone made it home safely and undamaged. That storm got wrapped up pretty tight and dumped some big hail and 70+mph winds.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Last night was great! It took my mind off the last few days events and destruction and allowed me to decompress. We worked with sticks. Something I was not fond of at first at all but have had my horizons expanded by my training family.
I'm seeing the usefulness of them and starting to get the feeling for them and have found where the power truly comes from now that I'm holding them properly and am using my body in alignment using feet through the hips and into the shoulder like I do when I punch.
It was good to train with Team Hit n Miss and Team Karen aka kindling maker :)