Hand to hand? Are you training?

[WWS]

Thank you. Yeah, I agree. I'm in my mid forties and I can do lots of things that people half my age can't do. And when people find out my age, they get all freaked out like I shouldn't be fit as I am. Haha. I like what you say, "It is what it is." I have already been witness to the better health. It is pretty amazing.

[1Admin]

Your never too old. One of the Judokas that used to come to our gym was 49 and could do cartwheels like they were going out of style. Had some sick throws too :)

We are conditioned in Amerika to think that once you hit 40 your life is over. Hell mines just beginning! Yeah I wished I had started earlier also, but I didn't and "it is what it is."

Keep on keeping on. Better health is a side benefit of this sort of thing also.

A while back, I recovered from a surgical procedure in just a couple weeks and was back on the mats. My physical terrorist, the doc and others all couldn't believe the things I could do just a couple days out of surgery. So quicker recovery times on injuries is another benefit of this sort of thing also.

[WWS]

Hello, I'm new to the forum and to the thread but I just wanted to say, "Yes. I do train in hand-to-hand combat." I'm only a first degree black sash. I train in Baguazhang and I am training predominantly for dem mak. I also train in knife fighting, swordmanship, machete usage and stick/cane fighting. I have a ways to go, but I'm getting there. I wish I had discovered the art in my childhood or early adulthood, but here I am in the summer of my life. Still, I say it is better to start wherever you are than to never start at all. I'm thankful for the opportunity to train.

[Chief]

I like it good work. Your partner looks like she knows what she is doing. I can tell because she looks really relaxed and easy in her stance. It shows confidence but also shows ready to react. People don't realize this in fights of any kind that is easier to react if you’re calm and loose then rigid like a board.

She looks like she is doing a good job to.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Worked knives this session. Better to play bleed now than try and learn during so get out there and get busy folks!
Learned some new stuff at least to me with different systems. Try to add more tools to the toolbox







and yes I know the pics are blurry but it's cause I'm moving my slow old fat bodied self trying to get away from the edge of this persistent as heck training partner!

[Lowdown3]

Lemme find out he has even a training AR

LOL! Had a red gun AR but that even jammed a couple times ;)

Told Grand I was really close to surprising the boy with a .22 AR here not that long ago. Then I realized I had better keep him from the path to the Dark Side.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

We have done Mui Thai stick fighting, knife fighting, boxing and last night Sharpshooter and I taught this adding a new dynamic they hadn't seen over even thought of.

https://www.survivalandpreparednessforum.com/showthread.php?2467-Ground-Fighting-and-Weapon-Draw&highlight=draw+ground+fighting

You have to get beyond the "having a gun is enough" and incorporate your styles into having weapons from long guns on down

Here is some pics of the other stuff we worked

[WiseOwl]

I took Kali (sp) years ago. Thats those duel weld bamboo type sticks. There was even a few kata style combos.
Hard thing is during practice you get hit in the knuckles all the time

But like any other stick weapon, they can be taken away just as easy as you can be beat down with them

[Matt In Oklahoma]

I could go down towards LD3 neck of the woods, I know them boys down there know that DirtRoad'njitsu. Beat ya down with a red training AR.... LOL

Lemme find out he has even a training AR

We worked muay thai stick fighting basics this week and after practicing this morning I finally got my "Heaven and Earth 6" down. We also did some basic pad boxing, whew its hard for me to do what someone tells me cause I've been going so long with just looking for an opening and taking it that having to follow instructions kicked my behind. Ole dog new trick thing ya know. Got Sharpshooter n company to go with me and they are gonna be joining now.
Didn't have me no proper fighting sticks so went to Lowes and got me some poplar dowel 1inch and cut them down to 28 inches and they work fine though they are heavier than the bamboo ones sold. Thank God I didn't buy the oak that were much denser/heavier or I woulda died out bout halfway thru class.
Shoulders and biceps got a good workout as did the ego LOL

[WiseOwl]

Started a combatives class last night. We worked knife fighting and it was awesome! Arms are very sore from the strikes I took. The women in the class are tough as woodpecker lips, smile all pretty at you then stab you to death LOL. I will be continuing this as they cover many things each week like stick fighting, systemia, weapon retention techniques, muy tai, force on force air soft etc etc. They are also looking for a suitable place for live fire training too.
Checked the ego at the door, told'em i didnt know anything was here to learn and took my licks and gave some back. Sweated my guts out trying to stay moving on the lateral and forward/backward. We had one exercise where you were not allowed to move only block and that was the hardest thing i've ever done after 29yrs of movement in knife fighting. It also re-enforced my belief of you had better move and this is the last place i want to be is in a open handed vs knife fight. The instructor was great and didnt have the "my way or highway" attitude and we all learned from one another. Can't wait for the next one and with current ammo shortages there is no excuse for not being in a class or another class cause they hadnt took that yet!

Thats awesome Bro Namath! Once I move and/or finally get into a more concrete home in the next couple of months I am going to look for a class to take in the area we settle. Lots of Tae Kwan Doodoo round here and wannabe MMA.
Growing up my mom taught Wing Chun and Muay Thai. She actually taught self defense to a couple of police departments here in the metro area.
I grew up taking Ishin Ryu (sp) and Karasuto Nomechi Do. My hand to hand was in the "streets and playgrounds" then grew into the clubs and parties.

I wish I could take Aikido but thats in ATL and its very high priced and far. Not only do I want to exert stress from the job and wife/kids but I want to see what my pain threshold is. As a young man I could throw and dish but thats been at least 4 years. I am 10 times stronger now but maybe 10-20% slower.

I could go down towards LD3 neck of the woods, I know them boys down there know that DirtRoad'njitsu. Beat ya down with a red training AR.... LOL

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Well I'm starting over. I'm taking a break from Wing Chun and getting into Aikido. It got me to wondering if people on this site and others like it are doing any hand to hand combat training along with their tactical training(if any). If so, what are you studying?

Started a combatives class last night. We worked knife fighting and it was awesome! Arms are very sore from the strikes I took. The women in the class are tough as woodpecker lips, smile all pretty at you then stab you to death LOL. I will be continuing this as they cover many things each week like stick fighting, systemia, weapon retention techniques, muy tai, force on force air soft etc etc. They are also looking for a suitable place for live fire training too.
Checked the ego at the door, told'em i didnt know anything was here to learn and took my licks and gave some back. Sweated my guts out trying to stay moving on the lateral and forward/backward. We had one exercise where you were not allowed to move only block and that was the hardest thing i've ever done after 29yrs of movement in knife fighting. It also re-enforced my belief of you had better move and this is the last place i want to be is in a open handed vs knife fight. The instructor was great and didnt have the "my way or highway" attitude and we all learned from one another. Can't wait for the next one and with current ammo shortages there is no excuse for not being in a class or another class cause they hadnt took that yet!

[Matt In Oklahoma]

No I am not, and all those Japanese/Chinese names are above my comprehension of what their fighting style actually does. I have very little training in hand to hand so what would be a sensible/practical form of hand to hand be?

I realize the answer would be highly dependant on what is an available school in the area but what would be some good basics to keep in mind?

I'll e-mail you

Matt: Read your jab comment and really did not know what you were talking about until I ran across your thread about rock climbing. Was not an intentional jab. I did laugh though. You're not taking SHTF ball room dancing are you? But anyway, I apologize if you were offended. I did not see or remember your thread.

Patriot: I agree with your comment on Titi Ortiz, he just came to mind when I was typing that thread.

I have been involved in H2H for years. Never utilized it much and it was my career. My intent to this thread was probably not clear. If you do not train in martial arts where you act without thinking you WILL revert back to what you know and that is swinging fists. I have seen many guys come out of the gate with textbook moves, get their nose flattened, and then start street fighting like they had never had any training. MA is a lifestyle, not a weekend warrior gig. It is probably some of the best exercise available in my opinion, especially ground work (grappling), but it can also be a dangerous false confidence. Nobody is ten foot tall and bullet proof and MA does not make you a super warrior. 90% of any true warrior is mindset. The skills are just frosting. If you have the will, you will most likely make it happen.

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We had a guy in class for about a year before he moved that was 49. He was a judoka. Looked just slightly chubby but really wasn't. I've never seen a grown older fellow do cartwheels. He also had some of the best throws I've ever seen. I liked standing up with him cause he could pull a throw out of thin air. Helped me learn a little more and more importantly, how to avoid some throws.

I guess I'm still in the vaunted 30 percentile, but I'm not hanging up my Gi, belt, fight shorts or rubber knife in a year or two. :)

I'm wondering why even the army decided that the karate chop stance from the 70's and 80's was bogus and went to a problem who's core
is essentially the Grace Combatives cirriculum?

Got a DVD a few months back called "Top Fighter" highlighted the Army's Top Fighter competition. For most purposes, watching the fights was a Jui Jitsu clinic.

All I can say is better make and KEEP a LOT of space. Some of the people I've met and trained with could take your weapon half a room away..... "I submit unto you, the fight will be what the fight will be."

[Cimarron]

No I am not, and all those Japanese/Chinese names are above my comprehension of what their fighting style actually does. I have very little training in hand to hand so what would be a sensible/practical form of hand to hand be?

I realize the answer would be highly dependant on what is an available school in the area but what would be some good basics to keep in mind?