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  • Ebola- let's wargame it

    Always a good exercise to get people thinking.

    This isn't something to be taken lightly IMO.

    A human enemy you can usually see or detect and fight. A viral enemy much harder to see and fight.

    Most of are basic NBC preps will come into play here. These include:

    *Quality mask and extra filters
    *Whole body protection- people debate this part but again we are talking about something with NO KNOWN CURE. Why risk it? This could be MOPP type suits and/or a durable Tyvek suit. Normally I laugh at the Tyvek suit idea, but this is one of the few things I would say yeah why not for. Being that primarily we are interested in the suit for protection against liquids- i.e, bodily fluids.
    *Bleach- lots of it. 4-5 gallons per household probably would do. Some dry pool care bleach- make sure the ingredients are the same.
    *Hand pump up sprayer like for spraying pesticide in the yard.
    *Gloves and boots
    *Kiddie pool
    *Plenty of soap and water


    OK, first and foremost it's important to understand and have some general planning considerations-

    1. Your not going- or shouldn't anyways- continue "business as usual" if this thing really hits. "But but but, my kids just HAVE to go to baseball practice.." OK, understand the risk and don't delude yourself. If this starts going- with the long incubation period this strain has, your little "last minute shopping trip" for preps you should have been getting all along, or whatever is now a RISK to you. This is not the usual strain of Ebola, it takes longer to show up. Therefore you probably won't see people bleeding out their eyes in the grocery store. This strain is harder to detect. Normal Ebola burns out quickly, this one hasn't.

    2. So you need to plan on being able to work from home, take an extended vacation from work, etc. Again, just part of your good general survival planning- not wasting vacation days on BS, keeping a good rapport with your boss, etc. Above all else, value what's important- you can replace your job, you can't replace your kids.

    This statement usually brings the most angst from preppers. They always delude themselves into thinking their will be a "clear trigger point" they will somehow be able to see and then begin to move. Their likely WON'T BE with this. Better to get moving early than never at all.

    3. Physical barriers- this includes "social distancing" and the like, as well as simple safeguards. Is your property fenced or can someone off the street walk right up to your front door? The larger the area you can essentially lock down, the better because the more distance this creates between you and others.

    IF this thing starts raging, you need to be able to lock down an area and control access to it. Figure it out now. Whether it's the space right around your apartment, or your 5 acres. Figure it out now. Figure out how far you will go now as far as enforcing that quarantine area.

    4. Late arrivals- This strain, having a much longer time frame to truly show itself, requires a much longer outside stay for those arriving at your place late. We used to advocate 2 weeks. With this you should consider a MONTH. Find the old thread on the forums here outlining some possible quarantine procedures, read it and make your own plan. Just letting Gramma in who arrives late cause the kids are crying to see her, might spell everyone's demise. Obviously if you have another dwelling, even a shed, fix it up now for a short living period.

    People that are planning on grouping up at your place should have as much of their supplies pre-positioning. Again, basic planning stuff. All the more important now cause of the risk of cross contamination. Yes I know it only survives a while outside the body, etc. However WHY RISK IT?

    5. Plan/practice basic decon. Bleach solution, kiddie pool, soap and water, sunshine, all these things help. Plan it now, locate it where it makes sense and won't cross contaminate water sources, etc.

    If you need some things from the store, get used to shopping at NIGHT if possible (less people in store) and use your common sense- social distancing, wrap a plastic bag around the handle of the cart, don't touch door handles, have your own pen if you need to write a check, wear glasses or sunglasses, keep your mouth closed. Get what you need and get out.

    Let's wargame it folks, what other ideas you got?
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  • #2
    The Swine Flu scare wiped out most suppliers of N95 particulate masks quickly and the prices shot up to insane levels... If you do not have several boxes of these masks NOW, NOW is the time to get them. A case of boxes is even better. My favorite by far is the 3M 8511 N95 mask:



    Since I use these for yard work, I have tested the cheap masks on eBay, and for BARTER or SHARING to others who do not have any masks, these are a good option, but they are NOT the same quality of the 3M. The N95 filter fibers are harder to inhale through, making breathing more of a chore than it should be. Moisture also clogs them faster. So do NOT get these for you and your family! Spend the dough on the 3M's and you will be happy you did.

    And for the love of God, do not think "surgical masks" will help you! They are only MINIMALLY useful and will not keep out the cooties... I use these to put over NBC military mask filters to extend life of filters and to keep debris out of filter. I stretch them over the round filter case and then secure them with a rubber band. Keeps the real filter underneath cleaner, which means more useful life.



    If you do not have a good supply of latex/nitrile household chore gloves, go to Big Lots or a Lowes and buy some. Have bleach too, liquid and granular (pool).

    Tyvek suits are also as cheap as they are ever going to be, so figure out your size and then buy several to a dozen. Lowes and Paint stores are a good source.

    All the usual crud hits the fan preps should come into play. Once you have the basics secured, then you can see how it plays out here in the USA and globally with a less burden of apprehension. Then pray YHWH allows it to be kept at bay...

    Both wife and I work in medical care environments, but not ER or other front-line areas. My workplace has foreign students that visit it. I am ~~hoping~~ that we will have "inside news" on any Ebola problems BEFORE most other medical facilities or the general population. It is hard to war game this stuff as there are too many variables, but I do know that wife and I would not show up for our "non essential" jobs (our official classification during emergencies) if I believe the risk is clear and present. It is the flukes and Murphy's Law that one needs to ponder...

    Basically, Ebola spreading in the USA would be catastrophic to our normal existence. It would affect everything. It could be the push over the cliff that everyone has been saying would send it tumbling down into martial law and nationalization of resources. Not good thoughts...

    Rmpl
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    • #3
      Some informational materials:

      Ebola / Haemorrhagic Fevers Infection Control

      CDC Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers

      CDC Viral hemorrhagic fevers (VHFs) in African Healthcare Manual
      Some key points:
      1. 1:100 chlorine solution used for decon
      2. Most durable equipment & gear can be disinfected and re-used.
      3. Have a burn barrel for medical waste and soiled supplies.
      Last edited by Rmplstlskn; 08-03-2014, 03:41 PM.
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      • #4
        I have made up signs like this. I will plan on not being home, but will post the signs on my closed gate. Maybe it would deter someone from looting? It could urge neighbors to torch the place, don't know.



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        • #5
          Staff tell of fears as jet from Africa is quarantined after the death of passenger who was 'sweating and vomiting' before she collapsed
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          • #6
            thanks guys...
            using your posts to make a list and go shopping..

            also,
            sent an email to a few associates around the globe. I sent the uk story (even though this "is not" ebola they say)
            and suggested that we forward info, articles, stuff from their work, church, clubs to each other relating to ebola or any pestilence.
            as far as I know, none are prepper types... one is predicting financial collapse... he's buying PM's.
            anyhow, hoping the group will participate, and hoping that it will kickstart some prepping on their part.

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            • #7
              Shopping list was made two days ago to fill gaps (gloves...bleach) .

              Gas.

              If it does got hot...utilities will flop....gas will be useful.
              Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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              • #8


                the Philippines have announced 7 new cases..

                if this is wrong thread to add this info... Holler!

                if this pestilence continues to spread... this may not be a game.

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                • #9
                  Sierra Leone seems to be a hot bed for this disease. IIRC they have the most cases.

                  Protus, you're right, gas will be gold if things go south. Gas prices seem to be dropping in my AO and is down to $3.19 this morning. I rotated a couple 5 gal jugs, so now would be a good time to refuel.


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                  • #10
                    Fred over at Max's forum has an excellent post on this strain of Ebola, how it's different than the usual strain, etc. I met him at one of the classes and he is a MEGA intelligent dude and very knowledgeable, trust his word on this.

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                    • #11
                      as many of us are the point of the spear so to speak for our entire extended family if things go south they will turn to us for assistance as they know how we are and that we probably are far more prepared than them. As such we should probably be thinking not only about prevention ie social distancing, PPE, chemicals but as was mentioned by Lowdown,, ISOLATION. If you don't have the outside space to quarantine new arrivals you better come up with a plan. What if your sister, her husband and three kids show up and one of the kids is sick? What do you do? Do you have two levels of quarantine? 1. for the apparently healthy and one for the questionable. I know I don't. What if one of the kids is complaining of a headache and muscle pain? do you just put that child in with the rest of the family assuming if one is infected they all are or would it be better to isolate that child with one of the parents as a care giver to reduce the risk of the whole family getting infected. Tough call. You may even consider a negative air pressure isolation area separate from the other quarantine area. Its not a terribly difficult thing to construct as long as you follow simple rules. Air must be pumped from the room at a rate high enough that it is constantly pulling clean air in. tape plastic sheet over recessed can lights, light switches, unused plugs, and windows anyplace air can enter or exit. Allow a small air gap opposite the location of the air pump and construct a double plastic door with a small room that allows for changing out of PPE, these articles are to be left behind in tied garbage bags and later burnt. Ebola is transmitted through contact and is not a airborn bug. However, if the person is showing signs of sickness you don't know if they have ebola it could just be some exotic strain of the flu that only kills 25% of its victims.(under normal conditions I might add, don't expect medical help for the flu if resources are tied up dealing with ebola) This entire waregaming exercise is a great example of why preparing for certain scenarios is a shortsided approach as many of the skills and supplies you would need for ANY pandemic are applicable here.

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                      • #12
                        Anyone heard of this "Virkon disinfectant powder", other than internet forum scuttlebutt?
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                        • #13
                          items I normally keep that would be useful here. Heavy plastic sheet, disposable latex gloves(lots and lots of them), large black lawn and leaf bags, smaller kitchen bags,plastic wash basins,SOAP, face goggles, medical grade foaming hand sanitizer,3m half face respirator, single use N95 masks etc, etc
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                          one I don't have that I should have purchased by now is disposable gowns and head covers. They are cheap and should be part of our isolation protocols
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lowdown3 View Post
                            Anyone heard of this "Virkon disinfectant powder", other than internet forum scuttlebutt?
                            I havent.. give us the lowdown ,, lowdown

                            I just went and checked it out... Great find LD THANKS!!

                            found it here http://www.qcsupply.com/340340-virko...infectant.html

                            I havent shopped around so I have no idea if the price is good..chances are items like this will be in short supply if we wait until its needed..
                            Last edited by justanothergunnut; 08-04-2014, 09:46 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Nut....your talking positive pressure rooms. A basic fan with filter box can be made. Plastic off all doors windows..small "burp " valve aka flap in the window will force "used " air out. I built one several years back. Granted don't stand next to the flap LOL ....also negative pressure sets can work but positive pressure was the easiest to use /make. I stayed in mine for 6-8 hours till beer ran out ....got yo use my home made toilet LOL wife tested for leaks via a strong incense stick....no smell got in.
                              Ymmv. On mobile so sorry I'm not to detailed
                              Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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