BDU's and camo patterns. T&E, etc, lots of pics.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Ok, anyone interested in seeing some experimenting with the new A-TACS pattern?

Yep, I am! I'm an old school BDU woodland myself but i do like seeing the other stuff everyone has done and tested.

[Grand58742]

Ok, anyone interested in seeing some experimenting with the new A-TACS pattern?

I'm curious enough to see how well it performs outside of the standard photo shoots by the company. The file photos show it generally in areas where it performs fairly well. But to me, it looks like the color pattern wouldn't lend itself to blending in well in woodland/vegetation areas. But desert and semi-arid and possibly even urban it looks promising.

But even on their website, they still fall under the same fallacy of "universal camo." There is NO such thing as a universal camouflage. There are those that perform awesome in some environments, but not as well in others. Each and every one of their photos on the web page has it in a desert, semi-arid or destroyed urban environment. There are no pictures showing what it is like in a wooded and or green vegetation environment. However, unlike the ACU, it actually does seem to perform well in the environments they took the photos in.

But yes, I would like to see it in the same type of tests you did before.

[Hawkeye]

I have seen photos of it being worn in a woodland environment. I was surprised, in that it appeared to do far better than I suspected. I'm mulling the idea over. Rumor is, that they plan to come out with a more woodland oriented version. If I can find out more on that, and it is indeed true, that may make things much more interesting. Let me give this some thought and we'll see.

[Grand58742]

From their website

[quote]. A-TACS

[Hawkeye]

Just wanted to give a little update here. I think at this point, I can safely say that of the current BDU's and camo patterns that are on the market (that are in my range of affordability), the Tru-Spec Pro-G's in their Digital Woodland are my #1 choice. There are a couple of reasons that these are my current favorite, but, before I hit those, there is something I wanted tomake note of. In the past, I have had less than good results with Tru-Spec apparel. I've ran into issues ranging from poor construction quality, to weird sizing issues and serious fading issues. I had all but sworn off Tru-Spec. Then, after I had decided to really start seriously evaluating some different BDU's, to find the best that I could for my purpouses and in my realm of affordability, along comes the Pro-G line. I was very close to settling on Propper's as my BDU of choice. They were in my price range, had good material and construction, and the sizing was right. The biggest issue I had, and honestly the only issue I have with them still, is the design. I really dont like the extensive use of velcro in place of buttons on them. As I said though, in my ongoing search of BDU's, I wanted to make sure I hadnt overlooked anything that might be a possible viable option. I spotted the Tru-Specs and noticed that these particular ones were under a new line, and there appeared to be some changes to them over previous offerings. So, after reading some posts around the net, and seeing some favorable comments about Tru-Spec in general, it appeared that they might had possibly upped their game. I decided to go ahead and give them a chance, and ordered a set of the Pro-G's in their Digital Woodland.
Now, if you've watched the video's I've put up in this thread, you'll remember that my favorite design, is the Marine current issue BDU's. Absolutely brilliant in my opinion. Thats part of what attracted me to the Pro-G's. They seemed to very closely follow the Marine BDU with a few minor differences. When I got them in, I was pleseantly surprised. Not only was the construction far better than what I had experience with Tru-Spec in the past, but the sizing was spot on as well. I was very excited about these, but still cautious. Some initial use showed them to be holding up well from both a construction standpoint as well as a fading standpoint. Concerned that it may just be a fluke, I orderd another set a couple of months later. Same deal. Everything was good to go. So, I decided to make absolutely sure and wait a number of months, and keep using the ones I had, and let some time pass before ordering some more, just to see if things stayed consistent. I recently did that, and I am happy to say that the most recent ones I got, are as good if not better than the earlier ones. I even find myself liking the color pallet of these slightly better than the actual Marine issue ones, as the coyote brown is a bit more prominent, as is the small tan areas. To me, it really gives a great amount of depth, even more so than the MARPAT. The 65/35 Poly/Cotton material they use is holding up very well, and seems to not only be a fairly durable material, but is also resisting fading as good as I have ever seen. I just about cant tell the different between the ones I've worn and washed many times, over the new ones I recently got in. The biggest difference in them is the feel of the material. They are little "stiff" when new, but soften up pretty nicely with some washing and wearing.
There are only 4 things that would make these even better to/for me. First, I'd like to see the old style waist adjustment tabs swapped out for elastic in the waistband like the Marine BDU's. Second, I'd like to see the knee reinforcment area's lowered a bit, so that it covers the knee more when bending and such and the pants legs naturally rise up some. Third, I'd like to see the addition of a 50/50 NYCO material option as a summer weight BDU. Fourth, I'd like to see them offered in a solid Coyote color like their TRU line is.
Other than those 4 wishes, these are about as perfect for me as I can find right now. If they were to do that, and maybe add Multicam as an option along with their current Digital Woodland and Digital Desert options, and keep the price points where they are, I think Tru-Spec could seriously eat up some market. One last thing. I know some of you are bothered by the fact that many companies items, such as Propper, have that Made in China label on them. As I stated above, I like to buy US made stuff when I can and really prefer it, but as long as its a good product, I dont have too big of a problem with the China label. If it really matters to you more than that, the Tru-Spec Pro-G's are assembled in Honduras with US made materials.

[Rmplstlskn]

Thanks for the update... Next round I may look into those, or for the wife...

So far, after the sewing mod to get the sleeve openings right on the Propper, I have bee pleased with the Battle-Rip ones I have, thanks to your feedback...

Rmpl

[Spock]

so...what do you think of tiger stripe?

[Hawkeye]

Great.....except too much black, and its oriented the wrong direction pattern wise..... Many are though.

[Klayton]

Great.....except too much black, and its oriented the wrong direction pattern wise..... Many are though.

I thought this too at first, but than I started those old synapses a firing, perhaps the direction is not wrong, if you think that the time you need the camo the most you will be laying on your belly acting like a bush?

:)

[Spock]

Great.....except too much black, and its oriented the wrong direction pattern wise..... Many are though.

i ask because I fell into 3 full sets of pants and shirts REALLY cheap recently.

[Grand58742]

Great.....except too much black, and its oriented the wrong direction pattern wise..... Many are though.

Fairly effective at night. In the daytime, it depends greatly on environment. Deep, darker woods it isn't too bad. Lighter areas? Not as good as others

[Hawkeye]

i ask because I fell into 3 full sets of pants and shirts REALLY cheap recently.

I find that things like that significantly increase their effectiveness. ;)

[Spock]

I find that things like that significantly increase their effectiveness. ;)

yeah I like the marine woodland marpat but for what a shirt costs i got 3 tops 3 bottoms and a boonie to go with them.

not my go to cammo but good outdoor wear for less than what a pair of pants costs at walmart.

[Hawkeye]

yeah I like the marine woodland marpat but for what a shirt costs i got 3 tops 3 bottoms and a boonie to go with them.

not my go to cammo but good outdoor wear for less than what a pair of pants costs at walmart.

Having options other than your go to stuff, is always a good thing. There are many uses for an alternate or two....

[protus]

Having options other than your go to stuff, is always a good thing. There are many uses for an alternate or two....

reason i never toss out even older hunting camo.
I kinda dig the "safriflauge" i have made by rothco iirc. I just dyed it with some tan, to darken up the light spots and honestly think its pretty decent. Multicam colors with a rhodisian pattern.
But didgi woodland is my favorite.