"The basics" have been lost in combat

[Guest]

Ever get tired of tactical threads. I'm on another board where these "tactical threads" usually devolve to the point where most participants are resolved to holing up in a bunker with a 1000 yard clearing around them, awake 24/7, killing anything that moves outside. I do agree that there may be a time frame of up to a year or more where the wheels have fallen off society and it's very dangerous because people are starving to death and desperate. I get that, and agree with taking basic self defense measures to ensure survival. I just get to the point in those threads where I start becoming skeptical of peoples combat talk because it starts conflicting with the reality of what needs to be done daily to sustain life.

I suspect reality is that you will still have to engage in the OUTDOORS, very time consuming, difficult, daily chores that support life. This is especially true in a grid down situation where fuel supplies have been affected or even in a depression situation where you simply can

[Grand58742]

Outstanding post. Certainly one that bears reading since it is not far off the mark.

[1Admin]

Great post.

But don't kid yourself, many of us that think we are "ready" for fighting never train, never train realistically, never train where WE are the ones behind the power curve, etc.

Too often we prepare for a PRO-active fight when we will probably be involved in a RE-active fight.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Balance in all things
There is no job in the Military that is unimportant and those gruntwork jobs are daily whereas the coolios are not. I've said it before Shooters are tacticool but LOGISTICS rule. I wouldnt want a bunch of specops with no additional talents around me in the suck.
There are more posting devoted to skills than tactics here on S&P. The unfortunate side is there is an equal amount of politics and .Gov whining/hating which has little use.
I also agree with 1Admin on many not being ready even though they think they are.
Ownership does not equate skill: You can buy more, better and faster than me but you are not more ready
Being a shape isnt being a shape: which relates to all aspects of survival and life in general
You cant Buy your way out of the issue: New age Prepper mentality, that will be my supply chain, i saw many on that NatGeo show who will leave some real nice stuff around. Take H-town pole dancer, she left a trail of tears from her backpack strung all over on her "bug out hike". More stuff came off that pack than falls out of a bomber on a straif.
and Dedication isnt secondary: You talk alot but dont show up to training OR dont improve when you do then are not being real and you will be called out on it or dropped. Pretenders will be eaten first

[protus]

it's easy to pull a trigger ,, its harder to have the strength and will to do what needs to be done prior...
most folks havent lugged around that 10lb railed out AR for more than a few range days let alone 3-5 hiours walking through the woods patrol style,,with the gear to go with it....

think of it this way how many people you think actually hike,,and i mean more than 5 miles with their so called 100lb BOB's......


good post and very good points

[xdpatriot]

I agree also. You've got to be squared away logistically first and foremost. Your families food, water, meds, etc. are the most important in my opinion. However, if you don't have basic training or at least some idea of how to protect your property, I think you're asking for trouble. Knowledge is power in EVERY aspect of being prepared. Including self defense. I will say this also. If you've never had a gun pointed at you and the other person has the intent of killing you, you had better sit down and think about it long and hard. It's difficult to prepare for the flood of emotions that come after the fact. Mental preparation is important as well in my opinion.

[JUSTIFIED]

I agree also. You've got to be squared away logistically first and foremost. Your families food, water, meds, etc. are the most important in my opinion. However, if you don't have basic training or at least some idea of how to protect your property, I think you're asking for trouble. Knowledge is power in EVERY aspect of being prepared. Including self defense. I will say this also. If you've never had a gun pointed at you and the other person has the intent of killing you, you had better sit down and think about it long and hard. It's difficult to prepare for the flood of emotions that come after the fact. Mental preparation is important as well in my opinion.

I imagine that one is very important...dealing with post shooting emotions. It's one thing to target shoot or shoot an animal...or a corrupt politician...but shooting a human and either injuring or killing them is another. Other than past experience what prepares one mentally and emotionally for the worst case scenario of having to shoot someone?

[xdpatriot]

I wish I knew. Like you said, training is one thing. It's a whole different ball of wax when someones pointing a gun at you. I really don't know what to say on that. I don't know how a person prepares.

[JUSTIFIED]

I wish I knew. Like you said, training is one thing. It's a whole different ball of wax when someones pointing a gun at you. I really don't know what to say on that. I don't know how a person prepares.

There are some here who have been in that situation. Perhaps they would be willing to chime in...

[WILL]

There are some here who have been in that situation. Perhaps they would be willing to chime in...

I have, more than once. This thread isn't about becoming a better combatant. It's about the reality that survival in TEOTWAWKI probably won't entail us wearing our battle rattle and being tactical near as much as many think it will. Most of your time will be filled up with the day to day chores that sustain life.

[JUSTIFIED]

I have, more than once. This thread isn't about becoming a better combatant. It's about the reality that survival in TEOTWAWKI probably won't entail us wearing our battle rattle and being tactical near as much as many think it will. Most of your time will be filled up with the day to day chores that sustain life.

I imagine you're right Will but, depending on how bad things get, some folks/neighbors will do things you wouldn't think possible so though it may not be likely it is possible and therefore somewhat of a concern for those of us who haven't had to pull the trigger. It's not a top priority but I do want to be prepared for this type of thing as much as possible. I would be completely content if things got bad and folks left us alone to just take care of ourselves.

[xdpatriot]

I have, more than once. This thread isn't about becoming a better combatant. It's about the reality that survival in TEOTWAWKI probably won't entail us wearing our battle rattle and being tactical near as much as many think it will. Most of your time will be filled up with the day to day chores that sustain life.

I think Will also makes a great point. Day to day chores aren't gonna be accomplished with 70 pounds of gear on. I do think a lot of people are caught up in the "tacticool" elements of things. I believe that's why there is so much zombie stuff flying around. We all need to make sure we have our logistics in order. They tried to make a show in 'the best defense'. They didn't cover enough topics that were practical in my opinion. Water and food should be on the top of our lists.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

I think Will also makes a great point. Day to day chores aren't gonna be accomplished with 70 pounds of gear on. I do think a lot of people are caught up in the "tacticool" elements of things. I believe that's why there is so much zombie stuff flying around. We all need to make sure we have our logistics in order. They tried to make a show in 'the best defense'. They didn't cover enough topics that were practical in my opinion. Water and food should be on the top of our lists.

I'm trying to remember all the best defense episodes,kinda hard with many seasons but they made one on solar cooking, field dentistry, solar pasterurization of water, bugout bags. I thought that was pretty good for a gun/knife self defense tv show to tackle and reconize the need above just ownership and combat training. What all did you see?

[JUSTIFIED]

I think Will also makes a great point. Day to day chores aren't gonna be accomplished with 70 pounds of gear on. I do think a lot of people are caught up in the "tacticool" elements of things. I believe that's why there is so much zombie stuff flying around. We all need to make sure we have our logistics in order. They tried to make a show in 'the best defense'. They didn't cover enough topics that were practical in my opinion. Water and food should be on the top of our lists.

I think it will just depend on how bad things get as to where opsec is placed in our survival priorities.

[becky3086]

I agree with Will, and I think who you pick as friends is going to be a lot more important than the enemies that come. People think they are prepared and can do anything but we rely on other people a whole lot and we'll need help with whatever we do.