US Marines choose 1911...

[Guest]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/28/marines-pay-22m-to-go-back-to-their-old-guns-colt-45-caliber-pistols/

Good for the Marines. I never understood why we left the 1911.

[jimmycthemd]

LOVE to see the armed forces getting back to the 1911....as well as an American-made gun. I've had a springfield 1911 for 16 years, bone stock except for the sights, and has worked flawless the whole time.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

We left because we were supposed to be using 9mm as a part of NATO and in an all out war we are supposed to be able to supply one another which still happens just as the Canadian sniper who used American 50cal ammo because they had run out. They also left for a design that was safer to carry for untrained troops because between them and the scared administrators the majority of the military does not carry 1911s cocked n locked but instead in condition 3 with no round in the chamber and they wanted a handgun that had the round in the chamber and didnt require 2 hands to engage which still didnt happen in the majority of the units because of scared leadership. Another reason was reliabilty in harsh conditions. Like'em or not thems the reasons.
I'm not a fan of this move but we will see and time will tell as many other highly touted handguns in all calibers have fallen hard after short times in SpecOps. The reason for sand camo eludes me as they will fight elsewhere. They could do worse but they coulda done better, nostalgia and fanfare wins out sometimes instead of having true world trials. I pray these things run for their sake and they are allowed to carry them as designed.

[rice paddy daddy]

And not just ANY 1911, but gen-u-ine Colt.:D

[WiseOwl]

EAT THAT NATO!!!

[Tackleberry]

Well, people keep trying to come up with a replacement for the 45ACP and I do not think it is possible. It's been tested in battle time and again and it has proven itself superior to every other handgun cartridge. BTW, I think the 1911 is a prettier than Germany's P08. In fact, I have never understood the fascination with the Luger.

[Irish-Tech]

7 rounds versus 15. yeah the power is better but lets face it it will be double or triple tap for everyone anyways.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

7 rounds versus 15. yeah the power is better but lets face it it will be double or triple tap for everyone anyways.

ohhh a realistic statement, mm tsk tsk wont earn you any friends with the story tellers of the raw untethered power of the 45 where if you shot Chuck Norris while he was holding a cape buffaloe it would cause him to do a triple back flip and cook the poor bovine to a medium rare LOL. I myself am just waiting on a steel popper to fold in half one day at the range from the unbridled power :)

[MustangGal]

While I <3 my Colt (more than any woman should love a gun), I wonder at the loss of volume.

I had always been told that the object of war was to disable, rather than kill, because it took more people to tend to the wounded. ie, the wounded man couldn't retreat by himself, at least one or two of his buddies would have to help him. If they are tied up helping the wounded, they aren't throwing bullets in your direction.

I love that they are going with an American made weapon.

[rice paddy daddy]

7 rounds vs 14 rounds? I think that's why detachable magazines were invented.

[Spock]

good for the Marines? more like horrific for the marines. the guns are junk. none, not one of the test sample pistols were able to complete the entire test because by the 1/2 way mark 40% of them had destroyed themselves with cracked frames and slides. I just wonder who Colt paid off.

http://soldiersystems.net/2012/07/20...ing-colt-guns/

[WILL]

Yikes Spock. Well, if nothing else, the 1911 will be improved on until it performs reliably, just like the M9 was. Remember the cracking lock lugs and magazine issues they had....

http://shootersjournal.net/m9-review-25-years-with-the-beretta-92/

Same with the M-16. A bit of service time will sort it out. I do like that they went with a .45 since were forced to use ball ammo by Nato.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

good for the Marines? more like horrific for the marines. the guns are junk. none, not one of the test sample pistols were able to complete the entire test because by the 1/2 way mark 40% of them had destroyed themselves with cracked frames and slides. I just wonder who Colt paid off.http://soldiersystems.net/2012/07/20...ing-colt-guns/

nostalgia and fanfare wins out sometimes instead of having true world trials.

LOL thats what i was trying to say but no one wants to listen because it's a 100yr old Colt 1911 oohh ahhhh ooooh
At least the Beretta made it thru the trials and didnt have issues till pressed into service later on this system doesnt even meet the requirements to begin with but hey just show them the brand name that'll stop'em. They have had 100 yrs to make any changes they needed to. Change?!? The 1911 is the most changed pistol in the history of man, move on to what works and quit hanging in a time warp dream. There are soo many good systems out there even if you want American made, even if you want the 45, that will work no matter the conditions and most hold more than a few rounds and have better, more reliable magazines especially in the sand and will feed whatever kind of ammo you put into it.
I carried the 1911 for 11yrs and i liked the gun but it has issues even with all the work we put into them. You have to make so many up front mods to even make them reliable that you have to question why, when i can get another design out of the box, never touch it and run 300k thru it and replaced a mag catch once at around 125K and thats all thats ever been done. The 1911 WAS great but now, not so much.

[Spock]

Yikes Spock. Well, if nothing else, the 1911 will be improved on until it performs reliably, just like the M9 was. Remember the cracking lock lugs and magazine issues they had....

http://shootersjournal.net/m9-review-25-years-with-the-beretta-92/

Same with the M-16. A bit of service time will sort it out. I do like that they went with a .45 since were forced to use ball ammo by Nato.

well its been 101 years since the 1911 was adopted when do you think they will get the kinks worked out?

[rice paddy daddy]

good for the Marines? more like horrific for the marines. the guns are junk. none, not one of the test sample pistols were able to complete the entire test because by the 1/2 way mark 40% of them had destroyed themselves with cracked frames and slides. I just wonder who Colt paid off.

http://soldiersystems.net/2012/07/20...ing-colt-guns/

Incomplete data. No listing of the testing protocol. What pressure was the test ammo loaded to? What conditions were these pistols fired under?
Totally unscientfic sample pictures (data).