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    As promised, here is a simple lesson on how to store ammo long term.

    Materials needed: Ammo can, ammo, small paper craft bag, silica gel (flower drying art type), Scotch tape or staples, needle or pin, spoon, towel, paint, duct/masking tape or labels or stencil kit, marker, general household cleaner and cleaning rag or cleaning wipes, newspaper or painting drop cloth.





    1. Prepping your can. A lot of times one can get the cans from online vendors and sometimes they come in pretty bad shape, i.e. rusting or needing cleaning from built up dirt. While most of the time the interior is clean, it never hurts to take it outside and knock off the loose dirt and get it prepared for storage. Here's an example of a dirty can:



    Inspect the outside and inside of the can itself. Ensure there aren’t any holes or areas that have rusted through. Inspect the lid and rubber gasket. Make sure the rubber hasn’t hardened and will allow a good seal. Mate the two up and ensure the pins that hold the lid on are not twisted and will allow free movement of the lid back and forth. If you really get serious about it, you can put about an inch of water I the bottom of the can, seal it up and turn it over. If it doesn’t leak (which it shouldn’t) you will be good to go. I don’t necessarily recommend this, but it’s something you can do to make sure the seal is good. Allow to dry thoroughly if you do this

    Cleaning the interior and exterior of the can is generally done with general purpose household cleaner and a rag. You can also use the premade cleaning wipes. Pay particular attention to the rubber gasket on the lid being clean. A little dirt isn’t a huge deal, but a lot of it will prevent a good seal from happening and allow additional moisture into the can. Wipe off all excess dirt and debris and allow to dry.

    If you have major rust spots, it’s highly recommended you paint over the area after cleaning. It also doesn’t hurt to go ahead and take a wire brush and knock off the large portions of affected areas. Paint as necessary/needed. Color doesn’t matter unless you really want to match colors with the original. I tend to stick to whatever rattle can of paint I happen to have around. Just enough to cover the affected area and allow to dry. Additionally, I will paint over the old markings on the outside of the can, caliber and lot number info especially if the ammo is different from what I’m storing. Neatness doesn’t really count for a lot since they are going into storage, but your preference on this. Paint and allow to dry.

    2. Prepping your desiccant packs. Instead of spending money buying desiccant packs from online vendors at a minimum of $3.50 per pack, I’ve learned to make my own. Also, some people like to reuse the ones that come in electronics or other packages, but I tend not to trust them since I have no idea how old they are and how long they have been exposed to humidity and moisture. Call me untrusting, but I have no idea if they have been sitting in a warehouse for several months in Florida or Texas, so I make my own. For the homemade desiccant bags, I use the small paper craft bags and silica gel that’s used to dry flowers.

    The bags can be bought at any number of craft type stores like Michaels or Hobby Lobby and general come 25 to a pack. Take one bag and place on top of a folded towel. Use the pin or needle to poke about fifteen holes or more all the way through the bag at random spots. Make sure the bag doesn’t tear during this process. This allows air to get into the bag and clean the unwanted moisture out.





    The silica gel is generally marked as the flower drying type that works perfectly fine for what you are using it for. A 1.5 pound bag will last you a long time. I use the bead type myself since it prevents the silica from escaping from the bag especially after you put the pin holes in the bag. Use about two or three spoonful’s for each bag. After putting in the silica, seal the top of the bag with staples or with Scotch tape. Use enough to prevent the bag from coming open and the silica spilling out. I’ve found the staples to be easier to use rather than the tape, but it comes down to personal preference.





    Generally, one bag is all that is needed per can, but those in more hot and humid environments might put two in just in case. You can reuse the silica packets unless exposed to humidity for long periods of time or when they get wet. In the particular brand I use, you can reheat the crystals to take the moisture out. Plus, the blue ones are the indicators of when to change it out. If they turn pink, they have gotten all the moisture they can handle. Reuse as directed on the package or discard.


    3. Prepping your ammo. It’s a good idea to inspect your ammo both prior to storage as well as prior to use. Even factory loads can get serious dents and dings in the cases, rounds seated too far in the case, loose rounds, etc. It might take a while to check all them out, but it’s worth the extra effort. I especially recommend this with reloads even from reputable dealers. Generally factory loaded ammunition is good to go, but never hurts to check.

    Additionally, check the lot numbers on the boxes to ensure the lots are the same prior to storage. It is not recommended to mix lots in bulk packing unless the original packaging is used. Make sure you keep at least one copy of the lot number from the box to check in case of recalls. The lot number is circled in red here:



    But will vary by manufacturer. Once everything has been inspected, you can remove the packaging and the interior plastic holders and dump the ammo into the can. Once completed, take one desiccant pack and add to the top as well as the copy of the lot number. I generally cut off the lot number, manufacturer info and caliber and leave on top with the pack. Seal can and shake slightly to get the ammo settled.





    Marking your cans. Some folks like to stencil in the caliber on the can for easy identification. Others like to use shipping type labels or you can use masking/duct tape. I use masking tape since it’s easier to remove and not as messy as duct tape in the long run. Your choice on how to mark it, but I tend to include the following information as a minimum: manufacturer, caliber, grain weight, round type (FMJ, JHP, etc) and month/year packed. So for today’s pictorial, the label will be “Prvi Partizan, .45 ACP, 230 grain FMJ, June 2012.” I used to include the lot numbers, but have since put them inside the can in case the labels get damaged for some reason. Never hurts for two places though.




    Ammo should be stored in a cool dry spot and not subjected to rapid heat changes or in direct sunlight. A basement or cellar is ideal. I personally wouldn’t stack over five cans high myself as the stack can become unstable and fall over. And with larger rounds, you are talking pretty good weight coming down on your foot or maybe a child. Also, it’s good to get the can off the concrete by using a wood slat. An old slat from a wood pallet works ideal for getting it off the ground. Provided these are ideal conditions and ammo shoots just fine after being stored in non-climate controlled places and in direct sunlight. But erring on the side of caution isn’t a bad thing.

    So now you have your ammo stored in a moisture controlled environment. Ideally, you wouldn’t need to check it until use and it’s not a good idea to open and close them repeatedly. If you are rotating through your ammo, pick one can and use that up before opening a new can. Repeatedly exposing the ammo to the air outside the can will lessen the life of the desiccant packs and potentially cause corrosion with the rounds themselves.

    Additionally, this is the same process I used when I stored my ammo and headed overseas. After five years, the ammo was perfectly fine and no different than the day I packed it.
    Last edited by Grand58742; 06-24-2012, 11:06 PM.
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    General ideas of numbers that can be stored. I tend to like round numbers, 500, 1000, etc when buying bulk ammo so my storage requirements tend to stick close to those numbers except in my SHTF back up stash of specialty ammo, hunting rounds, etc. Typically I can get the following numbers into the types indicated. This isn’t an inclusive list and you can fit more or less, but weight becomes a factor on the upper end and these numbers are “comfortable.” I mean, a thousand rounds of .45 ACP is pretty hefty, but your mileage may vary. These are only the maximum numbers I personally tend to pack and your mileage may vary:

    Small can (7.62 type): 5,000 rounds .22 LR, 1000 9x19mm, (might be able to get 1000 .40 S&W into a can although I’ve never tried), 500 .45 ACP, 500.223/5.56, 400 7.62x39mm, 300 loose 7.62x51mm

    Large can (5.56 or .50 cal type): 1000 5.56/.223 and .45 ACP, you can barely cram 1000 7.62x39mm into one of the larger cans, but you have to pack it right, 800 7.62x51mm, any number of lower calibers can be “overloaded” into the larger cans. Again, for accounting purposes, I tend to stick with the even numbers since it’s easy to count quickly and without having to open the cans up.

    Hope this helps folks get ammo stored up for long term. Also, Karen had some ideas on making the desiccant bags from cloth, so I'm hoping she'll chime in with some advice in that direction.
    Last edited by Grand58742; 06-24-2012, 10:49 PM.
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    • #3
      I like your home made packs, Grand- consider the idea stolen!

      Also, If you have access to a vacuum sealer (Food-Saver or other) and the large bags, you can use them to hold the rounds, toss in your dessicant pack and seal it up before putting them in the can- another layer of protection. I use my vacuum sealer for as many LTS projects as possible. I also just ordered a larger vacuum unit with huge bags for storing clothes and bulky linens and such, it will allow me to store 3-4 times as much in the same space as before. I have several uh, different ideas for it as well.
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      • #4
        Shoot, steal away, that's why I posted it up. For $10 you can make 25 bags and most certainly have a good amount of the desiccant around for more later. I'm not sure just how far the bag will go, but 1.5 pounds will easily (probably) make at least 50. Maybe even more. So for around $15 (two packs of bags + desiccant) you can make what you would end up paying at least $100 for on the market. And it takes less than a minute per bag.

        Just a cheaper (and safer IMHO) alternative to reusing packs which may or may not be effective because they have been sitting in a non-climate controlled coastal warehouse for eight months in the heat and humidity.
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        • #5
          Sweet. Thanks for the idea Grand. I will definitely be trying and sharing!
          You know what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like this?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by WiseOwl View Post
            Sweet. Thanks for the idea Grand. I will definitely be trying and sharing!
            Not sure where you can buy Multicam ninja paper bags though...lucky enough for you, the basic brown blends in well enough in the woods. :D
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            • #7
              Good stuff, now to get #1 son to bring in supplies...
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              • #8
                Great tip....did a quick search and buying the silica gel at hobbylobby is about $6 for 1.5 lbs....vs...2 lbs for $36 at silicagelpackets.com.

                even if you throw in your time you should still come out ahead on this...very worth it to give your ammo that added protection. IMO
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Matt In Oklahoma View Post
                  Good stuff, now to get #1 son to bring in supplies...
                  Helps when you know folks doesn't it? :D
                  Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Grand58742 View Post
                    Not sure where you can buy Multicam ninja paper bags though...lucky enough for you, the basic brown blends in well enough in the woods. :D

                    I could use some of my camo face paint and some crayons and make a mean Digi Design.... lol

                    I told a buddy about this today and he said it was a Homer Simpson forehead slapping moment!
                    You know what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like this?

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                    • #11
                      the 30s will hold 500 rounds of 7.62x39 FYI
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                      • #12
                        Yeah, I made a bunch of cloth bags for the desiccant. I took two pieces of thin cotton fabric (muslin works well) and layered them together, then stitched lines accross and down to make a grid. Then cut the bags apart in such a way as to leave the tops of the bags open. I made over 200 bags in about an hour.
                        Next the bags will be turned right side out to leave the seam allowances on the inside of the bags. They will be filled with sillica and sewn shut.
                        I made over 200 of these bags so I can share them with some friends. It only took about an hour to do the sewing.
                        If you do this, be sure to use a fairly small stitch so the sillica doesn't work it's way out thru the seams.

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                        • #13
                          Karen, any chance you can post a pic?
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                          • #14
                            I don't have a camera, but I'll show them to Matt on Sunday so he can post the pics.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by qrprat77 View Post
                              Karen, any chance you can post a pic?
                              On behalf of Karen, pics and movies!






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