Your shtf go to rifle

[Hawkeye]

and you can call me what you wish but I have watched more friends die than have died in Afganistan or the Persian Gulf combined! Young man, watch whre you step before you know who you're talking too!

So you've watched over 5000+ friends die? Wow. You have a LOT of friends.

Young man? Watch where I step? Or what........? I know who I'm talking to. I'm talking to someone who doesnt know what he's talking about when it comes to the useful engagement range of a AK series weapon. You could be a senior engineer with NASA, but you'd still be wrong about an AK series weapon not being good for 200-250 yard use. Its not an insult, just a factual correction. Threaten me all you want if it makes you feel better. Doesnt change the truth.

[Hawkeye]

You wouldn't understand, you think 1k killed is an atrosity. I watched that many die in a week! Don't even pretend to compare yourself to me weekend warrior!

OK, where exactly is this coming from? Weekend warrior? Who's comparing themselves to you?

[Spock]

they both work at 250 yards. and at 300. and at 320. the steel silhouette at the 320 yard mark at the Volushia County Gun and Hunt Club says so....infront of 10 AR-15 shooters. 124 grn brown bear HP, Arsenal SGl-21, iron sights, prone position, no use of the sling, rear sight set to battle position. I practice between 3-300 yards.

just because some hadji sucks with his doesn't mean the rifle sucks. the shooter and training are way more important than what brand or platform or caliber or optic.

btw this isn't a debate thread its a show and tell thread. keep the attitudes in check.

[1Admin]

Folks, don't come in here and crap all over the folks VOLUNTEERING their time to moderate the boards. Threatening a mod, calling another one a "weekend warrior", come on, grow the flip up! That absolutely will not be tolerated.

Their is a reason Law 8 came after Law 7...

[Pop_45]

they both work at 250 yards. and at 300. and at 320. the steel silhouette at the 320 yard mark at the Volushia County Gun and Hunt Club says so....infront of 10 AR-15 shooters. 124 grn brown bear HP, Arsenal SGl-21, iron sights, prone position, no use of the sling, rear sight set to battle position. I practice between 3-300 yards.

just because some hadji sucks with his doesn't mean the rifle sucks. the shooter and training are way more important than what brand or platform or caliber or optic.

btw this isn't a debate thread its a show and tell thread. keep the attitudes in check.

Yep, training trumps platform, every time.

[golfroot]

I'm partial to the AR10 platform. Long range, SHTF, and KISS.


If I'm forced to grab one and go, it'll most likely be this one. TA11E, Gisselle 2 stage, Surefire with a 600 lumen **** CREE head.



Carried discretely in this. The pockets on the side allow me to carry 8 25 round magazines.

[Klayton]

OK not sure why we have a new member acting as such, but any hoot...

Just wanted to add my 2 copper pieces here: the recent series of Top Shot used a modern day AK in I believe last weeks competition, and if my old gray matter serves me, were they not actively engaging 75 yard targets AFTER they ran through a timed obstacle course? I could be wrong, but it looked like every one of them were doing pretty darn good shooting with that AK platform...

:) :)

Long Live the Republic My Friends!!

[Grand58742]

I'm partial to the AR10 platform. Long range, SHTF, and KISS.

Very nice looking collection you have there Golf!

Like the idea about the discrete carry bag as well. Nice way to hide in plain sight.

[1Admin]

Love that ACOG Golfroot.

What power is it? It looks bigger than my 339

[Patriot Prepper]

I would not discount an AR platform weapon chambered in .308 Win/7.62 Nato.

Yes, when they first came out there were issues due to being an new design. Today they are perfected. I have operated my RR LAR 8 for about 9 months. Thousands of rounds and only one jam due to operator error. (There are some unqualified strange characters at gun ranges. I would not trust their judgement) I have also shot at least 5 brands of ammo, including the cheap stuff, and the gun does not jam. It is also amazingly accurate. I am able, on good days, to occasionally get 1/4 MOA. (Wish I could do that all the time).

The AR .308 platform is becoming accepted and used by more and more professionals. Why? Because it works. I have my RR LAR 8 set up as a SASS system, originally to shoot 100 to 300 yards. The gun is proving accurate at past 500 yards and can almost replace my bolt action .308 rifles. I love the .308 round due to its accuracy and its penetrating power. A lot of foot pound of energy for such a small cartridge.

For further distances, I use the .338 Lapua and a .50 BMG (hardly ever shoot it because most ranges do not allow the .50 cal).

For CQB in the 25 - 50 yard range, I would still use an AR 15 because of its low recoil and maneuverability. If I did not have an AR, I would surely take an AK. The AK is proven to work. And like you said, the ammo is CHEAP!!!!

[golfroot]

Love that ACOG Golfroot.

What power is it? It looks bigger than my 339

I love it, too. 3.5x35 The BAC really works for me.

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/produc....php?pid=TA11E

Like the idea about the discrete carry bag as well. Nice way to hide in plain sight.

Thanks. Looks like something Charlie Gray might use. ;)

For CQB in the 25 - 50 yard range, I would still use an AR 15 because of its low recoil and maneuverability. If I did not have an AR, I would surely take an AK. The AK is proven to work. And like you said, the ammo is CHEAP!!!!

Agreed on all points. The reason the 10TCBNF would be my bug out gun over the AR is because you never know what distance you'll need to cover. I figure that I could kill em and cook em at the same time in CQB and still hold minute of man at 500 yards (the farthest I've been able to try since putting it together).

[Rascal]

I would not discount an AR platform weapon chambered in .308 Win/7.62 Nato.

Yes, when they first came out there were issues due to being an new design. Today they are perfected. I have operated my RR LAR 8 for about 9 months. Thousands of rounds and only one jam due to operator error. (There are some unqualified strange characters at gun ranges. I would not trust their judgement) I have also shot at least 5 brands of ammo, including the cheap stuff, and the gun does not jam. It is also amazingly accurate. I am able, on good days, to occasionally get 1/4 MOA. (Wish I could do that all the time).

The AR .308 platform is becoming accepted and used by more and more professionals. Why? Because it works. I have my RR LAR 8 set up as a SASS system, originally to shoot 100 to 300 yards. The gun is proving accurate at past 500 yards and can almost replace my bolt action .308 rifles. I love the .308 round due to its accuracy and its penetrating power. A lot of foot pound of energy for such a small cartridge.

For further distances, I use the .338 Lapua and a .50 BMG (hardly ever shoot it because most ranges do not allow the .50 cal).

For CQB in the 25 - 50 yard range, I would still use an AR 15 because of its low recoil and maneuverability. If I did not have an AR, I would surely take an AK. The AK is proven to work. And like you said, the ammo is CHEAP!!!!

Glad to hear the kinks are getting ironed out. Have the different manufacturers settled on a single magazine design?

Thanks

[1Admin]

I remember years and years ago I drove to a gathering in up north on the way back from some other training. The folks there had a place to shoot a "jungle lane" with shotguns only and they had heard about how I set these up sometimes at classes and asked me to do one.

So I'm running a fairly new fellow through it. He's about 17 or 18 years old, could tell he had not yet had any formal training. He's talking to me as he practically runs through the course not even spotting almost 3/4 of the targets. In the course of the conversation he mentions that his shotgun is his "backup weapon." I reply how yes most these aren't primary weapons in most situations, a rifle is better suited, etc. He goes on to tell me how he's gonna carry his FN AND a 12 gauge shotgun AND a .45 1911 style pistol. Back then he was not in very good shape at all.

I asked him if he ever TRIED to carry two long guns around with him in the woods or in a patrol type situation for an EXTENDED period of time. He of course said no. Most people that have done this sort of thing give up on the idea pretty quick.

But he was adamant that he could and would do it.

"So.... your gonna carry THREE weapons on you, two of them long guns, along with how much ammo for each?"

Couple hundred rds. for each was his reply. By now I feel like just "leveling" with him.

"You know brother, this is NOT going to be like a video game wherein you carry and have instant access to 3-5 different weapon platforms and can't just toggle back and forth between them. Just the little you are carrying now tired you out a bit on this short walk. How do you think it's gonna be with 2 long guns and a pistol, plus a "couple hundred" rounds for each, bug out bag, misc. equipment carrying it over DISTANCE?"

It's great to think we will have all the time access to "change" weapons from an assault rifle to a scoped precision rifle, or a shotgun to an assault rifle, etc. I would caution anyone thinking that way that isn't a 20 year old SEAL or Ranger to actually go out and walk just 5 miles with 2 rifles, an appropriate amount of ammo, bug out gear, etc.

We can THINK we know, or we can KNOW.

[protus]

the reason folks "think" that way is just like Bugout bags. Untill they use it, they dont know. It sounds grand to have all this kit and cool stuff, till after a few miles/hours. especially if they arent in any shape.
i was reading something similar the other day, where a poster said he planned on wearing a shot gun with pistol grip on his back ( like a scabbard i assume) while doing work outside come shtf....of course he was gonna load it stacked 00/slug. Makes ya wonder if the guy has done anything with that gun besides model it in front of the mirror. Some people are justa gonna have figure it out the hard way............;)

[barfife]

I would caution anyone thinking that way that isn't a 20 year old SEAL or Ranger to actually go out and walk just 5 miles with 2 rifles, an appropriate amount of ammo, bug out gear, etc.

We can THINK we know, or we can KNOW.

Amen brother..

First, I am 62 and in much better than average shape and training to improve my condition. My wife got us each a pedometer to encourage us to walk more. It is working. In the last 6 weeks, I have walked/hiked over 240 miles (measured by pedometer) in hilly country. I average about 4 mile per hour currently.

Today was the first time to wear my 29 lb B.O.B. for 5 miles. The 29 lbs includes a glock 17 pistol and a keltec sub2000 rifle in glock 17 format and 200 rds of ammo. Adding the B.O.B. was a butt kicker! The added weight dropped me to 2-3 miles per hour! It was a great reality check. I encourage you folks to give it a trial run. My individual goal for this next month is 150 miles (5 miles per day) with B.O.B. Wish me luck!

It makes sense that you add new skills sets (canning, gardening, etc.) to raise your level of preparedness. Raising your level of physical fitness is equally important in preparedness and it doesn't cost you anything but time and commitment. Go for it.