Doomsday Shelter

[protus]

$12K you could build yourself a pretty righteous shelter. Well I don't know about current metals prices but...

Probably knows nothing about radiation protection, measuring, etc. yet "teaching a class."

guys drives a new land rover. lives in a LARGE new Mcmansion. Wife isnt to much on board till she saw the $$$$$ so now she leaves it all to him.All kinds of toys, flat screen TV in the bunker the whole 9 yards. Still lots of pogue bait for what they call 6 months worth of food.
his school
88 tactical

http://88tactical.com/categories/10-post-bunker-series/courses

3 day course 6K
5 day 12k

lot of speculation on h im since its called "88" and he calls his son a german name ( klaus ) or something like that during the show.
Me..cant say, nor care,, but its what the romur mill is starting.
All the instructors are ex-mil.

[Rmplstlskn]

Speaking of shelter doors... I was very impressed with the shelter and BLAST DOOR the guy from Doomsday Preppers built for himself up in the mountains... It looked like a steel and concrete door 8" to 10" thick. That door makes the Doomsday Shelter builder's door, the one that looked like a robust COMMERCIAL door, seem like a joke...

But as it stands now... I'd take any of them if they were free... LOL!

[All Talk]

Better show than preppers, at least for folks like us, I think. Gave me some things to think about (things I hadn't considered, but were obvious when I saw these boneheads making mistakes).

One: You don't have your "blast door" in line with the entry/ stairs down. a 90-degree (or better yet, 180 degree) dogleg(s) with some firing ports for the defender can do a lot to keep jackholes from shooting your door or placing explosives. Why give them a direct line of fire and yourself no "oversight" capability?

Other item of note, guy who had his generator stolen seemed like kind of a goof, but you have to admit he scored a babe for a wife.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Watched part of it again with my son last night. I have a few questions. Who gets to go refuel/start that little house generator on the topside? Wheres the alternate power source like battery banks, solar? Wont that gen set get too hot in hill country texas in an enclosed hole 2 ft under ground with little to no venilation? Wont the zombies here the gen set? Who gets to pull that well bucket up from 700ft after the gen set goes down? what about heat?
I just got a brand new washing machine box thats 400 gauge milspec cardboard, if you want to come to the MIO school of gotchanism where i'm tacticool I will teach you how to live outta it for 6k for a 5 day course. You get a tacticelness t-shirt (only in black of course) with a badA sabertotthed polar gopher skull patch and a sand colored ballcap, complete with molle loops, to wear when you get back to your house in the green countryside but dont worry badguys arent able to see it if you put an American Flag patch on it. All my stuff is contractor grade!

[Matt In Oklahoma]

But wait theres more:)
If you are the first caller in the next 3.4 minutes you will get a battlehawk that transforms into a ninja throwing star and since it's made in Australia it's gaurenteeeeed to come back to you. This is such a good product that I designed that it's worth at least $600 and a 9month wait because well (A) we dont actually manufacture any here in America anymore and (B) we probably are making them outta a garage somewhere when we are sober enough and not laughing to hard.

Went to Europe twice and saw me lots of castles. They all had one thing in common. At some point they had been beaten, conquered, controlled. Some had been beaten as much as 20 times. if your castle gets beatup 20 times the design sucks. If you castle had it's hardware store grade generator stolen your castle design sucks.

Ya know when i was 15 i helped weld a giant steel conatiner and we put it in the ground.
It was a septic tank and we all know what those are full of

[Bishop]

he admitted on show that the 88 was a bunch of law enforcments training civilians for combat ready, lol @ me all you want, but im still gettin a 2 grand 20ft cisco steele container and buring it with about 7 inches of dirt over it,gravel all around(except door area) sump pump under it with some conduit and electric im good for 10 to 15 yrs without worring about cave in! im all about the budget, but face it, what good is a house that can be shot through, blown away, or burned down!

[Matt In Oklahoma]

he admitted on show that the 88 was a bunch of law enforcments training civilians for combat ready, lol @ me all you want, but im still gettin a 2 grand 20ft cisco steele container and buring it with about 7 inches of dirt over it,gravel all around(except door area) sump pump under it with some conduit and electric im good for 10 to 15 yrs without worring about cave in! im all about the budget, but face it, what good is a house that can be shot through, blown away, or burned down!

You are correct in your point and i apolgize if thats the way you took it.
there is nothing wrong with that if thats what you want but dont tell me and portray on tv like these clowns that I cant get thru it because it cost 1/2 million by shooting and blowing up the wrong things with improperly set charges. Thats the point i'm trying to make. Certanly not that one shouldnt have the best shelter possible. I also dont think that you should blow 1/4 to 1/2 mil on a shelter and then put a $400 gen set protected by plywood in a place where you blew your opsec and have to refuel every 6-8 hrs. Because what good is a bunker if you have to leave several times a day just to breathe, drink or see, no more than that house with all it's weakness.

[WiseOwl]

Matt,

You think you are giving a good deal. Hell, my group we teach folks how to live in a washer and a dryer. Chinese contortionist type of stuff. We charge $150. And you get a hat, tshirt and a windbreaker with a penguin that has no tuxedo on and has dragon wings and eagle feet. Instead of a generator, we have an old kmart kiddie pool and convert our energy from algae.

I know a lot of you folks arent the mcmillionaires like the folks on these shows (I am a hundrednaire) and we all know you just dont throw money at a problem. But damn, I wish one of my buddies had this type of cheese and let me assist him in spending it. I saw that gap as well on the door after they hit it with the explosives. You get some folks hungry enough and they will get in. That guy blowing OPSEC is funny to me, my wife and I were watching this episode again last night and she asked me why he would do that? I said, because he gets to be on TV and promote (which I now know) his super expensive school.

The guy that runs the shelter biz, I commend him for getting in to a niche market and capitalizing.

[thedreamers]

The bad thing about the door is that, that is one attack. What do you do after they come back again an again. Like Matt said the castles were attacked more than once. Your not going to run down an replace it.......

[All Talk]

As i said elsewhere about this door design, this episode did call out something obvious when you see it that might help me or someone else if they were planning to design a defensible shelter of their own.

If I was this bunker selling guy, and my client wanted an entry resitant to shooting open/through and/or the planting of explosives, why have the hatch open to a stairwwell that runs straight to the door?! So i can shoot at your door at my lieisure while you cower, impotent?

The stairs should dogleg, twice, so that the door surface is around 180 degrees from the top hatch LOS. Second, firing loopholes to blow away anyone fiddling around with plastiquer at your door way.



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