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    Do you have at least 3 years of firewood in your sheds right now?

    Going to go ahead and explain the "3 years" lest I get challenged for coming up with an "arbitrary" number -in other words some new person doesn't understand WHY that number.
    You will want to allow at least a year (hopefully more) for your cut, split wood to dry out enough to burn efficiently in your wood stove(s).

    A year's worth ready to do, a year's worth seasoning now and at least another for coverage. This could be something as simple as what I've been experiencing the last couple years- work so damn busy I rarely have time to get caught up on homestead tasks past the "this has to happen now" stuff.

    We are in the South but heat solely with wood. Sometimes it only takes a cord a year for our three woodstoves. I get nervous when the sheds start getting low.

    Just start looking at the "logistics train" of each thing you need to do:

    Example- Want to make sure we don't freeze=
    *Firewood- goal at least 3 years always in the sheds in various states.
    *Passive solar- includes improving insulation in structures as well as situating building for best passive solar usage- south facing windows, flooring to help hold heat, etc.

    Needs:
    (3) Chainsaws of the same type/model. Ideally 1 or 2 will be new, fluids removed and in storage.
    3 dozen chains for same, plenty of fuel mix and oil.
    Spare parts- sprockets, bars, plug, filters for everything, carb, pull string starts, brake, minor things like fuel caps, nuts for bars that WILL get lost from time to time.
    Edited to add- SERVICE (not user) manuals for saws as well as some practical experience working on them. You tube is great for that NOW. Ask at the local saw shop if they had a non working/for parts jacked up model of your same saw and buy it. If nothing else, tinker with it, replacing parts and getting that experience on the saw you don't use.
    Spare stove pipe- you will need to replace this from time to time.
    Rope for seals on wood stoves
    Good selection of cutting axes and files
    Good selection of splitting axes and files
    Wedges
    Peevee (sp?)
    Eye pro, chaps, related safety equipment for cutting
    Files/guides for chainsaws
    Hydraulic log splitter- I was told once I wasn't a "real homesteader" because I said I used a hydraulic log splitter.... by some dunskie that doesn't LIVE this way and doesn't understand the importance of LABOR SAVING DEVICES both now and when SHTF.
    Parts, fluids, filters, etc. for log splitter
    Obviously- fuel for these things, stored properly.
    Hand saws as total worst case backup

    Way to process and transport wood/cut tree as you are working it. You will want to try to "handle" firewood as little as possible. This will cut time down. This could be something like learning to drop trees in a manner that makes cutting easier- i.e, making a "table top" to work on. Or it could be something like this-



    We remove trees with the roots intact, cut the root ball off, cut the top off where the branches go small, then I let the log lay like in the pic. My son cuts on one end, I cut on the other, balancing the log on the bucket, cutting it into stove width pieces are we go. The last piece that is just over bucket width is cut on the ground. This saves back as well as wear and tear cutting into the ground accidentally with the saws. Sometimes the rounds are split right there wherever we pulled the wood (usually at our range property) and this is IMO the most efficient way. Sometimes though we have the splitter at home and we move the rounds via truck the couple miles to the house and split them there as we have time.

    One thing that has helped us is to measure your smallest wood stove box and mark your chainsaw bars with that (maybe slightly smaller). Until you get used to eyeballing the size of your cuts, this will help you get the size of the rounds cut right and not have a bunch of wood that won't fit.

    Finally- fire starting materials-
    Plenty of lighters and Zippos with fluid, etc.

    Once every few years we watch Walmart in the spring for when they will put on clearance the little firestarting blocks. They are usually about $10. a box but we have gotten them on clearance as low as a $1. and never more than $3. buy all they have. They are individually wrapped in plastic inside the box so they store pretty well and light fine after 3-6 years in storage.

    All the "list" of items above came off the top of my head from thinking through what we do regularly with this as well as some of the items we have for 'worst case' (that means no chainsaw and splitter) wood cutting.
    Edited to add more thoughts/rememberings: A couple wheelbarrows are handy to move wood from the sheds to the house(s). These could also be used to move rounds to the splitter, etc. I tried to find ones made of metal, hard to find a quality one any more. The black Lowes ones cracked and broke in a year or two (several of them).

    For fuel planning- I budget a 5 gallon Euro can of gas in storage for each year's wood cutting and splitting. It often times doesn't use that much, but never the less, keep 15 gallons at least for wood cutting in storage.

    For the new folks that don't know, you don't want to try to burn wood that hasn't been seasoned (left to dry) for at least a year or so. It won't burn very well and it will create a LOT more smoke. We recently rotated some wood that was around 5 years old. I checked the view from outside and there was very little visible smoke. Later that day I threw on some wood that was "only" a year old of the same type and you could see the difference coming out of the chimney. Also being as running chainsaws and logsplitters is LOUD... you want a couple years firewood stacked and ready to go so you maybe won't have to have that noise signature for a while during the early times which could be more dangerous than later on. Finally, have some tarps, old billboard vinyl ads are great for this and usually are free or very low cost- to completely cover your wood shed if you are concerned about nuclear issues. Keeping fallout out of your firewood shed may become important. A firewood shed by it's very nature should be somewhat free flowing to air and sunlight, but a nuclear scenario would be one of those times where you would want it completely covered.

    There is much value in THINKING THROUGH each task you will need to perform and then backtracking through the logistics trail of what will be needed for that.​
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  • #2
    Why do you have to store your firewood for a few years?

    Firewood will burn a lot better and produce more heat when it's been seasoned for a few years. One year would be the absolute minimum I would season the wood before using. Ideally 2 or 3 years. I've noticed a GREAT difference in the amount of smoke coming out of our chimneys between using 1 year old wood and 3 or more year old wood.

    Less smoke = less signature. This could be important for security. Unfortunately can't do a helluva lot about the smell of the smoke however.

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    The piece of wood on the left has been seasoned for at least 3 years, possibly slightly more. The piece on the right is fresh. They are roughly the same size.

    Looking at the above two pieces, it's easy to tell which is fresh. Sometimes it's not as easy. Then you want to compare the size of the piece of wood to it's weight. In the two above, there is a lot of difference in weight with the green wood being much heavier.

    You can also knock two pieces of wood together and listen for the sound. It will sound more "dull" if the wood is fresh compared to a sharper sound if it's seasoned well.

    Finally, you can get a moisture meter, but I honestly don't know anyone who does this. Usually if you are using wood regularly you get a feel for it and don't need this. However if you were new and buying some firewood, it might be worth it to test it with the above as well as possibly a meter.
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    • #3
      We got a mix of seasoned and barely seasoned wood. I set aside all of the heavy pieces and use the lighter ones as I know they're drier and will burn more efficiently (and not clog up my chimney with creosote). We have another short cold snap coming, so I sorted firewood today and loaded up the firewood cart. I do use some granular creosote remover every time I have a good fire going because we did burn some of the new wood and I use fatwood sticks for starter.

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      • #4
        ld, a great post with great detail.
        and a huge reminder.

        i was running main saw cutting x marks in stumps to start the burning process. all of a sudden the muffler came off! (3rd time, following me running over saw with tractor) and the bar adjusting screw disappeared with whatever it holds. why this happened at the same time - i don't know.
        i was in a hurry and put saw in barn. this was 2 weeks ago. i haven't bought parts yet.
        thank you.

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        • #5
          We have Stihl 290s. We keep two in constant use and we have two NIB or close to that in storage. The two in regular usage I've been using for over a decade.

          Haven't had any serious issues with either, even after one was accidentally BURIED along with the excavator bucket pushing down on the dirt to firm up the spot.... Cutting and pulling out trees while also answering phone calls on my cell. Pulled a tree out, cut the stump and root ball free, set the saw down, got a phone call. 30 minutes later finished the call, got in the excavator, moved the tree and "filled in" the hole from the stump/roots. And filled in the saw as well... Dug out it, brake was hanging off of it. I got all the dirt out and said "yeah I gotta try it!" and it fired right up and worked.

          Gotta love a Stihl.

          The other day my son was cutting with one of them while I was balancing a log on the bucket. It's easier if you have one person cutting and one in the excavator, saves all the up and down getting in it. He uses the brake a lot when he doesn't need to. I don't know if it was that or what but the brake was off and he was cutting but I could see more smoke than normal. I called for him to shut it off.

          Had him take the bar and chain off, check the oil , etc. Found some light burn marks on the sprocket and a spot on the bar looked burned and a little deformed.

          We have most of those spare parts, but since I wasn't sure what caused it, I figured it would be good to bring in to the shop.

          Then I also ordered more spares :)

          Ebay seems to be a good place for spare parts.
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          • #6
            another endorsement for a 29x... mine is a 291 i don't know the difference in a 291 and a 290
            had dealer order parts i needed yesterday....
            asked about buying another he gave me price.... same dealer had offered me 10% off a few years ago... yesterday, no discount. not a sale going on.... low margin he explained so sadly.
            so, i visited another dealer i hadn't been to in a couple of years. 291 in stock but no discount... i said thank you, and turned to leave. then dealer 2 said in a friendly manner... "no discount, but i could throw in an extra chain. i started to just leave, but, in these crazy times, what is better to have in storage... a few dollars or a chain saw...
            took the deal.

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            • #7
              I believe I paid full boat for both of the Stihls I bought new from in person dealers. They both acted like I called their Mother something when I asked about a cash discount. Might have been a similar "tip" (small item thrown in to make sale) but I don't remember.

              A chain now a days could be $25. or more if a Stihl brand chain, so I'd say you did well.
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              • #8
                Kinda like 9mm vs .45....but I have a Husky and like it...starts every time I need it to. I have cut up some pretty big trees after hurricanes, but that is about it as we don't need wood heat here in deep south (yet). I did buy an Atlas battery powered chainsaw from HF. It has cut 6"-8" trees with no problem...lighter then my husky. Battery lasts about as long as I do. I have two batteries and have a mower that will work with the batteries...quieter, which may be a plus. I can recharge batteries with my solar in grid down, so there is that. I DO NOT feel that it replaces what my husky can do, but for the smaller stuff it does fine and less maintenance....
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                Guns and gear are cool, but bandages stop the bleeding!

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                • #9
                  We have a Husky gas-powered and a Ryobi battery-powered chainsaw; the Husky cuts everything and the Ryobi is good for little stuff. We only have 2 trees so neither of the chainsaws is likely to get much use, and I buy my firewood now that we don't have trees that need to be cut down.

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                  • #10
                    Personally, I think the 3 year rule is a Load of Crap. I use the 10 year Rule. :) I conservatively have about 10 years worth of firewood right now; hence this is the first year I've gotten far behind in processing firewood.

                    My process:

                    - Cut down tree or harvest already downed tree. Cut it into Tractor Grapple sizes (read: large logs) for transport to my firewood processing area.
                    - Use the grapple to buck the trees - for all the good reasons Lowdown mentioned: Saves your back, quick and easy, saves your back, keeps the chain out of the dirt/concrete/stone, saves your back, don't have to fool around trying to move 1000 lbs of tree to cut all the way through - and - saves your back. See Pics.
                    - Throw rounds into tractor bucket or grapple or scoop them up no-hands style; take to splitting and stacking area.
                    - Split the rounds and throw the splits where they'll be stacked
                    - Stack the splits as you go.
                    - Wait ~8-10 years to use the firewood.

                    Pics:

                    Using the tractor/grapple to load some logs onto my trailer. This Hackberry and Black Walnut went to a friend that was just starting in the wood burning lifestyle and needed some wood. I had an excess, so he got it.

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                    This was 2021 load of logs to be processed. Most of it was the remains of the former - by far - largest tree on my property, which came down during a wind storm. :( Most of this is White Oak; this will burn so well several years from now it won't even be funny!

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                    The remains of the White Oak. :(

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                    Pole barn. Left front and center: All Shagbark Hickory. Left rear is mostly Silver Maple with some Hackberry and a bit of Pine center rear.

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                    Bucking example. That's a Stihl MS-362CM with a 24" bar on it buried in a piece of Silver Maple.

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                    More at next post.

                    Thanks for looking!

                    Last edited by FTG-05; 02-18-2023, 06:06 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Woodshed #1; 3 bays ~3 cords each. First bay left is about half full of Sweet or Black Gum. 2nd bay is all Maple. 3rd bay is about 2/3 full and is used for Recreational Fires only. Note the trash cans/barrels. I fill those with splitting slash; they make excellent fire starters. Note NATO gas cans for the splitter. For this year, I'm filling the rest of Bay Home with a mixture of Hackberry (storm downed) and Black Walnut (power company cut down for line clearance). To only process 1-2 cords during firewood processing season is unheard of since I moved here 10 years ago.

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                      Woodshed Forum I built thisSept.-Oct 2016. So it was filled no later than March 2017. I just started using some it this year. Bay #1, closest to the left, is full of Red Oak. Bay #2, middle, is filled with various hardwoods like Hackberry, Ash, Black Walnut and some Poplar. Bay #3, furthest right, is full of Poplar, hence the reason I started using it this year.


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                      Water being squeezed out of a dead standing Silver Maple. If you needed a reason for the Rule of 3 - this is it!

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                      Another back saving use of the tractor/grapple: Load large heavy rounds onto the log splitter so I have don't have to lift or move them by hand:


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                      Scenic shot just for bragging rights!

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                      Thanks for looking!
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                      • #12
                        Very nice!! It seems like you were grouping types of wood together, did that just happen that way or was it planned?
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                        • #13
                          jealous..
                          a couple of nosey questions
                          when you get time, tell me/us about the grapple. does it stay on the loader? i see a cyliner hydraulic lines?
                          my grapple is a dedicated tool... hydraulic... a hassle to change out to the loader. therefore the questions.
                          holding that log straight out like that is impressive. trying similar is part of reason i've warped my grapple and broken brackets...
                          yours is much stouter than mine.

                          i love the barn...
                          in the rear rt corner on rear wall is something? 36x60 or so about 5' off the ground? appears to be mounted outside the wall?

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                          • #14
                            Some overhead: Lowdown3, could you please review post #11 and approve? I need to make some edits for misspellings.

                            Thanks,

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rockriver View Post
                              jealous..
                              a couple of nosey questions
                              when you get time, tell me/us about the grapple. does it stay on the loader? i see a cyliner hydraulic lines?
                              my grapple is a dedicated tool... hydraulic... a hassle to change out to the loader. therefore the questions.
                              holding that log straight out like that is impressive. trying similar is part of reason i've warped my grapple and broken brackets...
                              yours is much stouter than mine.

                              i love the barn...
                              in the rear rt corner on rear wall is something? 36x60 or so about 5' off the ground? appears to be mounted outside the wall?
                              From top to bottom:

                              - Grapple stays on for when I need to manipulate something like logs or brush (most logs). It's my Home firewood processing tool.

                              - Grapple is also hydraulic; and also used to be a MASSIVE PITA to install due to limited hand strength and hand clearances. Fixed it with this tool as recommended by YTer Andrew Camarata: QC-Mate by XBoom Coupler (1/2" & 3/4" Duo-Jaw Set, 12” QC-Mate Clamp) - - Amazon.com

                              - 5x5' deer shooting house - my first one. Built it in my shop, transported, lifted it and then installed in place using my tractor and forks. Here's an example of moving my Pole Barn Field Shooting House:

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                              As it sits today:

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                              Thanks for looking!
                              Last edited by FTG-05; 02-21-2023, 08:41 PM.

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