Missile launch off coast of CA a "shot across the bow" WARNING to the USA?

[Rmplstlskn]

The Pentagon just reported that their analysis shows it to be Santa's TEST SLEIGH...

Rmpl

[LizardKing]

Now there's an explanation I can live with, best one I've heard so far. But now what was the red streak over NYC?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/10/did-you-see-the-fire-in-the-nyc-sky/

Zombies with technology.

[M4Shadow]

What do you all think of this ???



Chinese EMP Attack Prompts US Missile Strike After Cruise Ship Crippled

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1421.htm

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz153SbyKEz

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html#comments

[Klayton]

OK, getting me nervous M4Shadow, I never ever ever trusted the Chinese...

Didn't somebody here post a way to protect a sealand container (its contents) from an EMP by using copper ribbon in a "net like" structure attached to the sides and roof of the container?

[Bearman202]

Thinking about it, I never heard the reason for the ship becoming disabled. Then again, I don't watch the news. I knew the ship was dead in the water, but never heard a reason given. Did anyone else?

[Bull]

I've been hearing they had an engine room fire, which could easily be the case. You can't run generators, which means you can't run anything. But, who knows, EMP induced electrical fire maybe? I thought the Obama administration was supposed to make the whole world love us. Maybe if he just tells them how much we care and understand, and that we're sorry for how horrible we are, they won't be mad anymore about getting screwed out of so much money. Maybe he should have did one of those bows he likes do to foreign leaders so much at the G20 meeting. Maybe he did and I missed it, or maybe those are reserved for Muslims. Lets hope China don't try to open a can of whoop-a** on us.

[Bearman202]

I looked it up, and saw the "engine room fire" explanation too. You work on a ship, right? Would the engine room fire shut down the whole ship? I guess they don't have back-up generators? It sounds like the entire electrical system shut down. It was interesting that none of the passengers had a problem with their cell phones, though. Would EMP shut down a cell phone if it were turned off when it took the hit? I could see that they would have them turned off if they were out of cell range. As long as the towers didn't take the hit, when you turn them back on, they should work. I wish I could trust the "engine room fire" explanation. It's just too coincidental. That, and the rocket launch in California and the "red streak" in New York.

If Bernie tanks the dollar, the Chinese are going to be PISSED. Justifiably so, I might add. It's like renting a car from someone for an outrageous price, only to find out it doesn't work. If someone hung that much paper on me, I would be somewhat upset too. <G> They bought our paper in good faith, and are now finding out that we REALLY saw them coming. Now they're talking about trade wars. What the pinheads in Washington D. Ceit don't realize is that the Chinese want a decent standard of living too. They're getting a taste of it, and ain't gonna go back to living in shacks in the boonies. Maybe they DO realize it, and are trying to pick a fight? I dunno. They seem to be wanting to pick a fight with North Korea and Iran too. What's wrong with those people?

[Bull]

@ Bearman202
I work on a ship and we have emergency generators. Most, if not all larger boats have them, as required by Coast Guard and ABS regs. They have to automatically come on in a certain amount of seconds after the main generator electrical supply panel losses power. The thing with that is that they typically only supply power to critical systems for navigation, firefighting pumps, bilge pumps, etc. Some are more in depth than others, but it depends on the fire and a lot of other variables as to how bad you are shut down after a main space(engine room) fire. Things like potable water pumps, air conditioning units probably aren't going to be in the circuits from emergency power, so you have no showers, sinks, toilets, A/C, etc. But it would be interesting to find out more of what exactly happened and what the actual condition was. Also, most fuel transfer pumps that you would use to fill the tanks of the emergency generators are not supplied by emergency power, so eventually you will lose that. I have to say though, there are a ton of different regs for different boats and some companies even go beyond them when building. So the cruise ship could have a lot of different stuff than my boat, and have a lot I don't know about. Ultimately too, you have an engineering department for the boat, and in a situation like that, how much you can do depends on what the engineers have to work with, and how knowledgeable and resourceful they are. Engineer is more of an industry term in this respect. You don't have a degree and work designing things as one thinks of an engineer normally. You are the guy that runs, maintains, and repairs all the equipment, and are required to have a license from the USCG, which has it's own in depth requirements for obtaining one. Sorry, getting off the subject. But it's really kind of spooky. I just started a thread the other day about an EMP offshore, where I'm pondering how screwed I'd be if I was at work, in the middle of the Gulf. I'd like to find out more about this for sure, because it could be the actual result. I did think it was odd that the Navy, and not the Coast Guard, was providing food and what not. Might be cover for the Navy showing up to respond to the actual threat. Anyway, I'm rambling. This is definitely worth looking into. I think your dead on about China. They loan us money and we tell them we are going to pay them back less. That's going to piss off anyone. Actually, everyone who has invested in the U.S. So much for International Diplomacy.

[Bearman202]

Yeah, it struck me as odd that a passenger liner wouldn't have back-ups for some of the amenities. 4,500 people and they can't flush the toilets? Ewwww. Even more importantly, they don't have drinking water? If the EMP strike was big enough, and covered enough area, it could be a couple of days before help got there. That's not a good scenerio at all. The official story just smells bad to me, for some reason. What is there in an engine room that will burn? I mean, the fuel is going to be piped directly to the engines, and unless they spring a leak, there's nothing else that can burn, unless an electrical panel blows. Even then, there should be enough breakers in the middle that the only thing that goes is that one panel. Okay, maybe if it was the fuel control panel or something, that would shut it down, but my impression is that there isn't a whole lot laying around an engine room that will burn. That's probably just ignorance on my part, though. Hmm, did they have radios? I don't remember reading that they called for help. They must have had some kind of radios, which would rule out an EMP strike, right?

[Bull]

There is a whole lot that can burn in an engine room and boats have a large potential for fire. There is a lot more than metal, and there is a bunch of machinery, all using some type of oil or grease, that eventually leaks or is spilled during replacement, which is difficult to completely clean, due to the design of a boat. You have supplies, work spaces, belts, hoses, insulation on wiring and exhaust, rags, etc, etc. My engine room remains at about 120 degrees while we are running, throughout, with other areas a lot hotter. As much as we try, it is impossible to keep an engine room sterile and clean like a hospital. It is an industrial environment with a ton of machinery and equipment crammed into half the space it would be on land, and subject to constant vibration, shaking and other dynamic stresses. Fire is a constant threat. It is through constant diligence that an engine room is maintained to prevent fire, or detect it in time to put out before it overtakes the entire vessel. When I heard they had a fire, that didn't surprise me at all. The "missile" looking contrail is what really piques my curiosity. Thinking about it, they must have had comms to call for help. Plus, the people working on the boat are normal folks, and they would recognize that something didn't make sense about the way things took place. Unless they are being hushed, I would expect to hear something from them. I got this e-mail today: More On SoCal Missile From A Missile Tech
By George Freund
11-13-10


"Finally there is something that has occurred, in which I am actually an expert and qualified to give a real answer about. I am a retired U.S. Navy FireControl Technician, who is platform certified in the gun and missile systems on board Adams class guided missile destroyers, I have also worked with the Navy's Harpoon, Tomahawk and ASROC missile systems. (FireControl Techs operate, maintain and repair the computer, radar and periphial systems used to launch and guide the various naval weapon systems, we are the guys who "PUSH THE BUTTON").

Anyway, what I saw in the recent video concerning the object 30 miles off the coast of CA. Is blatantly a foreign made, Large Cruise or ICBM missile, being launched by a sub-surface aquatic platform.

First, I know it's a large missile because it did not exhibit the typical "corkscrewing" trajectory of a beam riding missile as it trys to aquire the targeting beam. This tells me its a Big Boy with a complete guidence system installed in it, what is nicknamed a "fire and forget" missile, as once its launched its internal guidance system takes over and there is no real need for external guidance.

Second, I'm fairly confident it's not one of ours, as the vapor trail appears "dirty" it looks brownish.

I have personally been involved in (5) SM2 missile launches, and (2) ASROC missile launches, and have been on safety observation for at least 15 more launches of Harpoons, Tomahawks and other missiles. We put alot of sweat and money into our "birds" and part of that is the fuel cells, they burn very clean, a whitish-blue infact, not a dirty blackish brown. That missile had rather crude fuel cells, which tells me its not one of ours.

I bet the brass in Washington is freaked out big time, because of what I know of our "defenses" they should really have had a pretty good idea this thing was sitting there, and they should have been watching it, not only that the moment it broke the surface of the water and ignited our early warning dopplar should have picked it up, and relayed the info to NORAD, and the CAP units flying patrol over the country... Any high ranking expert who believes this is a condensation trail off of a commercial airliner is lying or stupid. I hope you hear from other Fire Control Techs who saw the same thing I did."

[Bull]

Again though, what caused the fire? Fires aren't out of the ordinary on offshore boats, you just don't hear about them much because it involves boat trash like me, and not 4500 civilians. But with this other stuff going on I have to wonder if there really was an EMP that caused it. Maybe it wasn't a real powerful one, which left some comms, and cellphones working, but the control circuits to run the generators, voltage regulators and that type of stuff, is incredibly sensitive electronic equipment, without which, you ain't gonna work. It doesn't seem unrealistic given how pissed China is right now. And China, like most of us, probably views this round of quantitative easing as a sign of even more to come. So they are getting screwed now, and can probably expect to get screwed even more in the future. If they did it, I wonder if it will have any affect on those in power here. Kind of funny to think that China may help us out by "encouraging" our government not to destroy our dollar.