Stealing is NOW OK!!

[Pop_45]

The first time a shop owner shoots a shoplifter over a can of soda, or $20 pair of sunglasses, things will change.

[eviltwin]

The first time a shop owner shoots a shoplifter over a can of soda, or $20 pair of sunglasses, things will change.

You got that right.

[qrprat77]

More FLASH! AHAH! moments:

http://www.wokv.com/news/news/local/flash-mob-overruns-northwest-jax-walmart/nPwh8/

A flash mob recently overran a Northwest Jacksonville Walmart, damaging merchandise, as well as the store's security system.
Police say over 300 people stormed the store. Police have not made any arrests yet.

[jmsneorrcom]

Im sure this isnt going to be popular - I have been a firefighter for 24 years - they are not responding to minor calls like those because of cut backs that republicans impose - even in the public sector if you want good service you need to pay for it, if certain tea baggers had there way they would pay police and fireman minimum wage and expect top notch service, you wouldnt expect soldiers to fight for the USA if you were paying them a buck an hour would you

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

Not sure it is a party line thing... It is the politics of cut backs during a major down turn of the economic enviroment.

In fact the over 2 or 3 years ago "conspiracy theorist" started warning people this was coming. They told us taxes would keep going up, services would start being cut and eventually police would be "revenue generation" only and fireman would be part time (if your lucky). And that they would start trying to take pensions and benefits of first goverment employees then eventually those of private citizens.

My question is how did the "Conspiracy Guys" see this coming that long ago? And what else are they saying that is true?

The politicians are being told to cut spending, but no one will propose to cut spending of the "Hand Outs" and "Green Projects" because those are votes that keep them in office. So with those limitations what can they cut and still stay in office and they need large cuts... The policitians want to keep their jobs more than they care about yours (this is true for either side).

You should be upset about all the "Fluff" left in the budget just in order to keep votes and also to keep their "sponsers" happy. This is major problem on both sides affecting everyone's governmet (local, state, federal)

#1. Corruption (aka special intrest)
#2. The need to keep the votes of those that dont want to actually earn money, make their own way and willing to pay taxes along the way

There was a reason why "Non-Property" owners were NOT allowed to vote in local policies and elections back in the day. Those without will usually vote to take from those with something.

Again it (the U.S.A of the past) was not perfect but it was way better than anything we have now and anything any one else has come up with as of yet. We need to get back there.

[qrprat77]

Im sure this isnt going to be popular - I have been a firefighter for 24 years - they are not responding to minor calls like those because of cut backs that republicans impose - even in the public sector if you want good service you need to pay for it, if certain tea baggers had there way they would pay police and fireman minimum wage and expect top notch service, you wouldnt expect soldiers to fight for the USA if you were paying them a buck an hour would you

Uhhhh,
whut?
1. When did we start sending firefighters to stop riots?
2. You need to ask yourself why are firefighter/teacher/police the only thing that ever talks about getting cut?
3. Your straw man is showing, the tea bagger who wants to pay police/firefighters minimum wage doesn't exist.
4. Oh, I get it, you are trolling. Sorry for feeding you! My clue should have been the lack of reasonable argument. Also your appeal to emotion. I formally respond with a raspberry, aka a Bronx cheer!

There is an off chance you actually feel and think the words you speak. A reasonable argument for the Jacksonville situation would be "This occured in Jax, where Mr. so and so cut spending for the police department by X%, they have had bad crime ever since" provide a few links, maybe some cooresponding documentation, display how Mr So and So was elected for his "tea bagging" principles and fairly listen to any response.

On the other hand,

D00d, this is Jax!
If you know Jax, you know that this is SOP for the area. There's not enough funding to cure the Northside.
As a former Westsider, I support my statement.

[610Alpha]

Im sure this isnt going to be popular - I have been a firefighter for 24 years - they are not responding to minor calls like those because of cut backs that republicans impose - even in the public sector if you want good service you need to pay for it, if certain tea baggers had there way they would pay police and fireman minimum wage and expect top notch service, you wouldnt expect soldiers to fight for the USA if you were paying them a buck an hour would you

I don't mind paying for firefighters....but when has a single tax dollar ever gone for what that tax was created for? I highly doubt in your lifetime or mine. I can't stand Gov't waste and I don't like unfunded pensions...I don't have a pension so I have to save and plan for my retirement, the days of just coming in and putting in 30 years and the company taking care of you are over.

In my area a lot of small towns only have volunteer fireman which only get a very small fee on a per call basis. I work with a couple of guys that are volunteer firemen.

I remember being an E2 in the army and I didn't make much over $800/mo and I was technically on duty 24 hours that isn't much over $1 an hour...times have changed since '93 as you can see how much an E2 makes with less than 2 years on the job: http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/money...-soldiers.html

I certainly think that fireman and police and military don't get paid enough for putting their lives in danger. I don't think Fed. politicians should get their salary for the rest of their life and not have to pay into Soc. Sec. (wish I could opt out right now!!), but you don't seem to mention that. The one thing that military does have is healthcare and for some they can get living quarters and even fewer can get food (i lived on base in the barracks and ate at the chow hall). I do believe the Tea Party wants balanced budgets and I highly doubt they want to pay police and fireman minimum wage and expect top notch service. All the time I see my ctiy council wasting money and can't get them to work with the State/County on construction projects cause they end up tearing up a new road to put in a section of pipe instead of doing it when it was already tore up....maybe if they stopped wasting money they could pay fireman and police more money. Waste happens on both sides of the isle...what we need is a HUGE dose of common sense.

Oh and in case you didn't know this country is broke and we can't afford to spend more than we have...

[jmsneorrcom]

Uhhhh,
whut?
1. When did we start sending firefighters to stop riots?
2. You need to ask yourself why are firefighter/teacher/police the only thing that ever talks about getting cut?
3. Your straw man is showing, the tea bagger who wants to pay police/firefighters minimum wage doesn't exist.
4. Oh, I get it, you are trolling. Sorry for feeding you! My clue should have been the lack of reasonable argument. Also your appeal to emotion. I formally respond with a raspberry, aka a Bronx cheer!

There is an off chance you actually feel and think the words you speak. A reasonable argument for the Jacksonville situation would be "This occured in Jax, where Mr. so and so cut spending for the police department by X%, they have had bad crime ever since" provide a few links, maybe some cooresponding documentation, display how Mr So and So was elected for his "tea bagging" principles and fairly listen to any response.

On the other hand,

D00d, this is Jax!
If you know Jax, you know that this is SOP for the area. There's not enough funding to cure the Northside.
As a former Westsider, I support my statement.

I ve been two 4 riots in 24 years of service as a firefighter, and I guess your right I am irresposible - I served 3 years in the active duty army as an infantryman and 6 years in the ohio national guard. for 24 years I worked two jobs to support my wife and three daughters.
to the republican party I am the entilted and a drain on the economy. I have a worthless job that offers nothing to society and should be shot on site.
YOUR RIGHT ALL OF US PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ARE THE PROBLEM WITH THE COUNTRY

[Spock]

I ve been two 4 riots in 24 years of service as a firefighter, and I guess your right I am irresposible - I served 3 years in the active duty army as an infantryman and 6 years in the ohio national guard. for 24 years I worked two jobs to support my wife and three daughters.
to the republican party I am the entilted and a drain on the economy. I have a worthless job that offers nothing to society and should be shot on site.
YOUR RIGHT ALL OF US PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ARE THE PROBLEM WITH THE COUNTRY

You're a public employee who hasn't figured it out. The government is broke at all levels. When the private sector jobs went bye bye and home values plummeted what did you think was going to happen? where do you think the money that pays your salary comes from? At the end a rainbow a unicorn farted out? It comes from the tax payers who are broke. Hell Scranton PA is actually completely BROKE right now. I'm making 1/2 as much money as I did 4 years. Most of the people I know are making less than they did 4 years ago. The economy is poop sandwich and public employee's just like private sector employees have to take a bite.

[Grand58742]

You wouldnt expect soldiers to fight for the USA if you were paying them a buck an hour would you

Okay, let's break that last statement down shall we?

Average E-4 over four years time in service deployed downrange works roughly six days a week, roughly fifteen hours a day:

6 x 15 = 90 hour work weeks.

Deployed for twelve month rotations, minus two weeks for R&R leave. So fifty weeks per year deployed

90 x 50 = 4500 hours per year.

Average monthly salary for said E-4 is $2267. And since it's deployed, it's tax free. So all take home. Now, hostile fire pay is $225 a month.

$2267 + 225 = $2492

Plus $3.50 a day for Per Diem. $3.50 x 30 = $105

$2492 + $105 = $2597 monthly

$2597 x 12 months = $31164 yearly for deployed.

Hourly wages would be...$6.92 per hour for getting shot at, blown up, rocketed, mortared, living in extreme environmental conditions, away from families, wearing up to 100 pounds of gear, eating out of a brown plastic sack a lot of times, minute long "combat" showers maybe two or three days a week if lucky...shall I go on?

And for said E-4, provided they are deployed from Oklahoma, should be making $7.25 minimum wage based on a 40 hour work week. And that's only 2080 hours a year. Imagine the overtime said trooper would be getting if they weren't on salary!

Do us all a favor and leave the military out of your posts. You have no idea what those kids endure or what hell they go through to make less than minimum wage. And continue doing it when they raise their right hand to reenlist so you can post nonsense like you did.

ETA: Just because I'm bored and was curious enough to do it...

If said E-4 was on hourly minimum wage and got time and a half for "overtime," they would be making:

$10.88 an hour x 2420 hours per year = $26,329.60 extra for "overtime" pay. Just remember, when you think your job sucks and you aren't getting paid "fairly" things can always be far worse.

[qrprat77]

I ve been two 4 riots in 24 years of service as a firefighter, and I guess your right I am irresposible - I served 3 years in the active duty army as an infantryman and 6 years in the ohio national guard. for 24 years I worked two jobs to support my wife and three daughters.
to the republican party I am the entilted and a drain on the economy. I have a worthless job that offers nothing to society and should be shot on site.
YOUR RIGHT ALL OF US PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ARE THE PROBLEM WITH THE COUNTRY

I think we're miscommunicating.

1. You stopped 4 riots in 24 years eh? Color me surprised! I personally don't believe it should be the job of the fire department to stop riots, clean up after the riot maybe, but stop it? Seems out of scope to me. I would be angry if I was a firefighter facing off against a mob.

2. Irresponsible? Your label for yourself, not mine. I think you are trying to get me to empathize with you. I would rather you bolster your supposition "Bad things occur because of tea party funding cuts" with facts and references. I already empathize with you. Like Spock said, we've all felt the crunch. You can't get paid until I get paid man. Thems the facts.

3. 2 jobs for 24 years, well if that's what it takes, good on you! Irrelevant to the conversation, but I give an Amen! Been there myself, just not for 24 years yet. I'm still young by most folks standards.

4. I don't know what you are to the republican party. They certainly don't listen to me. "The Entitled" is a label I don't understand. As far as being a drain on the economy, there are a lot of necessary things that are a drain on the economy. I have such a job in my industry. Believe me, life would stink for a lot of people if I didn't do my job, and I earn my pay, but I have no illusions as to what I'm producing. I'm nothing more than a watchdog. I'm only valuable because I keep very costly things from happening. The only producing I do is at home in my garden.

5. As far as public employees being the problem in this country, maybe, could be. IDK. I'll tongue in cheekedly agree with you only because I'm a jerk like that. In reality I believe people are taking less personal responsibility for being salt and light in their own neighborhood.

This thread is not about how funding cuts lead to flash mobs. It is about the reality of flash mobs. Funding cuts do not cause bad behavior. Bad people do bad things. How will you respond on a PERSONAL level when "Da mob" comes to your AO?

[jmsneorrcom]

we are miscommunicating because I did not say I stopped 4 riots, I said I was at four riots.
and the purpose of my post was there is going to be less responses to problems as funding is cut back, you cant have good service if you are not willing to pay for it.
I posted another response, but it must have been deleted by the moderator. so have a nice day

[qrprat77]

More Flash Mob Rob Goodness:

http://www.kgw.com/news/Flash-mob-targets-Troutdale-Albertsons-store-159463245.html

TROUTDALE -- A group of teens targeted a Troutdale store last weekend in a 'flash rob' and investigators are trying to identify the suspects.
Investigators said as many as 40 kids entered the Albertsons store at 25691 SE Stark Street at the same time late Saturday night and started stealing things.

[BioG8r]

Back on the Flash Rob situation.
As Admiral Painter said "This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."
Watch the youtube vid of this Mob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKoU5...ayer_embedded#!

**Warning** This will evoke a desire to respond!!!

[Cimarron]

Back on the Flash Rob situation.
As Admiral Painter said "This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."
Watch the youtube vid of this Mob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKoU5...ayer_embedded#!

**Warning** This will evoke a desire to respond!!!

Wow, what utter chaos. I'm surprised there wasn't a fight or someone didn't try and rob from the cash register.