Americans can now be "detained" indefinitely!?!?!?

[WiseOwl]

I agree Matt. I know our country is forked up, but not that bad. Instead of taking my tin foil hat off, I will remove my UGA hat after this ugly spanking.....:(

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Matt you sure this is the one they voted on 97-3?

I'm not sure of anything bro except that tinfoil is being unrolled fast and no one can answer the real questions. I'm reading another 853pg document Bill number S.1253. I'm gonna do my homework before deciding anything and just because JP the politician and some dude on some blogroll and someone on this forum said so dont cut it with me neither. I'm glad to see you looked with me as well.
I will do a longer reply after reading this next document but the politics to skills ratio is gettin real lopsided here

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1253/show

[Klayton]

Ok it's on pg 426 of the pdf "Subtitle D—Detainee Matters". It does cover detaining terrorist
I don't see anything on ammo, food or fingers. If you find it or anything let me know

Ditto Matt, did the search for food and all I found was the mentioning of dumping food waste at sea (kinda of shocking, but not harmful, I guess fish would love the free food)...

Matt you sure this is the one they voted on 97-3?

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Ok it's on pg 426 of the pdf "Subtitle D—Detainee Matters". It does cover detaining terrorist
I don't see anything on ammo, food or fingers. If you find it or anything let me know

[Matt In Oklahoma]

what bill number is it so i can look up and see how my senator voted?

Still no bill #???
Ok so I think this is it

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1867:

so help me find where all this bad stuff is now

[sabretech2001]

And don't forget "waterproof ammunition". I violate that with just my stash of 8mm Mauser....

Still have all my fingers, though.

[ssonb]

It is easy to control a country when everyone is already a criminal....Adolf Hitler,.. Show me a man and I will find his crime...(I forgot this ones name but he worked for Joseph Stalin).

[Klayton]

Wait, this is the same bill? the 7 days of food and indefinite detainment? Oh not so good. BTW, the 7 days of food makes pretty much EVERYBODY a terrorist, atleast all my buddies, we get paid every 2 weeks and payday you buy enough food for the fridge to last until next payday, so thats 14 days of food (super terrorrists?)..

[Bearman202]

Klayton, you need to check on that. Under that bill, if you store more than 7 days worth of food, you can be classified as a terrorist. See, you thought you were a prepper, didn't you? Also, if you're missing fingers, own more than x number of guns, or own certain types of guns, or a whole bunch of other stuff, you can be classified as a terrorist, shipped off to Guantanamo, denied due process, and forget about having a lawyer. Oh, yeah, you no longer have the right to remain silent either. Can you hear the disgust dripping here? I spent 12 years in the military, and this is the result????

[Klayton]

@Not Yet; funny thing about that name American, by definition Mexicans are Americans, Canadians are Americans, Hell everybody from North AMERICA, Central AMERICA, and South AMERICA could technically be called Americans. We are technically United Statians (but once again our ignorance or arrogance stuck us with thinking the title American can and should be reserved for members of a small portion of the Americas...

**sigh**

oh well, I am proud to claim I am a PATRIOT, and willingly signed the line and put my Country before my life for over 22 years...

Long Live the Republic!!

[Klayton]

A lot of LEOs and military personel now need to choose sides, It look like ours has been chosen for us. (sorry the stubborn Scottish genetics acting up)

Did you see the youtube videos of the national guard in Katrina? Soldiers outright saying they dont like to shoot at Americans that dont want to give up their guns, but they will because that have orders...

Every Soldier in that chain of command should have been relieved and every Soldier thrown in jail for these actions.

A Soldier ALL SOLDIERS are obligated to defend the constitution and when a direct order violates that constitution it is not a valid order and a Soldier is REQUIRED to disobey it... Or did something change since the day I wore the salad suit?

[610Alpha]

what bill number is it so i can look up and see how my senator voted?

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

Yes... Those who receive Orders must decide now (with a clear head) what type of orders they are willing to follow (they must remember their Oath to up hold the constitution).

I also think it is important for them to start talking with their peers/co-workers about it. “Group Think” can be a big problem or a great thing. In World War II you can find stories of units doing great things under extreme distress and one of the common parts in many of those stories, is guy A kept going because guy B was still going and Guy B was going because Guy A was... So they supported each other through bad, bad conditions to achieve great things. "Group think" is usually pointed out as being bad (which it can be) but if thought and discussion preceded the problem it can also be a great thing.

If you get the others on board with you, number one someone in your "group" is less likely to turn on you over NOT following an "illegal order". And number two once those orders start following down hill the entire unit might group together on the side of the American people**. That is one reason I think stuff like OathKeepers.org is so important, get LEO and Mil to start thinking what they will and more importantly what they will NOT do.

**FYI I do not believe American is a Nationality (I know many people born here that I feel are NOT American and I know many immigrants that I feel are American) American to me is a MINDSET. So by "on the side of the American people" I mean supporting "Free People" and the Constitution.

[ssonb]

A lot of LEOs and military personel now need to choose sides, It look like ours has been chosen for us. (sorry the stubborn Scottish genetics acting up)

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

Looks like a lot of the "elected " have been told that they will have no worries about having to seek re-election....

That is a scary thought...?
Then again so is someone saying "Super Congress"? Did I vote for a REPRESENTATIVE for the "SUPER CONGRESS", i dont remember that box on my ballet?