Nationwide Concealed Carry

[WiseOwl]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/house-to-vote-on-concealed-firearm-permit-bill/?test=latestnews\

Now this is a good thing. And South Carolina can kiss my butt if this gets passed....:cool:

[TyrannyUnleashed]

Woot, Woot,

But wait, Rep. Terry Gowdy (R. S.C.) had a huge pro HR 822 speech today. If you didn't see it, look either at NRA News or You tube for the video. He put Rep. sheila Jackson Lee (gag) (D TX) in her place, and did it with facts. It was truly sweet!

[snare]

I am very wary about direct federal level control of our right, even more so than state control.

[wipeout]

I can't watch the vid, but this would make our CCW more like a drivers lic, right?

[Elza]

I have mixed feelings.

It would be nice to be able to carry in all the states that have ccw. But it’s also another Federal camel sticking its nose under the tent. The Fed stepping on even more of the states rights is disturbing.

[Mikeg175]

I actually think this isn't the Feds taking control , its them saying its a 'right' to carry , they are stopping gestapo states ( I live in one ) from stopping the average citizen carry a firearm . They can't force MD to allow CCW , but they can make it so your state permit is allowed in all other states , thats why we are the United State of America and the constitution is there for all the states to recognize , not just the ones who want to follow it .

[Grand58742]

The one thing that I've seen missed in the discussion so far is the fact it only allows reciprocity in the States which currently have CCW. So for those in IL and DC, the law continues to say "no CCW at all." So even if you have a valid permit in whatever State you happen to reside in, you still cannot carry concealed in those areas.

Also, the one other thing that hasn't really been brought up are States like Vermont and Arizona who no longer need licenses to carry. I'm assuming (??) there are still permits that can be obtained through those States in case folks are going other places? Just wondering how that might affect the decision. Anyone that lives in those States know the answer here?

And one last thing, it has to make it's way through the Senate (a trial in itself) and has to be signed off by the President. A couple of big hurdles to leap before this actually goes into effect. Not trying to be Negative Nate here, but I'm looking long term and as long as the political makeup of the Senate and White House is as it stands, the future isn't looking really great. I could be wrong though and hope I'm proved wrong.

[eeyore]

Here is a link to interesting graphic of how concealed carry has changed is the last 20 years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif

[Gonzo]

Thanks eeyore! Nice!

However, federalizing CC is not what we want, folks.
You want issuing CC permits to be anything like publik skoolz, "deathcare", or maybe a retirement safetynet? Really?!?
Ooh! Maybe they'll farm it out like the "stable currency" clause - that should be exiting!

Really, the fed already has all the firearm legislation they need, ever.
Say it with me now: "shall not be infringed".

G

[eeyore]

Gonzo,

I agree 100% it is a States Rights issue and not a federal one, i think it is a great idea, but they are abusing their authority again.

[brokedownbiker]

The drivers license analogy seems pretty strong. Every state sets their criteria, yet ALL states honor those of other states. I do worry about the Fed's getting involved, even in a 'good' way. The idea of a national database of CCW holders would be a BAD thing, IMHO. (If it doesn't already exist)

BTW- Excellent graphic, Eeyore!!

[WiseOwl]

Even though most of the states that I would even visit, I can already carry there (except South Crapolina) but it would be nice to take my firearm with me anywhere I needed to go legally. I wont be going to IL or DC so it doesnt matter.

Yall are right, this should be a states issue, but if this passes it truly isnt some terrible thing.

[VINCENT]

i dont see this as the federal government sticking their nose in and trying to gain a stronger strangle hold on us. i see it as the federal government saying, these people have this right, and we are going to require all states to recognize it. they may not yet force those states that have no CC permit to get one, but theres only what??? 2 of these states left? i look forward to the day when i can carry while visiting family in komiefornia

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

Vincent,

Maybe today they are saying that but still it is a states right...

And if they set the precedent that they are controlling it, what is next?

In the UK it was:
1. We want you to add your guns to a list voluntarily so that if they get stolen and then recovered we can get them back to you the rightful owner.
2. Then it was any new gun purchased must be registered.
3. Then mandated that all your guns are registered, if you go to a club and shoot they must check the gun to see if it is registered.
4. Once majority had registered then it was handguns are bad and you can not have them….
5. Then it was semi-auto rifles are bad you don’t need those for Hunting.
6. Then center fire rifles are bad you don’t need those either
7. so on and on, until they basically can not have anything but a knife.

It goes in increments.
1. First they get you used to the idea that the FEDs tell you whose permit each state must honor.
2. Then it will be to get the permit (because it is now controlled by Federal) you must get the permit from them the Federal Government and not your state.
3. Once they control the permits they can keep reducing the number of new permits issued until the point that basically no NEW permits are allowed.
4. Once no NEW permits are allowed… why allow the existing permit holders carry?

Not saying that is the way it will go but it is the way other things have gone and the way this could go.


The Fed should only be
1. protecting our boarders
2. making inter-state commerce easier
3. allowing a venue for inter-state "Court" AND helping states solve inter-state crime

Just about all the other parts should be left up to the local (State & County) level. Large Central governments have always led to misuse, corruption and eventually major criminal conduct by the "Officials"...

Our founders knew this and why the set up the government the way they did. It took the 150-200 years for the "Corrupt" and "Weak Hearted" to tear it down but they have at this point pretty much torn it apart.

[Elza]

7. so on and on, until they basically can not have anything but a knife.

Not in the U.K. Get caught carrying a knife these days and you wind up in prison.