Prison Releases

[Cimarron]

Rehabilitation is possible but rests on the individual. They have to want to change. I believe it can happen and know personally it has. A local man was convicted of minor gang activities. He did the time got out, and has changed his life. He now has a family, runs a local business, and has even got involved in town meetings/politics. It can happen.

Now, here's the thing that I took from the article, which I actually read, from Matt's link. This was not about reform/rahabing inmates. This change in prison senteance was because a law was seen to harsh to a certain color of people..

From the article:
"Under the old system, a person convicted of crack possession got the same mandatory prison term as someone with 100 times the amount of powdered cocaine. Five grams of crack, about the weight of five packets of Sweet N'Low, brought a mandatory five years; it took 500 grams of powder to get the same sentence.

The law was seen as racially unfair because blacks made up the majority of people convicted of crack crimes, while whites were more likely to be found guilty of offenses involving powdered cocaine."
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Really? Who cares what color the abuser/pusher is? They break the law they pay the price..period

This only adds to the "entitlement" mentallity already over blown in this country.

[Appaholic]

http://www.aol.com/2011/11/01/crack-...est=latestnews

Crack Sentencing Reform Means 12,000 Early Releases

and about 300+ hit the street today, dont ya feel better knowing those poor misunderstood drug dealer individuals rights were wernt violated and all them unwaranted convictions were overturned? I'm sure all those immediate releases will just meld right on back into society especially in light of the great economical and job situation. Can't possibly effect the way we plan as more of this happens can it? After all they are reforming in there, right?
How's your home defense plan, personal protection plan and escape plans coming?

Oh thats right I'm to harsh in telling folks what to do in bad stuff like driving conditions and shooting while you are in a wrestling senario, never mind, my bad

No, not too harsh and I can understand your frustration. However, it's my understanding these releases are more for the "dealing" side with no extenuating circumstances (violence, repeat offenders, etc). In those cases, and given our current financial mess, I don't mind and actually support this decision. The same "dealers" of powder form were already out and this decision affords the same conditions to crack dealers. IMO, this opens up more spaces for the violent element in our prisons. Those are the folks that concern me, not the street level guy out there hustling for some money from the sons of white suburbia...

[Mikeg175]

I know people from both sides of the razor wire and I know which ones I would turn to when SHTF . I am not condoning anything that put them behind bars , but I know which ones I could trust and believe it or not its not the law abiding ones . Most people are going to burrow down and hide and wait for someone else to save them . The ones who have been down a bad road know what trouble is and know how to keep their eyes open and watch their backs and the backs of the people they consider their friends . I have a childhood friend ( was best man at my wedding ) , he just couldnt get it straight for a long time and did some time ( federal - which was day camp ) ( and some state which wasnt ) this all happened in his late teens , early 20's . I took care of his family and made sure he was taken care of also . I would trust him with my life , wife , son , cash and my preps . He was over yesterday helping me bag rice and organize my food stocks . He hasnt been in trouble in almost 20 yrs but when SHTF he will be the first at my door with his kids . I will break the law and put a weapon on his hip and in his hands . I KNOW he will do what is necessary to watch my back and I will do the same . I have another friend who is a police detective , but he does it as a job . I have taken him the range , he cant hit the broad side of a barn and will be the first to blow off work to catch a ballgame or if its too cold . He wont be coming to my house if SHTF .

I know this isnt the normal situation , but I know from my personal life and having to interact with all kinds that the criminal element will get it done ( not the right/legal way ) . The law abiding will wait in the dark texting and whining waiting and hoping someone does something for them and that no one does anything to them . When SHTF I know my friends will be there if they have to walk , bike , steal a car , whatever it takes . I think most criminals are a waste of oxygen and waste of lead , use a rope , its cheaper . I have never done a drug in my life , but have no problems with drugs as long as you are not affecting your family , friends , work and so forth . I know a lot of people who smoke pot and wouldnt hurt a fly doing it , then I also know people who drink a few beers and are ready to fight and get ignorant .

[WiseOwl]

If criminals, well excuse me, alleged criminals would just use this guy, they wouldn't need to be released!

http://www.happyplace.com/11901/the-most-bad-***-legal-services-ad-ever-printed

[Bill Foster]

My 2 cents worth... If our elected officials can't get the amount of money that they want... so they can purchase votes... they threaten layoffs of teachers, fire fighters, and police followed by the early release of violent criminals. Never will the guy get out early who is in jail for possession of less-than-an ounce, or late child support payments because he got laid-off. I've never been in that position myself, but I know a few who have. Tomorrow my county will choose to vote on a penny sales tax addition for county improvements. Many are against the tax this time because the sales tax was dreamed up before any guess of how much was to be spent, or what it was to be spent on. Now we know a new jail is going to be on the list, as well as a new, larger, county courthouse...the third new courthouse in the past 10 years. I'm sure if the tax doesn't pass, we will not have enough jail space to hold the violent criminals. And, it will be all our fault.

[Klayton]

My 2 cents worth... If our elected officials can't get the amount of money that they want... so they can purchase votes... they threaten layoffs of teachers, fire fighters, and police followed by the early release of violent criminals. Never will the guy get out early who is in jail for possession of less-than-an ounce, or late child support payments because he got laid-off. I've never been in that position myself, but I know a few who have. Tomorrow my county will choose to vote on a penny sales tax addition for county improvements. Many are against the tax this time because the sales tax was dreamed up before any guess of how much was to be spent, or what it was to be spent on. Now we know a new jail is going to be on the list, as well as a new, larger, county courthouse...the third new courthouse in the past 10 years. I'm sure if the tax doesn't pass, we will not have enough jail space to hold the violent criminals. And, it will be all our fault.

Well first, the majority of what you said about threatening police/teacher layoffs, thats a predominantly LEFT/Democrat tactic. As for buying votes, sadly both sides do that (although democrats do it way more than republicans). As far as your jail space, I am all for GP Larges and old fashioned kettle wood stoves. If it is good enough for me while I served my country for 4 weeks at a time in the freezing cold of Germany it damn sure is good enough for a convict. Stop this insane cable tv, weight lifting rooms, and so on. Hell give them all a track to run on, maybe then they will be fast convicts and some of our cops will lay off some of the doughnuts. LOL just kidding, well sorta... The only thing with a penny tax is this, once it is passed, they do NOT have to have an election to raise that "penny" they only need the city/county/state council to vote on its raise... THAT IS THE DANGER!!

[Bull]

What your stance is on drugs, the war on drugs, politics, Law Enforcement or whatever is for you to decide, it wont change the minute when one of these shows up and "wants" what you have today, tommorow or later. Just tell'em your a smoker and anti-estblishment when they try and get your property and see if it helps you. They care less than I do, which would make it ZERO.
I'm telling you this so you can look at your plans and training and thought process for your safety because I deemed this a real threat to the general public and some folks on this site that I somewhat cared about as they have provided me valuable knowledge and skills over the past year and a half.
The talk is easy. Training and skills are harder. Sharing those skills and training is the hardest. What are you really offering when you post?

Is this directed at anyone in particular, or all those who began debating drug issue? I'll respond because I know I was involved in that. First, I apologize if I contributed to steering the thread in the wrong direction, as that was not my intention.

If someone shows up and wants my stuff, anytime, I won't be explaining anything to them, except the repercussions they'll face if they don't leave. I'm not a smoker, and I am only anti-establishment, in as much as the current establishment is very much for getting my property. The "establishment" got a huge amount of my property last year, which they turned around and wasted on a variety things, including jailing individuals who have never harmed me or anyone else, nor violated anyones rights. I would have preferred to keep my money.

What are you really offering when you post

I was offering a different viewpoint to consider, regarding how dangerous certain "criminals" might actually be, both if released from prison, and during a SHTF scenario, as well as the danger of taking people who have not harmed anyone or violated their rights, and making them criminals, where they will then be in jail, learning criminal behavior and mentality, they otherwise would have had no interest in.

They are not just "crack dealers" they commit many other crimes in the process, usually violent. They are gang members who have learned how to work closley with others in violent atmospheres unlike alot of people, Their commo is second to none in code words, language, methods and cross culture processing. They have lifted weights and gotten into shape, have been fighting for stupid reasons inside but gaining skills along the way to include the art of edged weapons, something the majority of the public doesnt know, and learning anatomy and counter skills for holds and chokes that others have used against them in the past. Blood and placing hands on someone doesn't bother them as they have seen the elephant before having done time.

I agree.

You know when I posted this it was to raise your awareness that criminal minded subjects were being mass dumped into the public with no jobs or even thoughts of what they are going to do because they didn't know they were getting out and with little to no money or hope.

Thank you.