Prison Releases

[Matt In Oklahoma]

http://www.aol.com/2011/11/01/crack-sentencing-reform_n_1069293.html?test=latestnews

Crack Sentencing Reform Means 12,000 Early Releases

and about 300+ hit the street today, dont ya feel better knowing those poor misunderstood drug dealer individuals rights were wernt violated and all them unwaranted convictions were overturned? I'm sure all those immediate releases will just meld right on back into society especially in light of the great economical and job situation. Can't possibly effect the way we plan as more of this happens can it? After all they are reforming in there, right?
How's your home defense plan, personal protection plan and escape plans coming?

Oh thats right I'm to harsh in telling folks what to do in bad stuff like driving conditions and shooting while you are in a wrestling senario, never mind, my bad

[qrprat77]

Dang, Dawg!
Decaf be yo friend!
lol.
I understand your frustration, and share many of them. I don't know what to think about releasing all these people. After spending somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 years dealing with drug addicts, drug dealers, and crackbabies, I consider the whole war on drugs thing to be an adventure in missing the point.
I mean,
State trooper can pull you over and take your cash if you got more than 10K on you.
You might be a drug dealer!
You go and change your life, and your crowd, and try to get a decent paying job after a drug arrest, and your options are limited because you were a drug dealer!
...
like I said, an adventure in missing the point...
back to your point,
I think that early release or full term, a person is who they are, so realistically speaking, we need to be prepared to see them before we see them.
Thanks for your vids and advice on some sensitive and hard things!
Keep makin' 'em!

[slingshot]

The releases will be happening more & more as more state budgets hit crunch time. No way of knowing how many thousands of scumbags will be released to prey on the public in the next few years in probably all states. They will commit many atrocities against us. Padlocks & pistols will be the only thing between us and them. The government will offer even less protection than it does now. Better to let innocent citizens be victimized than to crowd the prison cells with those little darlings - that's cruel & unusual punishment you know!

[crossbow]

I don't mind them at all, or petty crooks,I don't do drugs and my place is secure, the inter cities will have most of the problems as they're laying off cops. It's the Phycos and child molesters that I want to see behind the walls..

[snarlbuckle]

I'm torn on this issue. I'm generally against the system that put them in there in the first place, but I don't really see any good way for these people to reintegrate with society at this time.

I will try to be objective here by taking a moment to pretend to step into their shoes. Lets assume that I had been hanging out with the wrong crowd when they got busted, and that I got a possession charge or maybe even intent to sell due to the presence of baggies that were used to contain the drugs. I may even have a paraphernalia charge to go with it all. Best case scenario, I get a 'get out of jail free' card due to the new legislation. The conviction is still on my record, but at least I'm not in jail... right? Ok, so now I will try to stay clean and get away from all of this mess. My first goal is to survive. So I need to find food, water, clothes, and shelter. Best case secenario, I'm young-ish and I can crash at my parents' place assuming they don't already hate my guts for going to jail. Otherwise, I have to stay at a friend's place or on the street. In all likelihood, my friends are the ones that got me into jail in the first place so that road will only lead back to the slammer. Ok, so I'm living at mom's house and it's a bummer. Now I need a job. Best case scenario, mom is very generous and drives me around to goodwill stores in the rich areas of town to get some nice clothes for my interviews. If I'm smart, I ask my sister or someone else for help writing a resume, and I groom myself very well before I head out every day. Even with a good appearance, a resume, and a positive attitude, I am having trouble finding a job. Nobody wants to hire someone who was not only incarcerated, but doesn't have much in the way of marketable skills. Employers aren't even hiring and when there is an open position it gets taken by someone who didn't come straight out of the slammer. If I'm really lucky, I get a low paying job and join the working poor for a few years while I work on developing more marketable skills. Most likely though, I'll get extremely frustrated with the system as a whole. If I don't find a job, then I collect unemployment or turn back to crime. What other options would I have?

After going through this thought process, my conclusion is that these people need a chance more than anything. While they do have a record, if we instantly label them as career criminals, then that is what they will become. This causes a further drain on our society as a whole. By all means be on your guard as crime will rise in the near future, but try to give these guys a chance to earn a better life for themselves.

[All Talk]

I say let 'em out (the non-violent ones) and legalize drugs. Why not thin out the potential zombie hordes BEFORE the schumer hits by way of simple darwinism. Now providing to kids should be severely punished for things like crack and heorien and meth, of course.

From the perspective of us preppers, legalizing drugs would have one or more of the following salutarious effects:

1) plenty of drugs widely available means a certain most-dangerous component of zombie hordes don't leave the urban centers until much later, with fewer resources and probably very drained by "end of the world" partying and bingeing.

2) undermining gang and MC power and wealth today, making them a less potent force in TEOWAKI

3) eliminating the rural scourge of meth labs and their proprietors -- if its legal, there is no money incentive for them to work out in the boonies (where we'll be)

4) reducing the police state that is far more threatening to your freedom (which is worth something) than your average perp's (which isn't worth anything anyway)

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Interesting opinions. Gives me a much better understanding of where some of you are coming from. I wholeheartedly disagree with some of you but so be it. Good luck out there

[Bull]

I agree that the war on drugs is very flawed. Obviously there are differences in the types of drugs and drug users. We just had a guy come to work, on a boat we all could not leave, in the middle of the ocean, and this guy was in a whole different world. He was walking around, staring intently, and aggressively at me and a few others, and attempting to instigate a fight. This guy was totally spaced out. That is an interested situation when you are stuck in close proximity for days at a time. Anyway, we went back to the dock and the cops and Coast Guard removed him. He refused a company drug test and was fired. Whatever this guy was on, was dangerous. We have worked with him for a few months, and this time, he was 180 degrees different than we had ever seen. Very dangerous. But, take your average pot smoker. By and large, these folks are harmless. Sure can get high on pot, drive off and kill someone, just the same as alcohol. But the choice to drive or do anything else that endangers others is different from the choice to smoke a joint. I don't know the numbers but I'm sure there are tons of people in jail who are there for marijuana related charges. I would much rather see those folks released than thieves, or violent criminals. Hell, our form of government promotes being worthless and lazy, through it's various welfare programs. Those people are a bigger problem in my book, than the guy who smokes some pot when he gets home from work. Anyway, just my opinion. I've been around plenty of pot smokers, who were perfectly responsible in all their affairs, and tax paying, otherwise law biding citizens, and productive members of society. Crack heads are completely different in my opinion. I may be wrong, but I doubt it. This is asinine. But hey, if a mayor can get re-elected after being caught smoking crack, then why not release a bunch of these folks? That was sarcasm BTW. There are plenty of people I wouldn't mind being released, but crackheads and crack dealers aren't on that list.

[arcangel911]

I don't know about the releasing them. Personally, I am more of the frame of the mind- "you do the crime, you do the time." I think that prisons are a far cry from what they once were. I enjoy the idea of making criminals give back to the community for what they have done wrong. I do not see anything wrong with chain gangs, road beautification crews and manual hard labor. What I do see wrong is them getting 5 square meals a day, free health and dental care (on my dime), free education, free utilities, free cable, gyms (some places have a 24/7 hour gym for them to use), and some also have widescreen TV's in the prison cells. Now am I saying that prison is a great place, not really.... but at the same time- I see why some criminals enjoy being returned to their cells.

As for drugs, I am not for legalizing anything anymore. I do enjoy a good beer and a hard beverage now and then, however I know my limit and know when to call a cab or a friend. That being said, as much as the pot smokers out there would like for us to legalize it, I think it is bad idea unfortunately. I have seen first hand, when people smoke too much of it, they become lethargic, uncaring, unmotivated and very very hungry. This would not work well in a PAW or SHTF if one of your members needs a little weed to chill out on.

But back to the subject of letting these criminals out, I think it is not in the best interest. What worries me is when SHTF, will they be released in large quantities or left to die in the cells? And if they are released, are they going to go home right away to enjoy their freedom or invade the neighborhoods and school areas where some of them have been located?

[RunAndGun]

I agree that the war on drugs is very flawed. Obviously there are differences in the types of drugs and drug users. We just had a guy come to work, on a boat we all could not leave, in the middle of the ocean, and this guy was in a whole different world. He was walking around, staring intently, and aggressively at me and a few others, and attempting to instigate a fight. This guy was totally spaced out. That is an interested situation when you are stuck in close proximity for days at a time. Anyway, we went back to the dock and the cops and Coast Guard removed him. He refused a company drug test and was fired. Whatever this guy was on, was dangerous. We have worked with him for a few months, and this time, he was 180 degrees different than we had ever seen. Very dangerous. But, take your average pot smoker. By and large, these folks are harmless. Sure can get high on pot, drive off and kill someone, just the same as alcohol. But the choice to drive or do anything else that endangers others is different from the choice to smoke a joint. I don't know the numbers but I'm sure there are tons of people in jail who are there for marijuana related charges. I would much rather see those folks released than thieves, or violent criminals. Hell, our form of government promotes being worthless and lazy, through it's various welfare programs. Those people are a bigger problem in my book, than the guy who smokes some pot when he gets home from work. Anyway, just my opinion. I've been around plenty of pot smokers, who were perfectly responsible in all their affairs, and tax paying, otherwise law biding citizens, and productive members of society. Crack heads are completely different in my opinion. I may be wrong, but I doubt it. This is asinine. But hey, if a mayor can get re-elected after being caught smoking crack, then why not release a bunch of these folks? That was sarcasm BTW. There are plenty of people I wouldn't mind being released, but crackheads and crack dealers aren't on that list.

+1 We are pretty much on the same page on this one.

[Triple-sod]

But back to the subject of letting these criminals out, I think it is not in the best interest. What worries me is when SHTF, will they be released in large quantities or left to die in the cells? And if they are released, are they going to go home right away to enjoy their freedom or invade the neighborhoods and school areas where some of them have been located?

Yeah thought about that myself, the chances are one way or another they’re getting out. Even if they were ‘left to die in the cells’ the chances are most wouldn’t be there for long. People can do some pretty astonishing things when they set their mind to it. That’s not even counting on them having help from the outside.

Defiantly something to think about location wise.

[Bull]

As for drugs, I am not for legalizing anything anymore. I do enjoy a good beer and a hard beverage now and then, however I know my limit and know when to call a cab or a friend. That being said, as much as the pot smokers out there would like for us to legalize it, I think it is bad idea unfortunately. I have seen first hand, when people smoke too much of it, they become lethargic, uncaring, unmotivated and very very hungry. This would not work well in a PAW or SHTF if one of your members needs a little weed to chill out on.

I see your point, but I've seen non pot smokers who are lazy, and worthless, and many pot smokers who work their butts off. I think that comes down to the individual. If you're prone to be lazy and you smoke it, maybe that makes it worse, but I think you are either lazy or not. There are huge numbers of people who are already lazy, lethargic, and unmotivated all on their own. That's why we have all these idiotic reality shows, video games, fast food restaurants, and fat kids. Again, I see your point, but I think with freedom comes the freedom to fail and make bad choices, and if these folks aren't harming me with an activity, then they should be able to it. I'm completely against welfare, so in my perfect world, without it, their poor behavior isn't going to cost someone else any money. I think the activity, in and of itself, is harmless, and it depends on the person how much of a problem it becomes. Some people can't handle alcohol, or access to video games, pornography, or even a credit card, without ruining their lives, but we can't control everyone. But in a SHTF scenario, there are definitely going to be a lot of druggies to have to worry about, as well as criminals in general. If they were released, and it was a SHTF scenario so bad, that they were released because of that, they are going to be full throttle ahead towards destruction and anarchy. These people are going to be a violent, unhinged mob. That is definitely something you don't want to be a around. But I'll bet that most would be abandoned, and begin going nuts in the prison, which would eliminate a whole bunch of them right there. Some may get out, but most would die.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

You know when I posted this it was to raise your awareness that criminal minded subjects were being mass dumped into the public with no jobs or even thoughts of what they are going to do because they didn't know they were getting out and with little to no money or hope. They are not just "crack dealers" they commit many other crimes in the process, usually violent. They are gang members who have learned how to work closley with others in violent atmospheres unlike alot of people, Their commo is second to none in code words, language, methods and cross culture processing. They have lifted weights and gotten into shape, have been fighting for stupid reasons inside but gaining skills along the way to include the art of edged weapons, something the majority of the public doesnt know, and learning anatomy and counter skills for holds and chokes that others have used against them in the past. Blood and placing hands on someone doesn't bother them as they have seen the elephant before having done time.
What your stance is on drugs, the war on drugs, politics, Law Enforcement or whatever is for you to decide, it wont change the minute when one of these shows up and "wants" what you have today, tommorow or later. Just tell'em your a smoker and anti-estblishment when they try and get your property and see if it helps you. They care less than I do, which would make it ZERO.
I'm telling you this so you can look at your plans and training and thought process for your safety because I deemed this a real threat to the general public and some folks on this site that I somewhat cared about as they have provided me valuable knowledge and skills over the past year and a half.
The talk is easy. Training and skills are harder. Sharing those skills and training is the hardest. What are you really offering when you post?

[qrprat77]

I'm telling you this so you can look at your plans and training and thought process for your safety because I deemed this a real threat to the general public and some folks on this site that I somewhat cared about as they have provided me valuable knowledge and skills over the past year and a half.
The talk is easy. Training and skills are harder. Sharing those skills and training is the hardest. What are you really offering when you post?

I agree 100%
reality is, the system trains bad people to be worse, not better. Good people need to train to be hard because there will be hard things to do in the future.
As a young man, my life was cheap to me. To die was better than to live because i rested in the knowledge that I'm serving God, nothing can defeat that.
I still believe that 100%
As a father now, though, I realize just how pricey my life is. My Kids are young, and still learning about the goodness of God, and His mercy. I know what Kids are like who don't grow up with a Dad, or any positive male role models, so I understand something now that I couldn't understand before, a father's life is precious to his family.
It took a long contemplation of this passage holding my first born to appreciate my role as a husband and father:

32 I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. 33 But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, 34 and his interests are divided. And the unmarried or betrothed woman is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit. But the married woman is anxious about worldly things, how to please her husband. 35 I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord.

1 Corinthians 7:32-35 ESV
The conclusion I arrived at was that a father can never be devoted to God unless his family is taken care of first.
That means financially, emotionally, spiritually, and physically.
If you are not ready to accept that, you aren't ready for a family.

[Klayton]

I always wondered how some people can be against legalizing certain drugs but are all for a cold beer? Cocaine use to be legal in America (in case you didn't know), and you know what you can't find 1% of the fatalities caused by legal alcohol use tied to the legal use of cocaine in its day. Yet we still allow alcohol (not on Sunday, because we are freedom of religion-as long as you follow our religion rules-LOL). Just last week there is someone that has been arrested for his umpteen DWI and the police state they cannot do anything about it (this was on FOX News), ummm how about do your freaking jobs and lock the prick up before he kills somebody?

My point? Too many people are brainwashed about the effects of now illegal cocaine and marijuana, and dually brainwashed that alcohol is all so good for us... Just amazes me is all...

For the record, I do NOT experiment, do NOT "not inhale", do NOT drink alcohol, yes I am kind of boring that way. But hey, I got some alcohol in my stash for SHTF bartering... LOL