trigger events.. turning points.. obama/israel

[rockriver]

what events will we look back on and say.. that was a warning. that was a trigger event that we should have paid better attention to..
the event that set a following scenario into motion. a warning shot shall we say.
there were 2 last week imhaso (in my humble and solemn opinion)
1.. a very large bond trading/holding company announced that they had sold off all of their holdings
of america's treasury notes/bonds... saying that america may not be able to fulfill the obligation. (i have no link.. but 2 separate associates called to discuss it so i'm presuming it to be accurate)

2. america has chosen to tell israel to negotiate away their own land and part of jerusalem to their enemies.

#1 is bad, real bad indicator of the financial stability our the usa.
#2 puts the usa on the losing side of a real nasty fight.

i better get more serious about what's going on...

[rice paddy daddy]

I view Obama's Mid-East policy as very dangerous. He has already alienated most or all of our traditional European allies, and now is bumbling about in the most dangerous region of the world.
Not only do most muslims see him as weak and ineffectual, but the extremeists are going to be emboldened by his support of the Muslim Brotherhood rebels in several countries, and his clear disdain and contempt of Israel.
If Israel gets backed far enough into a corner that they are forced to defend themselves with nuclear weapons...............................
I, for one, do not even wish to envision that scenario.
Obama has already shown himself to be equal to our worst President in history, Jimmy Carter. I hope he is not the direct cause of the end of mankind.
The election of 2012 may be the least of our worries.
And, yes, I'm serious.

[Klingon]

I think history will look back upon the last decade or so of the 1900's and the first decade of the 2000's as the "Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama cabal". Bush 1 was the guy who said "no new taxes" and "...New World Order" just after heading up the CIA. Clinton- well, !*/?#!&?*! etc. Bush 2 and Obama have both done stellar jobs of ramping it up at breakneck speed. The excesses of the last twenty years in all arenas should be quite telling in restrospect, and in the future our time may be viewed as a real frog-boiling that was orchestrated so carefully that "we" couldn't quite pick out a big enough or clear enough trigger. Maybe just the ruminations of one who has been paying attention for about twenty-five years. They call 'em elections but I say that's a typo- the correct spelling is 'escalations'.

[monkeybird]

We are indeed in dangerous times. After the WWII Holocaust, the Jews said 'never again'. This has been said frequently by Israelis and American Jews. Never again! I certainly believe they mean it. I would NOT sit back and be annihilated by the Palestinians either.

Why Obama made this speech when he did, on the eve of the official visit by the Israeli Prime Minister, makes absolutely no sense. WHY now, with 8 middle eastern countries having massive chaos and governmental overthrow. If the man was orchestrating a major war he could not do a better job.

I believe there is a hidden agenda. I believe the U.S. stock market and precious metals exchange are being manipulated. I believe we are all sitting on powder keg awaiting the explosion!

[Matt In Oklahoma]

america has chosen to tell israel to negotiate away their own land and part of jerusalem to their enemies.

No we didn't, dummy did, but we didnt and he got told back!

[Klayton]

I am very concerned about 2012, just today at school the "give me" generation were talking about how they had to help Hussein win in 2012 because he is the only one that understands them.

I wanted to PUKE!!

I argue with my classmates on a pretty regular basis, them and their "give me" mentality.
Allow me to share a story of our latest argument.

One of them asked me what I did for the weekend, and I told them I took my family out to dinner and we had a great meal.
She asked me how much was my meal, and I told her it was a little over $100 (me, wife, sister-in-law, and kid).
Comments came from her friends "how could you spend that much for a meal?" I just gave that girl a "go-to-hell look"
So she then asked me how much I tipped my waitress (yes it was a waitress and not a waiter), I told her I gave my waitress $5.00!
She then went off how much of a cheap skate I was for only leaving $5.00 and not 20%!
So I educated this naive free loading give-me mentality generation kid.
I asked her how long is our pharmacy tech course?
She replied 7 months.
I asked her don't we have to do a background check, be fingerprinted, photographed also?
She replied, yes.
After we do ALL of this, how much is our starting pay on average?
She replied correctly $12/hr.
So I then asked her, do you know the requirements and training of a waitress?
She didn't know. So I told her, I can safely say they do not go through 7 months of training, very little if any background check, and their photograph and fingerprints are not maintained by the government because of their employment.
So you are telling me this girl deserves MORE money than me per hour based on the fact that she wrote down an order, gave it to someone else to cook, and brought us our drinks + 1 refill, and our meals when they were ready to be served?
She said 20% is the norm.
I said 20% is the norm that you are brainwashed into paying, by other people who believe in the "spread the wealth" mentality.
Just because I have made good choices in my life and can afford to take my family out to eat to a nice restaurant, how does that automatically imply that I have to pay some girl more than $20 an hour, to do what any highschool drop out could do?

So then I spun it around on her, didn't you say you had your neighbor kid mow your grass?
She said, yes.
How much did you pay him?
She said, ten bucks.
So let me get this straight, some girl who wrote down an order, made 3 deliveries to our table (total of what 5 minutes actual work) deserves $20 because it is ME paying, but the kid who mowed your lawn and actually did physical labor for atleast 30 minutes, you paid him only $10.00.
She said, yes, thats a fair price.

At this point a lightbulb went off with some of her friends. But unfortunately not her.

Think outside the box people!!!
% paid incomes are a scam! i have bought five houses in my life and sold four, and NEVER paid the 6% realtors think they deserve. NEVER!!

[Klingon]

How about Arne Duncan and his SWAT action on student loans? (see Sipsey Street 06/11, second post.) These Feds are going nutso!

[monkeybird]

I hope that home owner gets a good lawyer. If anyone needs suing it's the governmental agency responsibly for this outrage. As far as I know, not paying your student loan is a non-violent crime. I'm still wondering the real reason the whole thing came about?

[Sech]

"I said 20% is the norm that you are brainwashed into paying, by other people who believe in the "spread the wealth" mentality."

Gosh Klingon you keep that attitude up you wont be getting any Christmas cards from the democrats this year........bahwaaaa

Steve

[Klayton]

I think you meant me and not Klingon? But I do not care about most Democrats and normally do not associate with them at all.
That being said, I tip my barber almost 50%, does that count? LOL sorry, waitresses and realtors really tick me off when they expect 20%/6% for their VERY little work based solely on how much I AM willing to spend on a meal/house.

[miked2345]

What cracks me up is that 15% use to be the standard tip for a waitress.... Now they want 18% or 20%. If you ask them why, they will say "Well, we need more cause the cost of living has gone up!!"

So let's think about that for a moment... Has the cost of living gone up? Yup. Does it cost more to eat out? Yup. The wife and I now spend over $50 for a meal that cost us around $35 - $40 just a few years ago. But wait..... Isn't 15% of $50 MORE than 15% of $35?? uhhh, yup.

So isn't the wait staff getting more? Yup. Do I feel guilty about not paying 20% ?? Nope.

[monkeybird]

How did we get on the topic of tipping in a trigger event thread?

[Klingon]

The entitlement attitude plus hyperinflation is a tipping point...

[Bill Spies]

I wouldn't mind giving if people wern't so eager to take (or demand).

[jimmydiablo]

I wouldn't mind giving if people wern't so eager to take (or demand).

Exactly, could not have said it better.