Gov confiscation of food and guns

[protus]

I'm not hiding from anything. Never have and never will. I don't think it's unreal to talk about the role of gov. in our lives and our cities and families.

i dont think anyone really hides in the sense for dear of the .gov. It is also not unreal to talk about what role TPTB will have in certain scenerios.
Sometimes it is best to outline what type of event the gov is dealing with, how they may deal with it, what plans they may attivate, how they may respond.
But unless your part of it , it is speculation.
But , metal war gaming in a way helps, understand what may happen. Like we do with prep planning. "what if..".

maybe lay out what event you wanna discuss and folks will chime in on how they think the gov etc will re act.




bull...your borderline on going around the word filter, try and mellow it down next time alright. thanks.
(FWIW i cuss like a sailor but not here)

[crossbow]

Thanks for the replies and the info, all good comments. Im very private about my preps, but think of the gov's actions in the past and it will give you a good idea of what they will do in the future. There is no good answer to this question and surely it is something we need to talk about and plan for, I don't agree that we should not talk about the gov, the could come from the city, stats and federal gov and yes they do take things with no authority. I just don't want to do all the prep and just have it taken. I plan to hide and more hiding and not saying a word to any one. Now guns are another story-- the gov already has all the records they need to come and pay you a visit. I'm not trying to scare anyone or make things up, just being real with real possibilities. Thanks so much for the info and thoughts.

Psssss, you were very private about your preps til you posted here, now the world knows, Again i don't think our government or any foriegn troops will ever go house to house taking anything, maybe if you owned a gun or ammo factory they would close it up or if you owned a few thousand acreas of wheat,corn or rice they would take it as they think they know better how to use it than you do during a severe depression, and that would only be if things got really bad.

[2682nscovell]

Here's the bottom line...

Simply don't call attention on yourself. When SHTF do all you can do to not make people assume you have food and ammo.

Here's a good (yet dangerous) suggestion. Let's say something happened in this country. For the most part everyone is on their own in some way. However, the government has created a food rationing system where anyone that needs food needs to get in line. By doing this the ones that won't get in line are the ones who need to be inspected. My point is that you should get in line. Play the game... Make anyone think you're suffering just the same.

[Tofu]

Here's a good (yet dangerous) suggestion. Let's say something happened in this country. For the most part everyone is on their own in some way. However, the government has created a food rationing system where anyone that needs food needs to get in line. By doing this the ones that won't get in line are the ones who need to be inspected. My point is that you should get in line. Play the game... Make anyone think you're suffering just the same.

Good point if the food line was formed in the wake of something other than a pandemic and the region is quarantined. This is a good plan to remain under the radar while in plain site, in addition it will allow you extend your preps even further. Because our benevolent government can only do this for so long take advantage of every advantage you can get.

[crossbow]

One problem with government food lines, the government gave away all the food yrs ago, right now there is less food of every kind grown and when there is a surplus, it seems like the frost or a torranado gets it first.Everyone should just quietly stock up on what they think they'll need and don't even think about someone coming to the rescue, mention stocking up and prepping to a few friends and relatives and if they laugh, just laugh with them and forget it, when the SHsTF, just one of you will still be laughing.

[2682nscovell]

One problem with government food lines, the government gave away all the food yrs ago, right now there is less food of every kind grown and when there is a surplus, it seems like the frost or a torranado gets it first.Everyone should just quietly stock up on what they think they'll need and don't even think about someone coming to the rescue, mention stocking up and prepping to a few friends and relatives and if they laugh, just laugh with them and forget it, when the SHsTF, just one of you will still be laughing.

True about the lines, but to falsely make yourself one of the people needing food then it would keep eyes off of who you really are. I for some reason think of a Sherlock Holmes story where a woman was searching for her lost husband. Holmes discovers that her husband has been playing a homeless beggar for some time. He was making a lot of money while having money and success already.

[Lowdown3]

I remember in the mid 90's one of my biggest turn offs from the patriot movement was the sense of hopelessness that ran through a lot of people. It went kinda like this-

First a 30 minute tirade about the NWO, the upcoming assault on freedom loving patriots, etc.

Then you'd say "well brother what are you DOING to prepare for that? You buy any weapons, store any food, etc?"

Usually you'd get the paranoid glance sideways like "da man" was standing right there already ready to swoop down, then the answers went a lot like this-

"If I buy a gun, then they'll know who I am and I'll be on a list."
"If I store food, then they will confiscate it and put me in a detention camp."
"If I met up with others I'll be on a list."

I listened to this crap for a long time. Finally I wrote an article about this type of thinking and explained that these types of people were ALREADY LIVING UNDER COMMUNISM. They had SELF IMPOSED this fear, and while some of it was and remains rationale, a lot of it was NOT.

Those folks are NOT going to be the ones surviving to rebuild this country with us. Their families will starve cause they were afraid to put some food back, or their families will be killed because they were afraid to buy a weapon for fear of being on a "list."

Guys, it's called PSY OPS and the military has spent billions of our tax dollars developing and researching it.

Sun Tzu talks about defeating your enemy before you ever reach the battlefield. People like this are already defeated- in their mind. Fantasies about playing one man resistance fighter aside, these people will submit easily. Why? Because if they don't have the kehonees (sp) to take a chance NOW when times are good and this stuff is legal, they damn sure aren't going to stand up when the time comes. I don't care what they say. Walter Mitty one man resistance fighter fantasies aside, if they are too scared to do anything now, they WILL be too scared later.

If your afraid of storing food now cause one day the boogeyman MIGHT come and take it, forgetaboutit. Your living in fear and you won't be effective for yourself let alone for anyone else.

I think we saw just how effective the gubmint can be with Katrina. I really think we have more to worry about with the dragbutt grasshoppers that are everywhere in society now versus fearing "da man" making large scale post apoc collections of food and guns.

That being said, we should always plan for anything and everything. Railing on about "shooting the buggers" on an internet forum is a dumb way to go about it. You should never show all your cards.

I don't mind a little conspiracy talk here, but let's focus more on SOLUTIONS to the potential problem versus just the problem and the resulting fear. 3 pages and little solutions.

How about some solutions to this dilemna if it ever DID come up.

[EX121]

I don't think this may be a great problem & appreciate Lowdown's comments. How about a 'false pantry" from which the bad guys can grab the stuff, and have your real supplies somewhere else. I don't really see this as a solution since I couldn't do it at my place, just from the lack of space.
My only thought is, what can I do to prepare & plan for the care of my family. If I don't think I can do anything about it I don't worry about it. I'm not saying I stick my head in the sand, which leaves another part of my body exposed, but I can only be responsible for myself. Like the old adage don't borrow tomorrows troubles for todays concern.

[2682nscovell]

I remember in the mid 90's one of my biggest turn offs from the patriot movement was the sense of hopelessness that ran through a lot of people. It went kinda like this-

First a 30 minute tirade about the NWO, the upcoming assault on freedom loving patriots, etc.

Then you'd say "well brother what are you DOING to prepare for that? You buy any weapons, store any food, etc?"

Usually you'd get the paranoid glance sideways like "da man" was standing right there already ready to swoop down, then the answers went a lot like this-

"If I buy a gun, then they'll know who I am and I'll be on a list."
"If I store food, then they will confiscate it and put me in a detention camp."
"If I met up with others I'll be on a list."

I listened to this crap for a long time. Finally I wrote an article about this type of thinking and explained that these types of people were ALREADY LIVING UNDER COMMUNISM. They had SELF IMPOSED this fear, and while some of it was and remains rationale, a lot of it was NOT.

Those folks are NOT going to be the ones surviving to rebuild this country with us. Their families will starve cause they were afraid to put some food back, or their families will be killed because they were afraid to buy a weapon for fear of being on a "list."

Guys, it's called PSY OPS and the military has spent billions of our tax dollars developing and researching it.

Sun Tzu talks about defeating your enemy before you ever reach the battlefield. People like this are already defeated- in their mind. Fantasies about playing one man resistance fighter aside, these people will submit easily. Why? Because if they don't have the kehonees (sp) to take a chance NOW when times are good and this stuff is legal, they damn sure aren't going to stand up when the time comes. I don't care what they say. Walter Mitty one man resistance fighter fantasies aside, if they are too scared to do anything now, they WILL be too scared later.

If your afraid of storing food now cause one day the boogeyman MIGHT come and take it, forgetaboutit. Your living in fear and you won't be effective for yourself let alone for anyone else.

I think we saw just how effective the gubmint can be with Katrina. I really think we have more to worry about with the dragbutt grasshoppers that are everywhere in society now versus fearing "da man" making large scale post apoc collections of food and guns.

That being said, we should always plan for anything and everything. Railing on about "shooting the buggers" on an internet forum is a dumb way to go about it. You should never show all your cards.

I don't mind a little conspiracy talk here, but let's focus more on SOLUTIONS to the potential problem versus just the problem and the resulting fear. 3 pages and little solutions.

How about some solutions to this dilemna if it ever DID come up.

Good points, I still think my idea about blending in to the needy unprepared folks would be a good form of defense. I actually would use this not in fear of the government but against the ghetto white and black trash that lives all around me.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Matt Where did all that come from? I just asked a question and it turns into I better be careful

The "question" stated "Shoot them?". Perhaps I was a bit over the top however talking about fighting it out with the gov is not something to be messed with. I only want you to be careful with the direction you are taking that as a conspiracy charge is not wanted I'm sure. Simply stating that you are going to is enough to cause issues.
The rest did not come from me and I can't address that. I am not going to be one to question your religion, my walk is more of a crater filled stumble and unworthy.
The solution was to "Hide it? Yes from everyone not just anyone in particular" and the road blocks, wether our gov or private citizens who want what you have, was addressed as well stating that if they are there it is too late, in other words the solution is to move it before it gets to that point or to have it prepostioned. Once martial law is established which can be in hours say after a weather event it is too late.

The remainder of my conversation was clearly not directed to you and labeled as such. I apologize if it offended you however I do not apologize for speaking out on conspiracy theory stuff which does more harm than good by attempting to segregate everyone with paranoid rants.

[WiseOwl]

Amen Lowdown, we think a lot alike. Cant wait to get to a gathering and converse someday

[Bull]

@ Protus - I'll try to mellow out. Sorry for being offensive to anyone if I was, and thanks for keeping me in check. I'll dial it down a few notches.
@ Luckie - I wasn't meaning to rail on you or anything. I was just trying to express my thoughts that, if the government was inclined to violate our rights in such a manner, I really can't think of any realistic way to prep for that, besides just living right to avoid giving them a reason, and hoping they don't. The only other way I can think of to deal with the government getting to that point, was stated by the founding fathers regarding the Declaration of Independence, and surely raises eyebrows if suggested now a days, and noticed by the wrong person in such government. I guess when I read your question, my mind went to worst case, government completely overshadowing every part of our lives and doing whatever they want when TSHTF in any serious way, type scenario. Obama ran on a campaign of change, and said he would "fundamentally transform" America. So did Hitler. But sorry, I can let my imagination go. If there was some local natural disaster or terrorist attack, I would be glad to help because it is my community, but only to a degree, and under my discretion. I guess the specifics make a big difference and I just leapt to worst case. Sorry again. I guess the best way to prep for that is to be an informed voter, and try to help create other informed voters.

[Luckie]

Thanks

Again thanks to all. My question was just that a question, a question a few of us prepers had one day. I just wanted to see how you all felt and if there were any different ideas that I did not think of. It seems we all have some level of the same solution and that is good to know. Marching forward, being prepared is the best we can. Tell next time--thanks, I enjoy this forum a lot.....

[protus]

I just leapt to worst case

I think many do and that is what cause's some of the issues. It is never..oh they approved the new anti xyz bill in congress which would lead to xyz..... Its " OHH cuban para troopers in my back yard...run to da hills..." fight fight now...
Just like when you say SHTF how many think broken arm with keeps you out of work? or do you think zombies, red dawn, and a earth destroying death ray from planet X? It seems to be either one extreme or another.

once folks see that,calm down and focus on the imediate issue they will start and see what they can change vs what they cant,

[Mikeg175]

I think the best to handle all this is a low profile , don't raise flags , don't get pointed at by the neighbors as that bunker type guy . I have a family member in the hills of Appalachia and if you went down the rural road on which he lives , you would see ( if you cleared all the trees ) his ratty trailer sitting on the side of the mountain , with a few ratty cars and some hounds running around . You would think ok typical hillbilly and keep on driving , but when you actually got an invite past the metal gate to come up the drive and entered the house , your jaw would drop . He has excavated about 50 yards into the side of the mountain and his insides are like walking into a model home . He has a gun shop , a gun range with ventilation , its only a 100 ft range , but still good enough for testing . He has a storage area the size of most peoples living rooms . It was a shocker to enter his house and see the extent of what went on inside his ratty trailer , but being family , he grew up with my mother , we were able to get a tour that was a huge eye opener . He drives old ford pickups and old Jeeps , but if you pop the hood , they look like new and run like new . I wanted to have something like myself , but I have to admit Im vain and like my house to look as good or better then my neighbors .
So in essence if your arent on any anti-govt hate sites and going to the crazy rallies and acting like a nutjob , it shouldnt be a huge issue , keep a low profile and OPSEC to the max and you shouldnt even ding the radar .