Rawls urges "Move to Mountain States"

[buttebob]

I think Rawls lives in northern Idaho, but he may live in northwestern Montana. The price of land in that part of Montana ( Flathead Lake) is very expensive. Any land around the major cities is expensive.
I don't worry that much about nuclear warheads raining from the sky. I worry more about one nuclear warhead being launched from a ship off the eastern coast and exploding high above Kansas. I think back to Iran's missile tests of a few years ago and then later their test to launch from a ship.
Which was successful. And now two ships in the Med. These people are wanting to die. Their looking forward to it so they can go to heaven.

[bushrat]

I would move to Idaho in a heartbeat. And in fact, am making plans to eventually accomplish that sometime in the next 2 years (if things hold off that long). Idaho is beautiful country, which a wide range of mountains, hills, and desert. I consider it to have a moderate climate with few extremes (although, like any other location weather can vary somewhat from year to year). There is a good variety of wild game, and from central ID on to the north there is usually plenty of water. The state is conservative, with relaxed gun laws. In the past it has been a bit pricey on land values, but I think that has changed somewhat the last few years. I'm sure the state is not perfect (what is in this world today), but will be hard to beat as a great place to enjoy life and even raise a family if you are still young. My biggest complaint is that the gun shows tend to be fairly small compared to OK and other places in the South and Midwest.

[protus]

. He also writes about all of the preps one should add to a retreat that would add up into the thousands of dollars..All good if you have the money to throw at moving and then adding updates. Many people don't.

time and effort.

He has been at it longer than 95% of the people that follow his blog.
That means most would need to catch up 20 years worth of preparing.

Most today can not, put the time or effort in to get to xyz level.
How can one buy a retreat if they have the boat,new car, suburban house that was bought when the housing bubble was at its peak...

so instead, they drop the few hundred every so often to "prep" in place instead.

This is where lifestyle comes into play, if the were even slightly preparing, the house wouldnt be where it was, they would have paid off debt instead of the new car.......



everyone starts off at some point. Some at a younger age,,some way older . But like most things if people want it. they will get it.
It took me 8 years to become 98% debt free ( i use my CC now and then, for online orders - but gets paid off every 3-4 months vs 3-4 years) I own all that i have ( 2 cars etc). But thats 8 years dedicated to being a cheap tight wad!! On top of prepping like most.
Was it a hard to choice to pack 10 buckets of xyz or buy that new multicam back pack ,,,,,was it buy the 300$ chest rig set up or spend that 300$ to pay off a bil.....


If everyone panics or trys to keep up with the jones's because they feel its getting bad, it will jusr make things worse for them
Slow and steady wins the race....hmm.who else here has said that LOL.....

[Mjollnir]

Yeah... I lived in Northern Idaho for a couple years, eastern Washington for a year and spent years working for the railroad in the whole Pacific Northwest. While tanks may not get through the mountains very well there is is something that has never had a problem getting through that area..........FIRE! It is the reason the wife and I decided to move back east. We were living in Fruitland, Washington when our decision to move east was made for us. 4th of July weekend 2003, some college kids were boating on the Franklin Roosevelt Reservoir(2 miles due west of the homestead), drinking and shooting fireworks onto the shore. Did I mention May 1st was the last precipitation we had seen and then it was only light flurries.

The result of their drunken idiocy..... they started fires that burnt over 8000 acres on the Coleville Indian Reservation side of the reservoir to the west and over 1500 acres on the Spokane Indian Reservation on the eastern side of the reservoir were we lived. For two weeks we had thick smoke and peices of ash the size of softballs floating around our place. They managed to get it stopped at the last firebreak but just barely. We had our motor home packed and ready to go at a moments notice. While our place was saved, our sense of confidence and security had been torched.

So yes, while tanks may have a tough time in the mountains there....... a little drought(which is typically the norm) and some good winds and it would be all too easy to clear the majority of the area with a "wildfire". Those who don't get burned or smoked out could be helped with government "disaster aid. Not trying to get tin foil hat-ish here but if he thinks the g0v would use tanks on citizens then he should realize they would have no quarrel burning people out either(just ask the folks in Waco on both accounts).

Sorry for the rant but felt it needed saying.

[Yeti]

I've only been to Montana & Idaho a few times.
I liked it each time I went there.
Pluses to me are the Low Population Density and the Mentality of the folks around there.
But I'll take Virginia any day of the week.

Working in the city and living out in the mountains is a choice I've made. Right now I'm a practical distance away for commuting and living decently.
That and even when we have rain shortages here, water is still plentiful.

[Rmplstlskn]

But I'll take Virginia any day of the week.

I concur... Are there better places? Sure! Are their worst places? Without doubt! But many areas in VA have a good mix of everything needed to survive whatever... It is no wonder Thomas Jefferson chose my area for his home, Monticello, and his University, UVa...

As long as the Elenin & Nibiru people are not right about pole shifts... LOL!

[tech]

Living that close downwind of some serious seismic activity doesn't seem too prepper-oriented to me. A large part of surviving is not putting yourself in situations that require your preps :)

Just my quick thoughts on trading one set of circumstances for another...

[Deep Operator]

The Northwest has a lot of pro-survival dynamics, but Appalachia is also good and so are parts of interior New England. The amazing thing is that all three of these places have one major attribute in common, hmmmm I wonder what that is?? :o

D.O

[WiseOwl]

I vote for Appalachia. I know of some uninhabited Hollers that I could disappear into never to be found......and you could look all day.

[Rmplstlskn]

The more I look at recent earth changes and possible gravitational stresses, the more I do not want to be anywhere near Yellowstone and other seismic and geothermal instabilities... Basically the entire northwest region..

I think our Appalachian and Blue Ridge areas offer a stable platform (until you get to the New Madrid area)...

[WiseOwl]

The more I look at recent earth changes and possible gravitational stresses, the more I do not want to be anywhere near Yellowstone and other seismic and geothermal instabilities... Basically the entire northwest region..

I think our Appalachian and Blue Ridge areas offer a stable platform (until you get to the New Madrid area)...

Exactly......back when I was into the whole "end of the world" crap (early 2000's) , I came across a group called the Zetas with some Nancy lady that did weekly vids. I always thought they were "comet riders" but they did have one good bit of info and that was where "their alien leaders" told them which areas would be safe.......Appalachia was on that list. Plus, the Appalachians are some of the oldest mountains in the world....with plenty of "hidey holes" to bug out to if it got real nasty......I repeat, these people are nuts and I don't take anything they say serious.

I honestly think the Cubs will win a World Series or the Clippers will win an NBA Championship before any of this happens.....the Mayans, well the true Mayans, Humbutz Men (sp) think us westerners are crazy from coming up with the end of their long count calendar being the end of the world. But hey, people profit off of doom. I cant wait to see how many people starting about Oct-Nov 2012 start stockpiling and prepping because of the impending doom........

Dec 21 2012 I will be probably sitting on the back porch around the fire drinking a good beer..........and eating Pinecones (Matt....lol)

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Dec 21 2012 I will be probably sitting on the back porch around the fire drinking a good beer..........and eating Pinecones (Matt....lol)

LOL Ya know if we die right here in Oklahoma, cause I didnt head me and my family for them recommended pinecone hills, I'll be just fine with that. Someone else can sit around and do the haha told ya so and tell their children what "fools" we were. Amazing to me that all these prophets have this knowledge bestowed on them and have been sent here to lead us foolish unwise children to the promised land because they "Know" what will happen and yet have been consistantly wrong since the late 80s when I started following this stuff because I'm still here. There are worse things than dying at home. We have lost 11 in Afganistan since the state deployment to include someone else I knew this week.

[WiseOwl]

^^^^^^Amen Brother^^^^^^

No one will ever know......well I can tell you if Obama gets re-elected we will be close...

[Hit or Miss]

First off, I love Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho. Would I move there if I could ?... probably, but I live here now. I want the knowledge and skills to survive here. I want the courage to survive here. I want LMI around me to survive here. Every corner of this country is going to need strong, reasonable, patriotic survivors when things turn really ugly. I hope it doesn't come to that, but I prepare for it.

[Grinnan Barrett]

It is fine if your circumstances are right. However, most of us have things like jobs, family, friends, and preps in place where we are. Montana, Idaho, and the rest of the American Redoubt as it is called by Mr. Rawles is beautiful country. However, it is not where I am from. I live in an area where my friends are more than just acquaintances. I am invested in where I am from. I will stick it out here in Texas.