EMP effects on Motor Vehicles. Got this off JWR's site

[Explo]

When talking about CME's, from what I understand, the EMP isnt the thing to worry about. An EMP is just an inconvenience. The primary problem is neutrino bombardment. Neutrinos fill electrical components, giving them the conductivity properities of rubber. Rendering them useless and unsalvagable. All electrical devices.
If/when that happens, it will take aproximately 3 yrs before engineers will be able to create electricity in a lab. Figue in another couple of years until it's viable for manufacturing. So, a minimum of 5 years before we're able to begin manufacturing of any kind. IMO
Personally, I'm attempting to gear for 7 years until society is back on its way to being on its feet. So I'm purposely spending the extra money to buy the best quality gear available. I'm talking about primary gear of course.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

When talking about CME's, from what I understand, the EMP isnt the thing to worry about. An EMP is just an inconvenience. The primary problem is neutrino bombardment. Neutrinos fill electrical components, giving them the conductivity properities of rubber. Rendering them useless and unsalvagable. All electrical devices.
If/when that happens, it will take aproximately 3 yrs before engineers will be able to create electricity in a lab. Figue in another couple of years until it's viable for manufacturing. So, a minimum of 5 years before we're able to begin manufacturing of any kind. IMO
Personally, I'm attempting to gear for 7 years until society is back on its way to being on its feet. So I'm purposely spending the extra money to buy the best quality gear available. I'm talking about primary gear of course.

Well thats enlightening! and terrifying

[monkeybird]

A neutrino (Italian pronunciation: [neuˈtriːno], meaning "small neutral one"; English pronunciation: /njuːˈtriːnoʊ/) is an elementary particle that usually travels close to the speed of light, is electrically neutral, and is able to pass through ordinary matter almost unaffected. This makes neutrinos extremely difficult to detect. Neutrinos have a very small, but nonzero rest mass. They are denoted by the Greek letter ν (nu).
Neutrinos are similar to the more familiar electron, with one crucial difference: neutrinos do not carry electric charge. Because neutrinos are electrically neutral, they are not affected by the electromagnetic forces which act on electrons. Neutrinos are affected only by a "weak" sub-atomic force of much shorter range than electromagnetism, and are therefore able to pass through great distances within matter without being affected by it. As neutrinos have mass, they interact gravitationally with other massive particles. Gravity, however, is by far the weakest of the four known forces.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino

Another site is "The Ultimate Neutrino Page" is linked below.

http://cupp.oulu.fi/neutrino/

I would love a reference verifying that Neutrinos affect electronic or electrical equipment. I have searched for such a source and cannot find it.

[BLDU]

If a coronal mass ejection (CME) were to occur, the earth would be subject to neutrino bombardment on a scale never before seen. How this impacts electrical equipment, we'll get to later. The initial affects of a CME would be due the overwhelmingly strong electromagnetic currents that would sweep across the earth. These strong currents alone would be enough to short transformers and knock out power grids. We saw evidence of this in 1989 when a solar flair knocked out power to most of Quebec. The X class flair that hit Quebec was considered small in comparison to a flair that occurred in 1859 that knocked out telegraph lines throughout North America and Europe. The main difference in the overall topic is that these two mentioned events were merely solar flairs, they weren't CMEs. During the CME the earth wouldn't only be subject to intense electromagnetic currents, but also neutrino bombardment. Neutrinos in great enough concentrations do just as their names imply, they can literally neutralize atoms, making the electron's movement around an atom retard or completely halt. Without the free flow of electrons around an atom, an atom becomes non-conductive. So, what were once great electrical conductors would act just the opposite. In fact, the ability to produce electric flow would be completely inhibited. Solar flairs do not carry with them the same amount of neutrinos as a CME would, that is why the blackouts experienced by solar flairs can be rapidly repaired. If a CME were to hit and a neutrino bombardment were to occur, it wouldn't simply be a matter of throwing up new equipment (i.e., lines, transformers, breakers, etc.) we would have to completely re-manufacture all of those items out of materials not affected by the bombardment. It would be a terribly long process. I'm a solar weather technician for the Department of Defense, so hopefully I've been able to clear a few things up about this. Explo pretty much got this exactly right.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

BLDU If a guys plans involved following a large powerline grid to get back home if/when vehicles fail would it be safe to travel underneath them? When folks say fry everything is that like pop it dont work or sizzle, gets hot and falls after partially cooking to burn whatever is underneath like brush, grass or an aging smartelick survivalist ?

[BLDU]

After the event, the lines will be rendered useless. So traveling underneath them wouldn't really be a problem at all. Electricity will not be able to flow through them.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

@ BLDU Thanks

[Patriot Prepper]

I am planning my survival in the event of a complete break down of all modern conveniences including electricity, gasoline, water, etc. The survival of my group will not be dependent on what happens. It will be dependent on how prepared we are.

I truly believe, if we are to survive, we need to prepare for the worse (including EMPs). Until I see more conclusive proof that an EMP attack would not wipe out electronics, I will do what I can to protect against them. I will also be prepared to live without any form of electrical devices including automobiles.

If things completely fall apart, there is a chance that they will be permanent and that another nation will be entering American soil - the only thing we can depend upon is the firepower and other resources we have stored up. I am hoping that things don't get that bad. But if they do, be prepared.

[monkeybird]

NASA and NOAA have reported that the largest solar flare in years was released by the sun on valentine's day. China lost communications and other electronic equipment. Affects to be felt until the 22nd.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110217...20110217095946

[Grinnan Barrett]

Hope it is true. Key word is government test.

[Bearman202]

Anybody have any idea of how neutrinos affect gunpowder? I know they affect electronics, but what ELSE do they affect? Anybody know? As Patriot Prepper said, if we lose it all, electrical, electronic, etc. and another country doesn't, it wouldn't take much for them to fly over and tell us to "stick 'em up." If they have functioning armor, we're screwed. I have no faith whatever that the .gov has prepared for this. I remember reading that they did put out some guidelines, and the defense contractors that were to upgrade immediately asked for a waiver and received it. i.e. they're doing business as usual, building stuff that's not shielded at all. Sigh. Of course, it could be that they believe that in the case of a CME it won't matter, in which case they were probably right in asking for a waiver, but I would like to at least have the illusion that there is some protection of some of the more vital areas. Hopefully, we'll never know....