Kubotan and How To Use It

[kilogulf59]

Why fight fair in the first place? I have no qualms using a weapon if my assailant is empty-handed...

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Why fight fair in the first place? I have no qualms using a weapon if my assailant is empty-handed...

you should never fight fair unless it's a competition designed just for that but i just want everyone here to be able to go home after the interview and still be employed. Didnt mean to be a d... but i am sometimes, take it as passion rather than total jerk attitude please. If a feller was to knock in someones head with a 3lb ball ping that rides on the road grater after said thug was to hassle hard working county guy doing his job just cause he got dust on stupids truck or if a minimag light that one carried in his pocket, to check engines and such, was used like a kubotan to hurt more than the thugs feelings well then nothing would never be said most likely by neither law nor boss but having a weapon that is illegal in all ways, shapes and form leaves little choice in anyones decisions and makes you the badguy as well in the publics mind. Don't put them in that position, instead make'em laugh when the DA/AUSA reads the report that says snotnose BG got beatup by hardworkin GG for being stupid in a no stupid zone with a common tool.

[JUSTIFIED]

you should never fight fair unless it's a competition designed just for that but i just want everyone here to be able to go home after the interview and still be employed. Didnt mean to be a d... but i am sometimes, take it as passion rather than total jerk attitude please. If a feller was to knock in someones head with a 3lb ball ping that rides on the road grater after said thug was to hassle hard working county guy doing his job just cause he got dust on stupids truck or if a minimag light that one carried in his pocket, to check engines and such, was used like a kubotan to hurt more than the thugs feelings well then nothing would never be said most likely by neither law nor boss but having a weapon that is illegal in all ways, shapes and form leaves little choice in anyones decisions and makes you the badguy as well in the publics mind. Don't put them in that position, instead make'em laugh when the DA/AUSA reads the report that says snotnose BG got beatup by hardworkin GG for being stupid in a no stupid zone with a common tool.

Matt I didn't take anything personal. I know you guys have everybody's best interest in mind and I'm here to learn. It's a running joke at work that once in a while when I make a facetious remark one of the guys will say, jokingly, "Wow Kab that's a mean thing to say! You're an a_ _hole!" To which my reply is, "well at least I'm a well meaning a_ _ hole!"...chuckle...


Well, I do have a large hammer, a pocket knife, a couple of writing pens(kubotan alternative), some wooden stakes if I'm attacked by a vampire and if that doesn't work I'll bore them with political philosophy!...chuckle....

[kilogulf59]

Woah...settle down...we're all on the same team here...

FWIW: I'll use whatever I have to survive...and walk away if possible. Remember, you have to be alive to be in trouble ;)

[Matt In Oklahoma]

aww were all good big camo clad virtual hugs n back slaps for everyone

[kilogulf59]

I'm choking on the virtual warmth and sincerity... :)

[Grand58742]

Let's keep it professional on this topic. No need for snarky comments. Both sides are correct. Anything can be used as a weapon if utilized correctly. That being said, the legalities of using some objects can call serious attention to one's self when being questioned by LEOs about the incident. Matt is correct in saying a blackjack or can of was spray might not be the best option to consider for self defense.

As KG is correct as well Don't fight to fight fair, fight to win. And the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Learn to utilize whatever tool you happen to have available at the time of incident, be it a knife, kubaton, firearm, Leatherman Micra, pen, newspaper (that's a weapon and a half when folded correctly lol) or whatever. And let training take over. And that's honestly the core problem training. I'd say 95% of the kubatons I see out there are hanging from key rings and used as key flails only. Most people do not realize they have far more potential than just raking someone's eyes. And how many people that actually carry them are conditioned to grab it first thing instead of freezing up and wishing they were on a beach in Tahiti? Training is the key to a proper defense and using whatever weapons (albeit makeshift like the aforementioned ball-peen hammer) they have on hand and can be of less risk of questioning later on.

It's far easier to explain why you might have said hammer in your car (I was working at a friend's house and I keep forgetting to take it out) than it is to explain away a blackjack or sap. Same reason I give with carrying baseball bats. Love to see those in trunks of cars. "I play softball" is a common excuse to which I reply in my best verbal judo "So you are saying there is a January league in Oklahoma City?" But a hammer (as an LEO) I would potentially overlook as being a "common ordinary item" that could potentially be a weapon, but is not categorized as such.

So again, a kubaton can be easily explained away, especially by the fairer sex by "My Daddy wants me to carry it because he feels I'm helpless" said with a laugh. A blackjack? Not so much. Wasp spray? Certainly not enough to the satisfaction of LEOs on a routine traffic stop and I'm positive a DA will look at that and wonder why a person decided to use wasp spray (which has in fact been shown not to work that well if at all) on a perp.

So training is the key to all this and we need to take advantage of it.

[kilogulf59]

It can also be a key fob...actually works great for one too...instead on a pile of keys in your pocket, just slide the Kubotan IWB...

If you carry a bat in the car put an old ball and glove in there, a hand axe is OK on a tool belt but separate it is a no-no. A nightstick is a weapon however, the butt end of a pool cue stick is not IF the front half is in the car. A 6-cell Mag-light is a flashlight, plain and simple.

As far as chemical (un)weapons are concerned, I'm not sure how'd you fair with wasp spray or brake cleaner...but really, any lawyer can take care of this as well...

I, myself, was never concerned with these trivialities. I do what I deem best for me and mine and that's it. Why should I get ulcers over nothing when the criminals don't?

[JUSTIFIED]

Let's keep it professional on this topic. No need for snarky comments. Both sides are correct. Anything can be used as a weapon if utilized correctly. That being said, the legalities of using some objects can call serious attention to one's self when being questioned by LEOs about the incident. Matt is correct in saying a blackjack or can of was spray might not be the best option to consider for self defense.

As KG is correct as well Don't fight to fight fair, fight to win. And the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Learn to utilize whatever tool you happen to have available at the time of incident, be it a knife, kubaton, firearm, Leatherman Micra, pen, newspaper (that's a weapon and a half when folded correctly lol) or whatever. And let training take over. And that's honestly the core problem training. I'd say 95% of the kubatons I see out there are hanging from key rings and used as key flails only. Most people do not realize they have far more potential than just raking someone's eyes. And how many people that actually carry them are conditioned to grab it first thing instead of freezing up and wishing they were on a beach in Tahiti? Training is the key to a proper defense and using whatever weapons (albeit makeshift like the aforementioned ball-peen hammer) they have on hand and can be of less risk of questioning later on.

It's far easier to explain why you might have said hammer in your car (I was working at a friend's house and I keep forgetting to take it out) than it is to explain away a blackjack or sap. Same reason I give with carrying baseball bats. Love to see those in trunks of cars. "I play softball" is a common excuse to which I reply in my best verbal judo "So you are saying there is a January league in Oklahoma City?" But a hammer (as an LEO) I would potentially overlook as being a "common ordinary item" that could potentially be a weapon, but is not categorized as such.

So again, a kubaton can be easily explained away, especially by the fairer sex by "My Daddy wants me to carry it because he feels I'm helpless" said with a laugh. A blackjack? Not so much. Wasp spray? Certainly not enough to the satisfaction of LEOs on a routine traffic stop and I'm positive a DA will look at that and wonder why a person decided to use wasp spray (which has in fact been shown not to work that well if at all) on a perp.

So training is the key to all this and we need to take advantage of it.

Grand, my comments weren't meant to be snarky and I don't think Matt's were either. I was being serious about what the guys say about me at work. It's a running joke there and I was saying it in a joking manner here, directed at me, and certainly not Matt. Sorry if anyone took it otherwise.

[JUSTIFIED]

I'm choking on the virtual warmth and sincerity... :)

Easy trigger! Next thing, you'll be tearing up and slobbering all over yourself! LOL

[JUSTIFIED]

aww were all good big camo clad virtual hugs n back slaps for everyone

Matt, as I said above, those comments had to do with me and not you. Hope you didn't take them wrong. Now Kilo seems to think we're going to be huggin' and sloberin' all over each other and as much as I like you that just aintagonnahappen!...chuckle.....

[Grand58742]

Grand, my comments weren't meant to be snarky and I don't think Matt's were either. I was being serious about what the guys say about me at work. It's a running joke there and I was saying it in a joking manner here, directed at me, and certainly not Matt. Sorry if anyone took it otherwise.

I didn't aim that at anyone in particular. Just that the thread was taking on a potentially bad turn and we all need to bring it back into focus.

[JUSTIFIED]

Let's keep it professional on this topic. No need for snarky comments. Both sides are correct. Anything can be used as a weapon if utilized correctly. That being said, the legalities of using some objects can call serious attention to one's self when being questioned by LEOs about the incident. Matt is correct in saying a blackjack or can of was spray might not be the best option to consider for self defense.

As KG is correct as well Don't fight to fight fair, fight to win. And the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Learn to utilize whatever tool you happen to have available at the time of incident, be it a knife, kubaton, firearm, Leatherman Micra, pen, newspaper (that's a weapon and a half when folded correctly lol) or whatever. And let training take over. And that's honestly the core problem training. I'd say 95% of the kubatons I see out there are hanging from key rings and used as key flails only. Most people do not realize they have far more potential than just raking someone's eyes. And how many people that actually carry them are conditioned to grab it first thing instead of freezing up and wishing they were on a beach in Tahiti? Training is the key to a proper defense and using whatever weapons (albeit makeshift like the aforementioned ball-peen hammer) they have on hand and can be of less risk of questioning later on.

It's far easier to explain why you might have said hammer in your car (I was working at a friend's house and I keep forgetting to take it out) than it is to explain away a blackjack or sap. Same reason I give with carrying baseball bats. Love to see those in trunks of cars. "I play softball" is a common excuse to which I reply in my best verbal judo "So you are saying there is a January league in Oklahoma City?" But a hammer (as an LEO) I would potentially overlook as being a "common ordinary item" that could potentially be a weapon, but is not categorized as such.

So again, a kubaton can be easily explained away, especially by the fairer sex by "My Daddy wants me to carry it because he feels I'm helpless" said with a laugh. A blackjack? Not so much. Wasp spray? Certainly not enough to the satisfaction of LEOs on a routine traffic stop and I'm positive a DA will look at that and wonder why a person decided to use wasp spray (which has in fact been shown not to work that well if at all) on a perp.

So training is the key to all this and we need to take advantage of it.

So you're saying the weighted axe handle I keep in my car with the end sharpened to a point so I can use it as a club or a spear may not be explainable?....chuckle...

Your point about training is right. Whether we're talking about self defense, prepping, or whatever, it's a problem for Patriot Lady and me. We don't socialize much and we're not right next door to likeminded folks we can get together with easily.

[JUSTIFIED]

I didn't aim that at anyone in particular. Just that the thread was taking on a potentially bad turn and we all need to bring it back into focus.

Like I told Matt, I get to typing (talking) on this computer and forget we're not sitting around together where we can see each other's expressions and hear each other's tone of voice. My bad.

[1Admin]

I get the whole "don't fight fair" thing but honestly, some of the most common stuff that people act like will end the fight DOESN'T.

I've been kicked in the nuts more than a few times, mostly by accident. It sucks but you keep fighting.
I've had beer bottles busted on and bounced off my nogging. It sucks but you keep fighting.
I've had limbs popped. It sucks but you can keep fighting.

Don't expect the person to go "OK I had enough" and quit right after the "terrible" roshambo (kick in the nuts) you give him. To be honest, any time that sort of thing happened, I just fought harder. Even in training when it's been " Oh shoot! Sorry man" you usually just hold the submission a little longer after that or hit just a little harder ;)