Patrol load out

[protus]

I know most know. But. A lil spin.
Besides your fighting gear and weapons.

What would your pick be for bare bones 10- 12 hour patrol. Say mild terrain(semi rural to rural ) and weather. Aka "fall/spring". Assume distance to cover is a 3-5 mile circut with 4 rv points..only objective is area denial. Aka your walking your fences.

Me i think i over pack.but im paranoid lol .
Water-4-5 liters
Water filter and treatment tabs.
Shelter -super protus sil tarp yote brown
Comms-2m or grms/murs
Extra ammo
Extra ifak
Food-cliffbars..strip down mre..
Windbeaker/poncho-depends on weather
Sniper/sas viel or camo mesh net(if doing a static set up)
Spare batts
Navigation-map..gps..compass..spare compasd..pencil.
Chem light
Personal EE kit
Fire starting- hey never know ..(bic.firesteel and matches)
Multitool or second knife.
550 cord and trip wire.
Piezo alarms.
Gloves
Watch cap
Spare socks
Face paint.
Monocular.

Prolly more but thats pretty much what my base pack is before adding specific items.(mission...weather...etc ).

Its lil more than i think i should run..but..i always figure 4 hours can turn to 16.


Whats your thoughts.
To much...not enough..stay on the couch lol

[Patriotic Sheepdog]

Flashlight and NODs at night?


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[protus]

Flashlight and NODs at night?


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If the pocket book could handle it nods for sure.

Im missing some stuff since i was rushing to get it uo this am.
I carry a g2 surefire...plus a red led lightstick that strobes.

I carry ear pro as well. Dunno why just do.

[RobertJ]

I also have an AAC tirant 9 and squishy earpro in mine, and a jetboil. Plus most of what you previously mentioned minus the piezo alarms. I am still working debt off, but once that is done NODs are on the list.

I need to revisit my raingear... USGI "Style" poncho and liner currently, but thinking more on the lines of a gortex suit now. Still trying to figure it out.

ETA...
Like you I have more then I probably should. But I'm a "better to have and not need" kinda person.

[justanothergunnut]

3 to 5 miles you are in your own backyard.. I'm thinking go light and have a couple caches you could visit if the need arises.. I don't see your list being all that much.. put it in a day pack right...

[protus]

3 to 5 miles you are in your own backyard.. I'm thinking go light and have a couple caches you could visit if the need arises.. I don't see your list being all that much.. put it in a day pack right...

3-5 miles.
Yes is short and simple. Still 4-6 hours of slow speed walking. Not to mention any admin breaks or stops to recon anything (tracks..old camps..etc etc).

Pack i use for that load out is a cback mule.
Weather ...mission changes a large ruck is needed(bhi three day).

[Hawkeye]

My personal rule is, no matter how short of a time frame you plan on being out, always have enough with you for at least 24 hours including shelter, food, water, etc...

[protus]

Ok. Well whats your load for the above scenerio.

Mine varies as whats listed to me is running a tad lean.
Heck..for one scenario of patrol i have a spotting scope.....and different comms...



I do pack a sea to summit spork so im ready for anything ;p

[RobertJ]

Hawkeye,
Could you do a video on the 12/24 hour patrol bag and contents... I know it will vary to season AO etc. but it would be nice and I have not really found one on u-tube yet, Plus you about have me sold on that TT patrol bag. Would like to see it in action.
Thanks

[Hawkeye]

That's something that's honestly been on my list of things to do, I've just been recovering from my surgery for the past few weeks and now trying to get orders back out from the downtime, and I haven't had a chance to do it. I still have another week and a half before the Dr. gives me clearance to go hot, but when he does this is on the top of my list. I'd do it now but I'm not supposed to lift anything over 15 lbs, etc.... Sigh..... its so frustrating, especially since I don't have the pain as a reminder to not do something now. Anway, couple of week's and I'll see what I can do.

[Hawkeye]

Ok. Well whats your load for the above scenerio.

Mine varies as whats listed to me is running a tad lean.
Heck..for one scenario of patrol i have a spotting scope.....and different comms...



I do pack a sea to summit spork so im ready for anything ;p

Seriously?? sea to summit spork? Is this really a serious question from you?




Snow Peak Titanium spork dude. Seriously. I gave you more credit than this.

[protus]

Seriously?? sea to summit spork? Is this really a serious question from you?




Snow Peak Titanium spork dude. Seriously. I gave you more credit than this.

Snow peaks are for hippies.... :p

[Hawkeye]

Snow peaks are for hippies.... :p

Utterly deceptive twaddle-speak says I.

[protus]

Utterly deceptive twaddle-speak says I.

Wieght savings vs the sae to summit are not even noticable. Price wise its what 3-8$. Of course they both make longer ones (good for mre/mnt house bags).
In the pots/kettles (same with msr/gsi )is where TI saves. Of course now price becomes an issue.

To me weight vs bulk.
Usgi poncho is irrc around 1.3+lbs in a 5+7 configuration. A sil tarp of the same is around 4oz...a 1.3-1.5oz tarp (similar to yours )weighs around 7-9oz for a larger tarp. Both near 80% smaller than the issue poncho.

Thats just one example. But thats why a ton of gear makers have went to 500d vs 1000d and now to skeltonized rigs. To save even more weight.
Of course just like good backpacking gear the lighter the more cash you drop.

On top of that as you know...we aint 18..and with exsiting injuries lugging 900lbs aint happening for long periods while still maintaining some sort of effectivness.hence why i scaled down my rigs and kit. Iirc my whole chest rig is sub 12lbs.
Me ill go light...move easier..and not be fatigued. Younger types should take note.

[protus]

Ok. What about plates on patrol?
Pros /cons.
Me im sitting the fence. Mostly because of $ but also the abilty to be effective over x hours in x weather with x issues(injury etc ).
I see them more of a pro for say qrf..inside wire movement. Static or defensive actions.
Im also a realist. Part of me says they are viable .another parts says "even a bowel..extreme wound to the limbs) puts you in the gonna die catagory."



What about shelter systems on patrol...it wont always be 65 and sunny.