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  • #16
    One of the things that isn't really covered here is core temperature. You can have all the layers of clothing in the world and it still not keep you warm because your core temperature drops to a certain level. And in fact, this doesn't even have to be in extreme cold temperatures to matter. People can get hypothermia even in 50-60 degree temperatures depending on the environment they happen to be in. In 1995 a group of Ranger trainees died on Eglin AFB because their core temperatures had dropped to unacceptable levels and the environment wouldn't support quick rescue. But I know for a fact the temperatures were not below freezing that night (IIRC, they were in the mid 50s). But as they had gotten wet and couldn't be rescued in time, their core temps dropped to unacceptable levels and brought on hypothermia.

    Like Protus said, wet is dead. Wet causes your body to start conserving energy by transfering it from your extremities (arms and legs) and keeping it in your core. And when your core starts cooling down, that's the ball game Jack. So in fact, the hands and feet are the body's natural "thermometer." If your hands and feet are cold, chances are, your core is cooling down and you need to take action.

    So how do we do that? Introduction of warm foods or liquids into the body helps. Plus the body burns calories to sustain itself. Less complex foods like carbs and sugars burn quicker and get the body warming faster. Meats and fats are not suggested to get your body warmed up quickly. Yes, you still need them for long term sustainment, but overall, you are looking at a quick warm and focus later on staying warm. Also, something with a little spice helps. For some reason, eating something with a little pepper or hot sauce helps warm the body. Not to overdo it though.

    And staying hydrated helps keep you warm. Less water, less blood flow and less warm blood heading to your body. Wintertime is quite the season for getting dehydrated. Most don't even realize how much sweat the body produces when wearing layers in wintertime. You figure it out when you start shedding clothing, but stay hydrated throughout your activities (whether they are active like hiking or passive like hunting) and you will actually stay warmer.

    And ventilation. If you are active and cannot stop for some reason to shed clothing, unzip a jacket or coat. Open up the underarm air vents on a jacket (if you have them) and loosen the cuffs. Two things happen:

    The moist air inside your jacket gets expelled into the environment and replaced with dry air from outside.

    The cooler air helps regulate your temperate, keeping you warm as opposed to hot. Everything in moderation however as one needs to not overdo it and zip back up at the first signs of "cold."

    Clean clothing is key. Dirty and soiled clothing loses effectiveness since the warming loft gets clogged with dirt and sweat. This causes the layers to become a hinderance rather than a help. Change into clean clothing (especially base layers) when you can and wash dirty clothing. If washing isn't an option, even rinsing it out helps out in keeping its thermal efficiency. But by far, proper clean clothing is key to keeping you warm. Obviously jackets and outer shells don't need to be washed as frequently, but those next to the skin and the next layers up should be kept as clean as possible, especially socks.

    Drying wet clothing in cold weather? Obviously when out in the backcountry we can't just toss them into the dryer and walk away. Line drying actually works fairly well, especially in wind. Wring clothing out as much as possible and line dry. Be mindful of synthetic fabrics next to fire. You melt them and there goes your effective base layer. Socks can be draped around the neck to help dry out (it also helps cool your body when active) and replaced as needed.

    And footwear. Boots can and will become waterlogged as one walks along. Keeping them open and well ventilated while not wearing them will help them dry out quicker and retain their thermal efficiency. Some folks like to put a plastic top over them to keep rain, snow and whatnot out of them. However, this doesn't help and they end up becoming waterlogged and in turn, colder. If in a shelter, put boots under cover, open them up as far as the laces will allow and let them dry naturally, especially Gore Tex models. Don't cover them or hang them upside down as this will do nothing more than allow warmer moist air to be trapped and slow the drying process.

    And on the subject of footwear, proper waterproofed boots are a lifesaver during winter. I often see my troopers out with cold feet while wearing jungle boots (or other non waterproofed boots) in the winter. Why? "Because they are comfortable!" However, a waterproof fabric in the footwear is absolutely key to helping keep you warm. Cold and wet feet means you cannot walk as efficiently and in turn sets up the possibility of frostbite and/or trenchfoot as feet get colder. Proper socks help out as well. Wool or sythetic blends are key, but plan for the activity. Huge artic weight socks do you little good when you are active, however, might be more appropriate for times when you are inactive. Proper socks wick away moisture and keep feet warm. For hiking activities, wearing medium weight socks in cold weather sometimes if better than wearing the heavy weight socks which make your feet sweat more. Wet is dead (think I heard that once before).

    I'm not a huge proponent of waterproof socks, although I own a couple of sets. The problem with them is the fact they let footwear get wet and reduce thermal efficiency. While yes, they keep your foot dry, they could end up keeping them cooler since the boots are now waterlogged and heavier, making you work more to move your feet and in turn, sweat more and in turn, reducing temps all over your body. I wouldn't recommend Gore Tex socks for anything under 50 degrees myself and prefer a waterproofed boot for that.

    And handwear...proper gloves are also key to staying warm. While gloves provide a barrier against the cold, sometimes they end up not helping at all if they don't fit correctly or fit too loosely. Tight fitting gloves restrict blood flow and warmth reaching the extremities. Loose fitting gloves provide more access for colder air to enter and become trapped. So make sure the gloves fit, but not too snugly or too loosly.

    Mittens are awesome for keeping hands warm since they keep all fingers together generating heat. Gloves are better for active times when the body is generating excess heat. Water and wind proofing on gloves is always the best option. Or waterproof shells with warm liners.

    Headgear...proper warming with keeping the ears covered as well. I for one hate watch caps, but they are efficient in keeping your head warm. Cover your head, but also cover your ears. If your ears aren't covered, you are not covering the parts of your head that need warming. Additionally face masks, balaclavas and whatnot are effective in keeping heat on the face during cold weather. However, they are a double edged sword as when they get wet, they keep moisture on the face and in turn chills the bare skin. For times you are inactive, they aren't a bad choice or when it's really cold outside (think sub zero). For active times, they can prohibit sweat from dissipating into the atmosphere and cool you down. YMMV on this though as facial hair is quite the insulator.

    And scarves. While most would scoff at a scarf, they are highly unique in the ability to provide total warmth. Properly wearing a scarf helps "lock up" an entry point for cold air into the core of the body as well as keeping your neck warm.

    Just a few things I've picked up over the years in cold weather activities.
    Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by biathlon View Post
      Ha ha ha ha, oh please, ho ho ho, , , winter in Florida? Gimme a break! Ha ha ha ha ha, I just had a hernia repaired! Please don't make me laugh anymore!
      same way we laugh when we here about killer heat waves out west and how folks are dying in 80f temps with 38% humidty......;)

      Add something to the thread that will be helpfull..........or are you gonna spew the internet mantra that because its the southeast it doesnt get cold here........


      from the looks of things your states temps at 9am are the same as mine were at 7am....Hmmmmmm
      Last edited by protus; 12-06-2010, 12:38 PM.
      Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by protus View Post
        same way we laugh when we here about killer heat waves out west and how folks are dying in 80f temps with 38% humidty......;)

        Add something to the thread that will be helpfull..........or are you gonna spew the internet mantra that because its the southeast it doesnt get cold here........


        from the looks of things your states temps at 9am are the same as mine were at 7am....Hmmmmmm
        Its only going to be 24 degrees here in the morning. Thats shorts and t-shirt weather isnt it? Afterall, we all know that you cant get hypothermia in 24 degree weather.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Hawkeye View Post
          Its only going to be 24 degrees here in the morning. Thats shorts and t-shirt weather isnt it? Afterall, we all know that you cant get hypothermia in 24 degree weather.
          i hear guys from up north tell me all the time how its tank top and shorts with flip flops ....yet i never see them dressed like that.....;) let alone camp like that.........
          Last edited by protus; 12-06-2010, 01:16 PM.
          Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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          • #20
            Well, in all fairness, 24 up there might be a lot colder that 24 down here.....

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            • #21
              Originally posted by biathlon View Post
              Ha ha ha ha, oh please, ho ho ho, , , winter in Florida? Gimme a break! Ha ha ha ha ha, I just had a hernia repaired! Please don't make me laugh anymore!
              Your correct, Florida and the southeast is ALWAYS a constant 80 degrees year round, always. 365 days a year and even at night. It never gets any colder. The night it was 17 when I got hypothermia after a 5 mile solo compass course was a figment of my imagination. The snow we had here in SOUTH Georgia last year was another figment.

              Florida is not always a Corona commercial.
              Boris- "He's famous, has picture on three dollar bill!"

              Rocky- "Wow! I've never even seen a three dollar bill!"

              Boris- "Is it my fault you're poor?"

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              • #22
                If I offended anyone I truly apologise but I live well above 7000 feet in Wyoming and my definition of "winter" is probably a lot different than you southern folk. I did Basic and AIT at Fort Polk and yes, I remember being cold a few times there. Wound up in a place called "blackwater" shortly thereafter in west Flo-rida.

                Up here, exposure can kill you in a matter of minutes! No lie. Frosbite in seconds and hypothermia in under 90 seconds.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by biathlon View Post
                  If I offended anyone I truly apologise but I live well above 7000 feet in Wyoming and my definition of "winter" is probably a lot different than you southern folk. I did Basic and AIT at Fort Polk and yes, I remember being cold a few times there. Wound up in a place called "blackwater" shortly thereafter in west Flo-rida.

                  Up here, exposure can kill you in a matter of minutes! No lie. Frosbite in seconds and hypothermia in under 90 seconds.
                  No offense taken, its just an annoying thing that gets tossed around too much. North/North East FL has significantly differnent weather than south and even central FL. It gets into the 20s and even teens here regularly. 22 degrees with a wind chill of 15 (which is what its going to be here in the morning) is just as cold here, as it is anywhere else. When I was at Ft. Gordon, we had 55 gal. lister bags freeze solid. So yeah, cold weather clothing and such to protect you from exposure and that works with you when you go from being active, to stationary, etc., in such weather, is important here just as it is anywhere else.

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                  • #24
                    No offense taken, its just an annoying thing that gets tossed around too much

                    this.


                    So many feel that the southeast ..florida for one. Is like admin pointed out a corona commerical.
                    It gets well into the low teens in my AO at times ( last year for weeks on end)..didnt bust 50 f today or drop below 48% humidty.
                    Exposure hot or cold will kill.
                    The problem is many over/underestimate the temps in an AO that is not there's.
                    I for one remeber walking down main street no where North dakota in july. 80f... news stations and people in town talking about the "killer" heat wave.
                    Yet i was walking around in a pair of jeans, button down and hat and didnt break a sweat.
                    Down here...not a chance in heck youd find me dressed like that walking for over an hour.
                    Ive felt "warm" in Ontario when hunting..when it was 35f and raining......and froze when it was only 52f in florida on a hike ........
                    each place is different.
                    The main thing is the basic's that keep us warm/cool in all of them will work if we do our part and not stick our tongue out to mother nature.

                    Once we turn our nose up to her..she'll deal us a relaity check that we may not walk away from....
                    Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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                    • #25


                      This is something a lot of folks miss. Putting on tire chains, caring for injured people, any scenario in winter. They also keep your legs warmer on the lift.

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                      • #26
                        What part of Wyoming?

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                        • #27
                          Laramie. We have 3 cross country skiing venues real close, a small family type lift area just west of us and some of the finest back country skiing in the state.

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                          • #28
                            I seen some knee pads something like those at harbor freight for only about 7 bucks. I bought some to do a floor job at the house they worked really well have used them several times since. thought about getting another set maybe even for target practice --- not getting any younger
                            Originally posted by biathlon View Post
                            http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/...ads-p-461.html

                            This is something a lot of folks miss. Putting on tire chains, caring for injured people, any scenario in winter. They also keep your legs warmer on the lift.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by biathlon View Post
                              Laramie. We have 3 cross country skiing venues real close, a small family type lift area just west of us and some of the finest back country skiing in the state.
                              I was stationed at FE Warren a few years back. I also owned a Paintball Field in Cheyenne, out on Happy Jack Road

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                              • #30
                                actually I did go camping last weekend and one of our group was from cleveland and he was wearing shorts. I was pretty warm in the sleeping bag that weekend. coleman 30 degree rated, heavy blanket on top,ELECTRIC BLANKET between the bag and the air mattress, and I deployed my 4 legged early warning and detection system in its secondary role as lower appendage heater.

                                i did wound up hot and had to turn down the electric blanket!
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