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    Got the chills?
    2009-protus



    Well the coldest day in central Florida is upon us according to the local media. Gasp, we may hit the mid twenties and even snow flurries!So i figured it would be a good time to go over some cold weather tips that are relevant to our AO.
    Right now would be a good time to put any gear and yourself to the test. Even if it is in a controlled environment , like your back yard. This way you are near the "warmth" and safety of home before running out to the woods to freeze to death!

    Florida is not known for it's cold weather. However we do see temps well into the 20 and 30F range yearly. As of later for over a week now.This leads to a notion that it is "never" cold here by some. Since we are in a state that is plagued by the constant influx of "northern" folks, they seem to always be the ones who have the most issues adjusting to our ever changing climate.

    Cold weather clothing.

    Wet is dead. Some say cotton, I like to keep it simple. Wet is dead. Always remember this when setting up your gear( BOB,line 2 ,GHB or home kit) and your clothing choices for outdoor activities. Your 1st line of defense against the cold is the base layer. This is the wicking layer that you wear closest to your skin. In my opinion if your being active outdoors ( hunting,camping,backpacking etc) you should go with a silk weight synthetic or actual silk base layer. These can be purchased everywhere, even places like target,walmart and online.
    Your next layer is your insulating layer. This layer will change per the weather. You dont want to wear a 300+ wt fleece if its only 55f out and your going trail running! Again wet is dead. You want to have either a synthetic,down or poly/fleece layer here.Last is your outer shell. This can be made of gore tex,nylon, or similar brand fabrics. This is the layer that keeps the wind,rain and snow off of you. The whole set up should look like this when set up as an example.
    base layer - silk weight pants and LS shirt
    insulating layer- 200/300 fleece jacket
    outer shell- gore tex jacket
    You can opt out now days and buy a complete 3-4 way system already made from most outdoor clothing vendors or military surplus.
    Layering is key to this whole system. What is it I have said already? Wet is dead. As your activity level raises you will then peel away layers to maintain a level that keeps perspiration to a minimum.

    Camping when it is cold

    Besides building a fire that can heat Uranus, you can do quite a few things to stay warm once you settle in for the night when it is cold. First off, again do not underestimate mother nature. A night with temps into the 60's may very well be your coldest night if you haven't prepared for it. To have a nice "warm" nights rest you should have the following gear.
    sleeping bag- This bag should be rated to at least the avg winter temp of your AO. For Florida a 20f to 30 f bag should work. I personally would lean more towards the 20f bag. The reason behind this is that a bags rating is the max comfort rating for that bag over a 4-6 hour time period while in a tent on a ground pad. That is how they obtain their "comfort" rating. My comfort is different than your comfort. Which is why i recommend going lower in the rating and to be quite honest manufacturers tend to rate lower than what their bag can handle.In other words that 30 f may only be a 40f! The bag can be of any design and weight, but chose one that fits you (yes some are sized to the user) and your outdoor applications best. I wouldn't suggest a 9 lb two person -20f bag to fit on your Bug Out Bag if you get the drift.

    Ground pad/sleep pad- This is a must no matter where you will be camping. The ground will suck the warmth right out of you. This pad can be of closed cell. Which will be the cheapest and lightest or an air pad/self inflating pad. Now that i am not 18 anymore i like the thermarest brand of self inflating pads. They are well made, light weight and are pretty darn comfortable when compared to a closed cell. Both work well, but have one,either one. If not you'll freeze.

    Large inflatable mattresses- You all know these ones. The king sized use an air pump to blow them up types. These will not insulate you from the ground. The cold air and ground temps will radiate up into the mattress and right into you. I suggest you use a foam pad between you and the mattress or some sort of thermal barrier under the mattress and the ground.

    clothing- See it comes up again. Wet is Dead.
    Before you crawl into your -65f bag to battle the 30f temps. Make sure you put on dry clothing. This doesn't have to be 2 layers of sweat pants and shorts. In reality a dry silk weight base layer,dry socks and a watch cap will help you stay alot warmer than putting on 20 layers then laying down to sleep. Doing so only traps in your body heat and doesn't allow it transfer to the bag. The bag itself is a layer of clothing. It is your "insulating" layer when you compare it to you clothing system we spoke of earlier. Make sure you change into dry clothes!

    Outer shell- Yes,even your sleep system should have one. This pertains more to those camping outdoors,in small bivy tents or under a tarp. You will want a barrier between you and the elements. Just like your clothing layers this layer should keep rain,wind etc . off you and your insulating layer. These can be simple bivys made of treated nylons and similar fabrics to fully water proof gore tex ones.Make sure it is breathable either way. Trapping in moisture between this layer and your bag means a wet bag and a cold camper!

    Liners/systems- some folks like to add second bags,liners or use a 3-4 part sleep system to match the season. This is a good way to match any type of weather year round. The only downfalls i see is the weight factor when using such systems for backpacking or a bug out bag. But you can tailor these systems. For example. My "cold" weather set up is. Zero F rated slumberjack bag,50+f ultra light bag and h20 proof bivy bag. In spring/early summer i run the 50f rated UL bag, the bivy. In summer i run a poncho liner and 1.5 oz ripstop nylon "blanket". The one item that doesn't change is my ground pad! Just like your clothing it is all in layers that you can shed if need be per the season.

    So layer up, get out there and test yourself and your gear. Some of the best camping and outdoor activities our state has to offer can be had over the next few months. You know before its 100F out and the bugs carry you away!


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      One other good tip for preparing to sleep in the cold is to eat carbohydrates before bed time, this gives you a good load of fuel to burn while asleep. Wearing a watch cap while sleeping greatly increases the comfort level.
      Remember that one of the reasons for layering your clothing is so that you can easily add or remove a layer to requlate your body temprature, which is related to your activity level. If you are walking and starting to sweat, stop and take something off. Even just adding of removing a hat helps. Apologies if this is to basic.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by EX121 View Post
        . Apologies if this is to basic.
        no need to ...what i wrote was basic..just longer ;p.
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        • #5
          I read that wool is the best, because unlike cotton which becomes soggy, wool will dry quickly and protect. True?

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          • #6
            wool has the ability to retain heat even when wet unlike cotton. If you don't like itchy wool or have allergies to it like me Merino wool is the stuff. It doesn't scratch like the other and is availible everywhere if you just check the labels.
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            • #7
              I like a Big Agnes Insulated Air Core mattress. Almost as comfortable as a real bed. It's 2.5" thick, good to 15 F and they have a nifty stuff sack that can be used to blow up the mattress. Big Agnes also make a long / wide version for active sleepers and those of us with a larger silhouette. I have tested mine down to 18F. It kept me warm and I chill easily. That being only under a tarp, I ditched the tent long ago.

              Since the sleeping bag insulation under your body always compresses (looses effectiveness) having a very good sleeping pad is of utmost importance.
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              • #8
                I've read/heard that you can fill a canteen or nalgene with hot water and put it with you in your sleeping bag to act as a hot water bottle of sorts. Just be careful that it remains close and is leak proof or you will be wet and cold during the nite.
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                • #9
                  If it truley cold you will need that water in your bag anyway. Nothing is worse than finding it frozen when you wake up dehydrated/thirsty. Using it as heat can be a double edged sword though because it may cause you to sweat which will make you colder later. The same thing with your clothes you may need them in the bag to keep them from freezing but do not wear them because they will make you sweat. If your outer layer is not breathable such as plastic you will need to build a spacer for the heated air (steam) to escape but not allow the moisture from dew/snow/etc to soak you. Also try and angle it so that when the steam condenses on the underside of the tarp it will run off rather than rain back on you. Just a few things from my experiances in Germany/Macedonia and hunting here in the USA.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Patriotic Sheepdog View Post
                    I've read/heard that you can fill a canteen or nalgene with hot water and put it with you in your sleeping bag to act as a hot water bottle of sorts. Just be careful that it remains close and is leak proof or you will be wet and cold during the nite.

                    down here. i have yet to have any of my water outside freeze. I have had a bladder tubes get frosty but thats it. You can do the "hot water" bottle deal, but if the rest of your sleep system is in check the water bottle should be holding your piss. Your body will waste heat keeping your bladder full......it sucks being down in your skibys having to jump out piss and get back in before shivering to death LOL.


                    Condensation is also an issue. I have been to "warm" in a bag and h ad my outter bag freeze and my sleeping bag get crunchy in the time it took to shiver out a pee at o-dark 30. You have to maintain a balance in your warmth. To hot you will sweat and in turn freeze later ( wet is dead).....
                    Last edited by protus; 09-20-2010, 06:49 AM. Reason: typo
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                    • #11
                      Along with keeping clothing in your bag, don't forget your boots. Even if you have been walking all day in the cold your boots will be damp from sweat. It sucks trying to put on and walk in frozen boots. Once on of my felt shoe-pac liners got left outside and froze solid. I didn't have a spare so I had to wear it, it didn't thaw until about noon. Now I always have a spare set of liners.
                      I also advocate sleeping in as few pieces of claothing as possible. It's always tempting to crawl into your bag overdressed, because you are cold & the bag isn't warmed up yet, but once you fall asleep you will sweat. This sweat gets everthing damp, which may not be much of a problem on a couple of day trip, but longterm it's hard to get your bag dryed out, and your bag progressively looses insulation.
                      Its also better to have dry clothing to put on when you get up in the morning.
                      On peeing in the night I like to carry a three foot piece on closed cell foam pad in the winter, I use it to stand on for doing my business, for sitting on while taking a break during the day, and it adds an extra bit of insulation under your body core while asleep.
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                      • #12
                        On the peeing I keep a gatorade bottle clearly marked in the pack and bagged seperatly and have mastered the art of sideways! I aint coming out less there is some shooting or bears involved. It is also a hot water bottle but never could quite get used to snuggling up to much to it:) It's gotta be real real real cold for that!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by EX121 View Post
                          One other good tip for preparing to sleep in the cold is to eat carbohydrates before bed time, this gives you a good load of fuel to burn while asleep. Wearing a watch cap while sleeping greatly increases the comfort level.
                          Remember that one of the reasons for layering your clothing is so that you can easily add or remove a layer to requlate your body temprature, which is related to your activity level. If you are walking and starting to sweat, stop and take something off. Even just adding of removing a hat helps. Apologies if this is to basic.
                          It's okay mate. In fact even if the tips are very basic, this is such a great help to other members. So carry on!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by UK_Army View Post
                            It's okay mate. In fact even if the tips are very basic, this is such a great help to other members. So carry on!

                            basic is better imho...so many fixiate(sp) on the end result vs what the simple things can do ( ie eating carbs before bed, dry base layers or even, removing a layer, instead of adding one)
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                            • #15
                              Ha ha ha ha, oh please, ho ho ho, , , winter in Florida? Gimme a break! Ha ha ha ha ha, I just had a hernia repaired! Please don't make me laugh anymore!

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