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    Financial planning for the survivalist in a nutshell-

    *Out of debt- gives more INITIATIVE to the survivalist, initiative being the FREEDOM TO ACT, rather than being forced to REACT.

    *Six months or more living expenses in cash, yes FRNs. Means any hiccup in banking system does not affect you, means critical missing items can be bought at the proverbial "last minute" if necessary when most smart retailers probably wouldn't take CC or check or when that "system" is down. Cash also helps the "flee in the night" scenario and the coveted "bribe the guy to look the other way" scenario.

    *Precious metals, have their place as a -SOMETIMES- inflation fighter, as a -SOMETIMES- decent investment. Some people, myself included, look at them as another way to save and squirrel away money to pass along. Subject to upticks and downturns like any INVESTMENT (I know, someone will say not an investment). Reason you don't relay SOLELY on these is that market can and does change- the 1 ounce gold Kangaroo that was a "deal" at $1600. an ounce is now a $400. LOSS if sold now. Which is one of the reasons why the CASH in your financial preps is there. I don't personally think people will "barter" with PM's after a collapse because their isn't that many of them out there in the hands of the GENERAL PUBLIC. But if that does happen, so be it, I'll be ready for that also. Best use could likely be paying your property taxes.

    *Physical preps- year or more of food storage (someone will no doubt call that "extreme" also , defensive preps and a good amount of training for same, medical supplies, water storage and numerous water sources

    *Land and homes- a place out of the way wherein you can hold your own, produce some (not all) of your own food, produce your own power, preferably debt free. Producing your own power = no power bill = more money in your pocket and less to live on. Producing some of your own food= lower grocery bill. Having your own water sources = no water bill. All this with no mortgage = very little money going out monthly which = more money in your pocket. In retirement means retirement savings go further and less money is needed to live on.

    *Retirement savings- here's the most argued one. Yes you need to be saving for retirement. "But but but, the S is fixing to HTF and..." Trust me, you NEED to be saving for retirement. Do these other things yes, but save for retirement. I know a lot of people that pulled their money out of 401K's, IRA's, etc. in 93, 95, 98, 99, 2001 etc. thinking that "this is it!" that are still working. Most are old enough that they might not still be working if they hadn't made that move. Start a Roth IRA as probably sometime in the future, the gubmint will likely stop "allowing" them. You don't want to go into retirement with nothing but a stack of Mt. House cases and a few black rifles all because you thought the S was fixing to HTF tomorrow. Yes if the stock market tanks you will lose some, their are ways to negate this. Even parking the money in low risk things over time will help.

    *Save up and pay cash for larger purchases. You can buy a new vehicle for cash. You can't probably can't tomorrow, it may take a few years as it does us every time, but hey we are survivalists so we should be good at PLANNING right? Also, when you pay cash for things like that, you tend to under buy, versus over buying.

    When your not saddled with a mortgage, 2 car payments, student loan death, card from your master, American Excess, etc. you CAN DO MORE. That seems the opposite but it's true. We have taken more vacations, played more, etc. in the years we've been out of debt than in all the others combined.

    Now the sucky part- getting out of debt is hard work and a lot of suffering. That's why few achieve it. Just like getting in shape it requires discipline, it requires WORK. It requires looking past the current day and well into the future. We "suffered" through for several years getting out of debt. When we began that, we had a much much smaller income to work with as well. I truly believe God was teaching us things.

    Finally, adjust your spending based on your income. For those of us with variable incomes, spend based on what you have currently coming in, not "expected" sales, not last month's sale figures, etc. That was hard for me as I was 26 and making super big dollars and then the bottom dropped out for a time. It took me a few months- and a lot of $$$ lost- to adjust to the fact that the big dollars were gone for the time being. Anywhoo..

    Guys, the financial preps are just as important as your weapons training, food storage, etc. More so in many ways as proper planning in finances opens up more possibilities for training, for preps, etc.
    Good luck

    Lowdown3
    www.homesteadingandsurvival.com

    www.survivalreportpodcast.com

    "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed..."

  • #2
    Good plan! Working towards all of them in some percentage or another... Not as focused on PM's, but hope to once again soon... I think it is because I still remember gold at less than $300 an ounce in 2000 and silver less than $4 and it is a mental block to pay the price it is now...

    Rmpl
    -=> Rmplstlskn <=-

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    • #3
      Great summary, LD3!!

      One thing I'd add is a fund or funds for recurring bills such as property taxes, utilities, home repairs, etc....

      We keep two such funds, over funded by a minimum of 6 months. One is the 'house fund' that includes house payments (paid off in 2 years) and the other is the recurring bill fund...property taxes, utilities, etc... All payments are automatically taken from these accounts and the 'leftover' from each paycheck goes into a third account and is what we live off of payday-to-payday. We started this a couple of decades ago and revisit the amount that goes into each twice a year. We add about 10% to the amount we put into them over and above the expected outlay to account for rising prices (I figure between 6 and 9 percent inflation...not what the gubmint publishes).

      These funds are not for global/country-wide SHTF scenarios but for personal SHTF situations where our income might be interrupted. It's come in handy as I've been laid off 4 times in the last 20 years. Got throught all of them without hitting long term savings.
      "Common sense might be common but it is by no means wide spread." Mark Twain

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      • #4
        Excellent advice from all contributors here. Very sound and very doable.
        "One cannot but ponder the question: what if the Arabs had been Christians? To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly what he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing. Here, I think, is a text for some eloquent sermon on the virtues of Christianity." - General George S. Patton, diary, June 9, 1943.

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        • #5
          I would also add in insurance and wills. Have life insurance until you become self-insured (out of debt with plenty of savings).

          Put all of these important documents in a "love drawer" (multiple copies of the info in safe places in case of fire/tornado/aliens), you are loving your family well by having everything in one place with directions on what to do in the event you are gone.

          Wills - You don't want the State deciding who gets your kids or your stuff and you don't want your family fighting over your stuff.
          "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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          • #6
            Term life insurance is remarkably cheap guys. Selectquote is pretty good on prices. I got good rates years ago when I was 50 lbs. heavier. Nurse said "you must be a runner"- hard to believe with all that fat eh? :) I should at some point in time see about some more coverage and lock in another 20 year rate with better health now.

            Someone may want to talk on how life insurance is paid out. For example, a $300K policy. I'm assuming the survivor doesn't just get a check for $300K from the insurance company. Probably a stipend monthly???
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lowdown3 View Post
              Term life insurance is remarkably cheap guys. Selectquote is pretty good on prices. I got good rates years ago when I was 50 lbs. heavier. Nurse said "you must be a runner"- hard to believe with all that fat eh? :) I should at some point in time see about some more coverage and lock in another 20 year rate with better health now.

              Someone may want to talk on how life insurance is paid out. For example, a $300K policy. I'm assuming the survivor doesn't just get a check for $300K from the insurance company. Probably a stipend monthly???
              Agreed, know how the policy is paid out, sometimes its lump sum and other times its monthly.

              I used Zander Insurance to help me find my current policy provider. I was 33 and got a 30 year Term Life policy of $650K for $65/month. Shop around and make sure the company is on good financial grounds.
              "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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              • #8
                $300K 20 year no increase deal, had it for about 7-8 years now, $262. a year.
                www.homesteadingandsurvival.com

                www.survivalreportpodcast.com

                "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed..."

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                • #9
                  re: life insurance..
                  I have no license and have never sold any..
                  but I bought I bunch.

                  how does life ins. "pay out"
                  there may be other options, but mine would have all paid out the amount of policy.
                  example 200k term or whole life... spouse would get a check for 200k after providing a small amount of information..
                  such as death certificate and ?? maybe a funeral notice from newspaper..

                  frequently the agent who sold policy would want to deliver the check to surviving spouse...
                  and would then offer to provide an annuity with all or part of the money so that the surviving spouse could get ? 1000./month for the rest of their life with the 200k.
                  the agent would "look good" for delivering check and if he sold the annuity that meant extra income for him!

                  folks I would suggest getting quote from internet company.. then see if local agt in your village could beat or match the quote.. often they can....
                  and if you were to die, it would be nice to have a local agent assisting your wife/child/beneficiary in processing the needed documents.
                  the comment about make sure the life insurance provider was strong financially was excellent... some are in trouble.

                  example-- we had policy with a large ins. company... they were owned by an even bigger insurance company... that was in the news big time for financial problems about 6 years ago (for derivative swapping) ... I called to discuss it with our company... it took a long time to get through on the phone... I couldn't!!
                  finally I called the local selling agents number (which was in a town 100 miles away) it took a long time to get to a secretary. all the agents were in a meeting (and had been for 2 days) she took my number... no one returned my call.
                  the next day the same thing... no one ret'd my call.
                  the next day I had secretary fax me forms to move our business... to another carrier.

                  it's clear the company we bought from was scared... the parent company eventually was "bailed out."
                  too big to fail gov't said.

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                  • #10
                    Well, I was a licensed agent (sold it for Farm Bureau before I went into claims for Geico, Rockriver) for life and health as well as property and casualty. Life insurance is a poor investment and investments are poor life insurance. Term life or whole life is a very poor investment. If you are the sole breadwinner you need life insurance. Go with term life- you just "rent" a policy for the term you need it. Once your kids are grown and you are out of debt, start saving and pretty soon you are self insured. My wife is an RN so she can earn a living for herself, we have saved more than I want to spend on a funeral. Annuities are a kind of "reverse" insurance policy. You put your money in as a lump sum and agree to get some back every month. Returns on annuities are not much better than a bank savings account.
                    Getting out of debt is the key. If you can't pay for it in whole, ask yourself if you really need it. Save and offer the seller "cash money" and you can probably get a better price anyway. The U.S. has spent more than they take in for years, that is why the national debt is >16 trillion dollars. We all know how that is working out.

                    Zander is a good place to look for a term life quote. (I am a Dave Ramsey fan)
                    Don't pay for a funeral up front, you can earn more on your money in savings than inflation will cause the undertaker's bill to go up.
                    That Great Value, Sam's Choice and other store brands taste good to me and are nourishing. My physique will attest to that. (Just joking for those that have seen me in person) Save money where you can.
                    Everybody drives a used car. Some of us drive cars that are really used but still usable. The new car smell is nice, but the payment book has a foul odor.
                    Insurance is one of the most profitable businesses out there. Warren Buffet owns Geico and admits it is his "cash cow" for money to use for his investments. (The president of Geico has an annual compensation package of > $12 million)
                    Life insurance is paid out in a lump sum to the beneficiary- keep the beneficiary up to date! Life insurance proceeds are not taxable, your wife can spend all of it on her new car and wardrobe ;<) . If you buy it through a local agent, like the Rock said, he will deliver that check to you and shed a few tears with you. Also he will eat the fried chicken the church ladies send over and then try to convince you the life insurance (that he earned a commission on when he sold it to you) would be safer in one of his annuities (that he will earn another commission on). Thank him for the check, offer him some chicken and pie to go and invest the money yourself. Dave Ramsey can direct you to a financial planner that will be a person that subscribes to Dave's principals of financial stewardship based on sound Biblical principals, if that sort of thing matters to you. It sure does to me.
                    Funerals- don't get me started. Never mind, I just started myself. A simple pine box and a hole in the dirt is all you need. GA laws anyway don't require embalming, coffins, vaults or all the other stuff the undertaker will try to sell you. Those nice, sealed metal coffins will float down the river when it floods (we saw that, didn't we Rock?). When I am called up from my grave, I will get better than any undertaker can provide. I have seen finely embalmed bodies exhumed. They still look like a corpse. This always is a delicate topic but I say if you want to do something nice for Aunt Myrtle, do it while she is still alive and can enjoy it. She won't know anything about how much you spend on her funeral. I told my wife she can roll me off into the ditch if she wants to, I will never know the difference. Buzzards gotta eat too.

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                    • #11
                      LMAO!! Great post, thanks Gordon!
                      Boris- "He's famous, has picture on three dollar bill!"

                      Rocky- "Wow! I've never even seen a three dollar bill!"

                      Boris- "Is it my fault you're poor?"

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                      • #12
                        laughing quietly! but respectfully!
                        this funeral business is serious business...
                        going off track here.... not my fault... Gordon started it!

                        there was this fella... he lived in a poor area of so. ga... some years back.
                        there wasn't a lot of trucks around, but he finally sold off a bunch of goats and went and got himself an old truck.
                        oops... sorry... getting off track with the goat business. got to back to the funeral story.

                        anyhow, fella was a dirt farmer with a truck and a young teenage son...
                        son was a big ole boy.. barefoot and strong you see.
                        but they needed cash.. they had veggies they grew..
                        eggs from chickens... they had a few hogs, and cows for milk and meat.. oops gettin' off track again.
                        gotta get back to the funeral.
                        but ya see what I'm sayin' all the rest of this stuff is actually part of the story. the goats, chickens, hogs, veggies... but no cash...

                        folks from the local a.m.e. church didn't have no way to move the body oncet they got it fixed up.
                        but fella, he had a truck and a big ole boy what could drive it.. so fella, he rented out the truck to the family what had the
                        death.. bless their heart.

                        boy would take the truck and go by the church and pick up the deacons. they would sit on both sides of the truck bed in their sunday finest clothes. boy would drive the deacons to the funeral home and get the casket with the poor deceased and drive the body back to the church with the deacons all sittin' on both sides of the truck bed. the price was 10 cents per mile.
                        the fella and the boy knowed that the money wouldn't be immediately available, so the time involved was all figgered in.
                        that's part of why the price was 10 cent per mile ya see...
                        so now, the boy and the truck and the body and the deacons are all back at the church and parked in the shade. it's best to park in the shade because... oh well, just trust me on this... it gets hot in south ga.
                        the boy, he gets with the deacons. the head deacons mostly.. and explains that that the total trip was 28 miles and that would be $2.80...
                        the deacons they go inside and let folks know that the saree jane has arrived. time for the singing and the testifying...
                        saree jane was a good and honorable woman... mother to many and grandmother to many more... she was an active and faithful member of the church... the testifying and singing is given and then an offering is collected and the plate taken outside. the deacons, well, they'd like to take sister saree jane inside the church and then proceed on to bury her and then pay later... but.
                        boy, he knows that he's got to go home to fella with 2.80 so boy, he's smart, (later on in life he went and graduated from that school in Atlanta known as north ave. tech school... oops gettin' off track again.
                        so boy, counts the money with the head deacon and comes up with 1.35... that's a goodly amount of 90% silver coin *with some sho nuf copper and a little nickel too.
                        but it ain't 2.80 so mrs. saree jane, she stays in the bed of the truck.. the deacons go back in and they testify again and sing some more, and pass the plate again and this time, after the counting boy comes up with 60 cent. that's a total of 1.95 which is a goodly amount you know, but it ain't 2.80. the deacons they ask boy if they can go ahead and take mrs. saree jane inside, but they know the answer...

                        it's sad. but uncle jack, bless his heart, you know him don't you... he was the best bakker grower in them parts. a good man.. didn't drink on sundays. luvved to sing, and strong as an ox... but when he passed.. you heard what happened.
                        in case you forgot, that smith family, their son bobby, let the deacons have uncle jack on a promise of they'd pay up the rest of the money after the service and the burying... well bobby let them... the deacons, well they weren't lyin' times were just tough... that smith family. well they never got that money... hard coin was hard to come by... and oncet uncle jack was in the ground, well, what you gonna do? dig 'm up?
                        sorry. back to saree jane.. but you understand this is all part of the sareee jane story... boy knew... he knew good and well that if he let those deacons have saree, that he and hisn wouldn't never see that other 85 cent...

                        I know that you all want to hear all the finer points of this short version, but I'm tired of clicking on this here smith corona, so I'm gonna make it short...
                        it took 3 more times of singing, testifying, plate passing, money counting before they got the 2.80 all in boy's hand, so he could let the deacons take mrs. saree jane into the church for that the words could be said over her and that he could take the money on home to his dad.
                        boy didn't want to get beat by fella...
                        hard cash was tough to come by.
                        did I tell you about using the truck to help folks move?
                        well, there was this time... hmm.. ain't gonna tell it.. it's a sad story... but I'm gonna go look at the shotgun that came from that story and have me a time of remembering. if you guys will remind me at the next campfire, I may just tell it then.

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                        • #13
                          There was an old black undertaker here that said "you gots to get da money while da tears is in they eyes".

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                          • #14
                            yep... you must have kin over near whar fella lived...

                            course you would understand about all the testifying
                            helps folks dig deep.

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