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    Blog entry from a while back and my take on balance.


    Short term vs Long term which one ?.

    Many that are just starting to become preparedness minded are more than likely shocked at first by the amount of information about preparedness available to them on the web . One of the major preparations one will spend the most time on is food storage. There are many sources for information about this out there. From blogs like this one, to web forums to actual food storage studies done by universities. So who is correct,which one is right for you or me?

    I have my opinion on what folks should stock in their food preps, and it may be different from Joe over in Denver, who is different than Dan over in Miami. But the main thing that anyone starting to prep should remember is to make a plan first and stick to it. One of the basic ideas on food storage is the buy what you eat concept. This is a very good concept for those just starting out or for those planning for a short term event. It can be helpful and yet flawed at the same time , I will go into that later. The other Basic idea is buy as much as you can store. Long term storage of dry goods ranging from freeze dried goods, to whole grains and bulk packed food is very common these days and has many benifits.

    So which one is better suited for you. It is hard for me to say as it varies per person what their plans are, budget and storage space. But this is how i feel about food storage. Again this is just opinion, and you know what they say about that!

    Short term food storage in my eyes is largely based in the buy what you eat concept. This is where the survivalist or preparedness minded individual( for those PC types out there) will extend their normal shopping to add more to their pantry at home. Normally these goods vary from can goods to dry foods that have a shelf life of 1-5 years. This is a good way to go for those just starting as it is not as intimidating as trying to buy or pack 600 lbs of rice and beans at once ! The short term plan works great as a starting point, but as you progress in your preperations you will see the short comings of it and planning around it. One of the major downfalls I feel in a short term food storage program is that you are left stuck in short term mode. This means if the event your planning for last longer than what have planned for you are left up that creek with no paddle more or less. The other major downfall is you have to rotate the stock more often than LTS( long term storage). This can be a positive as well. It lends you to rotate back into your current pantry and shelves. This will save you money at first, as you continue this program you will start to lose money as the cost of food increases .The major positive side is that folks are continuously updating their stocks and keeping food in their home.The major reason STS(short term storage) shouldn't be a choice for anyone trying to prepare for any event longer than 6 weeks in my view is that I feel the money and space used for STS would be better used in LTS. I do however feel that STS is a vital part of a well rounded LTS plan.

    How can the STS plan work into and be a vital part of a LTS plan? Well for one, most people can't go out and dump a few hundred or few thousand dollars on LTS food preps all at once. Some can and great for them. But for the majority of folks they will start at the bench and work themselves up to 1st line pitchers ,if you get my drift. What will you do with your STS now that you've progressed into wanting to get started into a LTS plan , well keep it. You may wonder why i just said that. Well there is no reason not to keep a basic well stocked pantry at home. A large LTS program doesn't mean you should slack off on keeping your pantry stocked. When you have a 3 day power outage do you want to have to start opening up #10 cans and buckets of sealed grains to make meals for those 3 days. You can but why would you ?
    This is why i feel that on top of your LTS plan you should have a good STS plan in place. The STS preps will keep you grounded while you grow in your LTS program and size. Once your LTS program is at the level you feel is adequate for your plans, it can be left untouched until a major emergency or for many,many years down the road.

    Now lets go into what LTS storage involves. In our P.A.W movie series on You tube about LTS and STS programs we show some LTS preps and what to expect from them. and how to pack them . LTS will take up a lot more storage space than a STS program. This is a given since it is for the Long Term. But if your making that 1st step dont be afraid of that. Even a extended STS program can be border line LTS and still not take up to much space if planned correctly. For the most part LTS preps will be packed in #10 cans or buckets or if space is available 55 gallon plastic food grade drums. But it doesn't end there. LTS involves canning and preserving your own food if you are in a position to produce your own food as well . That is a whole different story there and the reality of a true LTS program and planning!

    Normally a LTS program is planned around the 1 yr per person mark. This can be intimidating at first but once it is shown how easy it is to pack and store it makes sense why so many people are doing it. A LTS program on avg should last 15-30yrs before rotation if packed correctly. Again if you watch our you tube channel you will see some real results of some LTS that are at the 20 yr mark and some that was not even stored as it should have been that is still good to eat! So compared to a STS program we have a rotation time that's many years past the 1-5 year mark that the STS plan has. That's a major positive in my book, as you are not constantly having to rotate and re buy new food stocks. In a LTS program you may have bought rice at 10$ per 50lbs 3 years ago and now 3 years later it is 26$ . If this was based on the STS plan(which rice can sometimes be stored ST with out any special packing needs.) we would have lost money rotating that food along with having to replace it. Break that down to even what a can of soup cost 3 years ago to now! This is the main area besides rotation were a LTS program excels ahead of the STS plan. If you chose the STS program remember that with in 1-5 years you will have to replace or rotate out your food items. This will cost you twice as much money than if you would have started an LTS. Now, i am not saying that a family or person should at day 1 run out and buy 800lbs of rice. Start small and with in your budget, but pack it correctly at the start and you can then merge it into a LTS program down the road with out worry. There is a set of movies on our channel that shows just what problems may arise if you do not pack correctly for STS or LTS. The rice shown in those movies could have been merged into our LTS program, but now it is wasted! Proper packing would have solved that and we would not have to rotate or purchase new rice for our STS program! Even 20 lbs packed right, is cheaper than replacing it in 5 yrs due to bugs,mold, or rot!

    So that is just a few of the positives and negatives of LTS and STS. What i have tried to show you is that they go hand in hand for a well balanced food storage program! The LTS plan is not perfect. In a long term event you really need to be self reliant in your food production. This has been proven 10 fold over in long term events across the world . Just like STS supplements LTS, LTS must be supplemented by gardens,farming, raising livestock to really make it worth it's while in an long term event. The major thing is do not sell yourself short in your planning. Start with what you can, and grow from there. It is you and your families well being during an event that is important. From the 3-4 day hurricane kit to a full 1 yr supply for four ! Plan,prep and learn!

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  • #2
    Well put. i am just starting out now. i am redoing my basemment and incorporating some extra storage areas. i am planning on buying either a 3 month or 6 month package for 2 right off the bat for LTS. And while saving for more food and gear, buying STS supplies every time we go shopping. that way i have a little saved up in case of need sooner rather than later.

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    • #3
      My advice is to store what you eat, eat what you store. When grocery items that you normally buy go on sale at discount prices. Buy as much as you will use before the shelf life runs out. So up to 2 years worth of canned soup for example. Why not buy a couple cases at 50 cents per can instead of buying it at 2 cans per week at $1 each? Same deal with pasta, rice, canned veggies, etc. Before you know it you will have 6 months worth of food on hand and be saving money on your over all food budget to boot!

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      • #4
        I almost always have a very well stocked pantry with everyday food readily available. My freezer is also well stocked. I have approximately 6 weeks - if stretched - of regular food. Everything else is long term. I agree with Protus that a blend of both types of storage is an excellent preparedness plan. I have focused on the long term because it was the greatest weakness I faced in my plan.

        Another issue for you younger folks is knowing how to prepare food. I rarely use instant, boxed and canned purchased items. I guess it's because as a child my family never used it. I remember when instant coffee, potatoes and TV dinners came out. My mother tried them, and the entire family, including her, couldn't eat it. I learned to cook food from unprocessed raw food. It must have carried over because I rarely use the fast cooking type foods. They just don't taste as good as the real home cooked food.

        I've noticed that among my younger friends and relatives the use of prepackaged or prepared food is very common. They use the microwave for these products while I use it to reheat! They simply do not know how to make a meal with unprocessed food. This is not a fault, it is a result of the society in which we live. Most families have 2 breadwinners and the convenience is necessary for them. I sometimes get such basic questions from my daughter-in-law, my niece in law, young cousins etc, that make me drop my jaw. Things like using a measuring cup or spoons, a sifter, etc.

        So while it's great to have all this storage, someone has to know how to use it and cook it. When you're hungry, making your first loaf of bread ever is not a good idea. I remember my first loaf! It went into the trash, and I'm an experienced cook! This post is not just for women. How many of you men can cook an eatable mean with unprocessed ingredients?

        Food for thought!

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        • #5
          store what you eat doesn't have to be restricted to grocery store items, it works just as well with LTS foods. the method is simple, buy a 1 year supply of food for each member of your family from whatever supplier you favor, then buy another. eat one and keep the other in reserve. each year buy another and eat the old one. this gets you used to the food, keeps your stocks rotated and will save you money. most folks don't realize that LTS food is actually less expensive than shopping every week. do the math. these days the average couple will spend $200/wk on food. multiplied by 52 weeks that comes to more than $10,000. most food storage vendors will sell you a years supply for 2 people for $4000-$5000, a substantial savings, even if you supplement it with a few fresh items every week.
          "Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. I may get killed with my own gun, but he's gonna have to beat me to death with it, cause it's going to be empty." - Clint Smith

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          • #6
            I like the theory and understand the savings but it is quite difficult to come up with the 4-5000$ for the LTS foods initially. thats y i want to start at a 3-6 month package and start supplementing it with the STS canned foods and pastas and the like. then hopefully save a little during that phase to get a bigger package.

            MonkeyBird makes a very good point too. i can read cookbooks and cook meat/potatoes/rice but only the basics. cooking with raw ingredients, the different beans, wheat and that i have very little knowledge of. hopefully that will all change in the coming months.

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            • #7
              even 3 month or 6 month kits save you money over storebought. do the same thing as i outlined, get two and eat one, then replace it at the end of the time period.
              "Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. I may get killed with my own gun, but he's gonna have to beat me to death with it, cause it's going to be empty." - Clint Smith

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tedennis View Post
                I like the theory and understand the savings but it is quite difficult to come up with the 4-5000$ for the LTS foods initially. thats y i want to start at a 3-6 month package and start supplementing it with the STS canned foods and pastas and the like. then hopefully save a little during that phase to get a bigger package.

                MonkeyBird makes a very good point too. i can read cookbooks and cook meat/potatoes/rice but only the basics. cooking with raw ingredients, the different beans, wheat and that i have very little knowledge of. hopefully that will all change in the coming months.


                LTS items do not cost 4-5k$.

                We all start off with can goods. The main thing is to rotate out and make your ST supplies a supplement to your LTS. This way you arent over stocked in wet packs that cost twice as much as LTS.
                Rice runs around the 13-15$ per 50 lbs. Even with a 200$ limit a person could put away a good 6+ month supply ( im talking more than just basic grains but extras) 200-300$ could get basics for 1-2 people for a year.
                The main thing is to save the cash you would drop for shipping/packing and do it yourself.
                Your looking at 30-40$ for 20-25 mylars per order through simpler living and around 5-12$ for the o2's.Least time i purchased from them.

                Thats about 30 lbs on avg per 5 gallon bucket.
                with a 30 lb of each-
                rice
                beans
                wheat
                sugar
                salt
                pasta

                is only 180 lbs of food and way below the 50$ mark. For one person thats a decent start into LTS and 4 times the amount of food that the same amount would buy in wet packed can goods. If your only planning for a ST then it gives you less to worry about in rotation, less cost and less worry. ALso it gives you a foot in the door per say when you decide to further your food preps in the LTS realm. IMHO like i posted in the blog, that you sell yourself short and your planning if you stick with wet packs alone.
                YMMV
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                • #9
                  To expand a little on storing food let's go beyond that to every day items we use. When you find personal items, clothing, tools, parts, etc. at sale prices why not stock up on those also? I've incorporated this strategy in our household. Believe me you will make your wife real happy when she finds shoes and things on sale and wants to know the spending limit and you say to buy everything on the shelf.

                  Most here have probably read it but for those who haven't here is a .pdf book that really had an impact on my thinking with a lot of things: http://www.biorationalinstitute.com/...a_strategy.pdf

                  Why buy one pair of shoes or jeans or toothbrush on sale ( short term planning) when you could buy everything on the shelf and not have worry about it for probably years ( long term planning and eliminating the effects of inflation )?

                  Just something to think about.
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                  • #10
                    When you find personal items, clothing, tools, parts, etc. at sale prices why not stock up on those also?
                    Many see that as commonsense approach to stocking up on certain consumables. However, over the years there have been many so called "experts" that have laughed at the idea of stocking up on such items as a waste of money. The reason being that if it is easy to produce it will still be around to purchase. Because of this many people do not see the positives of stocking up on items you will burn through fast ( socks, TP,soaps etc)....i rotated out some old TP stocks and replaced with some newer ones recently. We didnt buy TP for almost 2 months. Thats money we saved. I also recall the 1st time we rotated our ST food stocks . Our food bill for the month for 3 people was below 100$......
                    Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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                    • #11
                      You are on the right track.

                      Whenever I find discounted items that we use, I buy all that I can at the discount. Every week the local pharmacy (CVS) has a loss leader in their advertisement. It is usually a commonly used item that is free after rebate. So I have several months worth of soap, shampoo, deoderant, over the counter medicines etc. I buy whatever is free or deeply discounted that week. I haven't paid full retail for toothpaste etc. in years. There is simply no need to. Everything I buy has a threshold price. When the price drops below that threshold, I buy as much as I can. For me that is soup at under 33 cents per can, either of two brands of toilet paper at under 50 cents per roll, pasta at less than 50 cents per pound, beef at under $2 per pound, dog food under 50 cents per pound. This week my local grocery store has angus beef at $1.99 per pound. I plan to buy at least 25 pounds and freeze it until needed. I can use it as roasts, slice it into steaks, cut it into stew chunks, or grind it into burger. Why pay more?

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