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    O.k., there've been several discussions around grain mills but most are older. A few months ago I found a demo/review on cheaper cast iron and the Back to Basics grain mills (either here or on PAW productions...can't remember and can't find it again). So, I decided to 'take the plunge' and get a less expensive Back to Basics (Victorio) grain mill. I didn't know if I could bake with fresh whole grains and I didn't have a local source for bulk wheat, so I didn't want to spend $200 to $400 on an experiment. Sams club has the Victorio for about $65 including shipping. Here's a brief synopsys of my journey so far.

    I had a #10 can of hard red winter wheat to use to start with (about 5lbs) and a recipe for whole wheat bread. It takes about 3 cups of flour for a loaf so I decided to make a two loaf batch to start with. The B to B grinder worked well and I was able to grind the flour fine enough for home made bread, that's the good news. The not so good news is that it took what seemed forever to grind 6 cups of flour. You get what you pay for (most of the time). The saying in the engineering/IT world is "Good, Fast, Cheap...pick two". This one is good and cheap so it's not fast...oh well.

    The bread came out a little on the heavy side and, after doing some research, I know what I did wrong. First, too much flour. I had the dough too dry. Second, I used fast-acting yeast and let the first rise go too long. It wasn't 'lead bread' but also not sandwich quality...but it tasted great!

    I've since found a local source for bulk wheat. 50lb bag of bakery quality wheat (hard white) for $32. Not the best price but when you live in yuppieville you take what you can get. Since finding that, I've purchased (today) a Wondermill junior deluxe and at least broke it in and ground some flour. The deluxe kit comes with both the stones and stainless steel grinding wheels.

    I'm going to try the bread again with the hard white wheat and see what happens.

    As a note for those who care about this kind of thing, here's what you get for 50 pounds of wheat. Since I prepare for just the two of us, I pack in 1 gallon mylar bags. In each bag, I put 12 cups of whatever I'm packing (leaves a little extra room in case I screw up the seal and have to cut it off and reseal). I'm not that OCD to have purposely measured this out. It just so happens that the most convenient scoop I have for that size bag is a 4 cup measurer and it takes 3 of them to fill the bags to my liking.

    1 50 pound bag = 10 1 gallon mylar bags of wheat
    I put 12 cups in each mylar bag
    1 50 pound bag = approximately 120 cups of wheat
    1 loaf of bread takes about 3 cups of flour
    1 50 pound bag = approximately 40 loaves of bread

    Now, the amount of flour to a loaf is going to vary by both recipe and temperature/humidity so ymmv.

    There are two attachments that I might give a try with the Wondermill. First, for $30, is an attachment for a variable speed drill.
    The second, for $60, is a v-groove pully to put a motor on it. I have a defunct drill press (freebie from a friend that has a bent shaft...the drill press not the friend LOL) that has a perfectly good motor, pully, belt and on/off switch. I'll try one/both of these if I start making enough flour to warrant the effort.
    Last edited by jimmycthemd; 11-02-2013, 04:43 PM.
    "Common sense might be common but it is by no means wide spread." Mark Twain

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    Actually, everything I have read/researched states clearly that 1 cup of wheat grains/berries equals 1-1/2 cups of flour when ground, so you are underestimating you total return on a 50# bag of wheat.

    Frugal by Choice, Cheap by Necessity: Grinding your own wheatbeingfrugalbychoice.blogspot.com/2012/.../grinding-your-own-wheat.ht...‎Cached
    SimilarFeb 29, 2012 - I am a proud owner of a Wondermill, but there are many options available. ... that one cup of wheat berries is equal to 1.5 cups of flour when ground. ... 1 tblsp of vital wheat gluten (I get it from Azure Standard) per 1 cup of flour.Frugal by Choice, Cheap by Necessity: Updating an old favorite ...beingfrugalbychoice.blogspot.com/.../updating-old-favorite-sandwich-br...‎Cached
    SimilarMay 1, 2012 - The new loaves are better for us and so much cheaper! ... 2 cups generally equals 1 pound 50 pounds of wheat berries means 100 cups of wheat berries 1 cup of wheat berries yields 1.5 cups of flour for 150 cups of flour per ...45lbs. of wheat berries is how many cups of flour? - Yahoo! Answersanswers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=20120226094218AALQWdd‎CachedFeb 26, 2012 - 45lbs. of hard white wheat berries is equal to 98 cups. Searching the internet I have found that roughly 1 cup of berries makes 1.5 cups flour.
    Last edited by goatlady; 11-03-2013, 03:40 PM. Reason: added links

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    • #3
      I know that's what the blogs say. I put a cup of flour in my grinder, and got a cup of flour out of it. There was some left on the stones and around the auger so that might make up for the difference. I didn't want to keep grinding too long and wear out the stones. I'll have to measure that part next time.
      "Common sense might be common but it is by no means wide spread." Mark Twain

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      • #4
        I had put up a vid on a cast iron grinder in the Members section....its where I put most of my vids. My plan was to use the cast iron grinder to do the first couple of passes then switch over the Victorio grinder to finish it off. If it were me and I had that drill motor laying around I would go with that add-on and forget the add-on for the variable speed drill.
        "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 610Alpha View Post
          If it were me and I had that drill motor laying around I would go with that add-on and forget the add-on for the variable speed drill.
          That's my thought exactly. I'm going to set aside some money and buy the pully. Just as an fyi for those that don't have the more expensive grinder, it turns WAY harder than the Victorio. It's pure physics. The Victorio has about a 1/8" grinding area while the Wondermill has a couple of inches. It also puts out the appropriately larger quantity of grain for each turn of the handle. Grinding larger quantities of grain makes for a decent (though mild) upper body workout :-)
          "Common sense might be common but it is by no means wide spread." Mark Twain

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jimmycthemd View Post
            That's my thought exactly. I'm going to set aside some money and buy the pully. Just as an fyi for those that don't have the more expensive grinder, it turns WAY harder than the Victorio. It's pure physics. The Victorio has about a 1/8" grinding area while the Wondermill has a couple of inches. It also puts out the appropriately larger quantity of grain for each turn of the handle. Grinding larger quantities of grain makes for a decent (though mild) upper body workout :-)
            I don't know guys, I still think that I'd get the drill attachment as a back-up in case something happened to the motor and I couldn't find a replacement right away. Been looking at these myself.
            "It has been said that preparedness and being prepared promotes fear. This isn't true.......being UNPREPARED is what promotes fear"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DIM TIM View Post
              I don't know guys, I still think that I'd get the drill attachment as a back-up in case something happened to the motor and I couldn't find a replacement right away. Been looking at these myself.
              With the pulley u could rig it up to a bike with the tire removed from the front rim. Then it becomes leg powered....they make stands that turn a regular bike into a stationary bike.
              "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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              • #8
                My experiences:

                I have an ELECTRIC Wondermill for "normal times." It is FAST, loud and produces beautiful flour. I don't have time to spin cranks... Hand cranking is too many passes through the mill to get really quality flour. The Wondermill Junior for when times go "more manual" after all my gas for a generator is burned up and the batteries no longer power the inverter... Basically, TEOTWAWKI.

                Hard white mixed with hard red makes good bread! Not so "hearty" and heavy...

                Don't grind and bake as often as would like, too busy. Store-bought organic breads are still cheap enough.

                Rmpl
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 610Alpha View Post
                  With the pulley u could rig it up to a bike with the tire removed from the front rim. Then it becomes leg powered....they make stands that turn a regular bike into a stationary bike.
                  Not a bad idea. I have an old 12-speed that'd probably work for that. Just gotta find a belt to put on it.
                  "Common sense might be common but it is by no means wide spread." Mark Twain

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 610Alpha View Post
                    With the pulley u could rig it up to a bike with the tire removed from the front rim. Then it becomes leg powered....they make stands that turn a regular bike into a stationary bike.
                    Fair enough, but...I'd still back it up. JMHO
                    "It has been said that preparedness and being prepared promotes fear. This isn't true.......being UNPREPARED is what promotes fear"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DIM TIM View Post
                      Fair enough, but...I'd still back it up. JMHO
                      I also have a small Victorio grinder as a backup. Both that and the Wondermill are hand powered as they stand. I'll try to motorize the Wondermill for convenience.
                      "Common sense might be common but it is by no means wide spread." Mark Twain

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