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  • Help Some basics on using buckets / mylar to store food.....

    I seem to be a little confused about storing in buckets and mylar etc.

    I see vidoes of using mylar bags and 02 eaters inside buckets etc.

    If you use food grade buckets and O2 eaters why use the mylar ? And if you use Mylar bags and seal them up with the 02 eaters Why do you need food grade buckets?

    We are just beginning to store some food and really do not know what the heck we are doing. I can get food grade buckets and the pound on gasket lids. Which should stay sealed for a coons age...

    We store many items such as soups and rice meals that are sealed in there own packages, And Just store them in plastic containers. Anything wrong with that ?

    As with many thigs I believe people may "Overthink" the problem !
    YOU MUST CONSUME ! YOU MUST CONSUME ! YOU MUST CONSUME !

  • #2
    Top of the basics forum is two sticky'ed threads regarding this. Read those both through, if your questions aren't answered there, follow up on the DIY packing thread.
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    • #3
      You don't have to use 02, mylar, and a bucket - but wouldn't it be awful in a SHTF situation to realize your really, really should have? If I am going to invest the time and money into packing food stuffs, I am going to do it as well as possible - I have already learned my lesson on that one and am the proud owner of 100 pounds of buggy rice.

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      • #4
        Look on youtube for videos made by PAW Productions - delta69alpha and also Survival Report.
        "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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        • #5
          I wondered if people were using buckets without the mylar bags for grain etc. Still dont know for sure.
          In any case I read a lot of postings and threads about the buckets still smelling like the original contents for months and after washing. That tells me the original contents must have leached there way into the plastic. In which case the opposite has likely happened as well.
          The fact that a bucket (material) is OK for storing pickles for one month does not mean it is OK to store rice for 10 yrs. Remember the manufacturers are not going to spend a single dime that they do not have to ! And the EPA Allows a certain amount of leaching over a designated period of time. Even down to the bottled water you buy to drink.
          So I say use whatever storage containers / buckets are easy to get as long as they do not contain harmful chemicals use the mylar to protect your food from absorbing chems from the plastic and Store Away !!..

          Thanks or the replies..
          Last edited by survivealone; 02-05-2013, 06:27 PM.
          YOU MUST CONSUME ! YOU MUST CONSUME ! YOU MUST CONSUME !

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          • #6
            Their would be no reason other than ignorance or cheapness in today's day to not use mylar liners.

            We did BACK IN THE DAY (80's and early 90's) because THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE THEN.

            Ever since they have been available, we've used them.

            IMO, it would be stupid to not use mylar liners or to substitute with something ridiculous like "chip bags" or "party balloons". The problem with people that advocate that crap is that they really have no concept of actually using the food later AND have never stored food long term. If either of these held true they would not fool around with stupid ideas like those.
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            • #7
              I dont think that is necessarily a fair assessment. It may be a stupid idea depending on where you store your stuff but in my case, I have improvised secondary containers that work incredibly well for the conditions in which they are stored. I have dry goods that have been put away for long periods of time >8 years stored in recycled secondary containers and we use the products inside without any issues at all. In fact, I am currently making chicken parm for dinner and the pasta has been stored for a very long time (since 2003).
              I would not advocate using a balloon but I have used them in the past. If I were packaging to store out in the shop or barn, I would advocate something that would be able to handle the humidity and temperature extremes like mylar bags but I would never say someone is stupid for being creative.
              If one is to be creative when storing goods, test first. Make sure you pull from those stocks and use them to ensure your storage method is working. If it fails, then you know what not to do and you can search for a better option.
              I scored a huge box of those giant balloons that have the big rubber band attached to them. I ended up storing a crapload of medical supplies in them and tied them off. You can tie them to a cinder block and drop them in a pond, come back a month later and pull out the bandages and not one is even damp. Still in the package and as good as the day they were tossed in. Since that worked so well, I made up first aid kits for packs and b.o.b.s that could get wet and go through a river and would not screw up the contents inside.
              Creativity works well, just test your idea to ensure it works.

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              • #8
                When you can produce essentially the same exact results as the professional packing houses, wherein your food will storage fine for DECADES, why in the hell would you ever screw around with any half way methods?

                In the PAW and you need to put up a little wheat from the harvest? Sure MAYBE. I think their would probably be used buckets and used mylar that I would put up a little wheat from the harvest with first however.

                It's not that most people are being "creative" when they come with some of these ridiculous notions- it's that they are being CHEAP. That's why I coined the "stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime" phrase in the original video. Because MANY people will cheese out and try to use pop bottles, party balloons, handwarmers and STUPID items like that in order to save a buck. But it really ends up COSTING THEM MORE later.

                Oh geez, I had no idea the 2 liter pop bottle would biodegrade! It's almost like like, it was DESIGNED TO DO THAT. LOL

                Ultimately, most people do not rotate their food like they should. What does that mean? That means that they need to plan for the best long term protection money can buy for the food. Some of the rice we put up early on, say in 1991 was $14. per ONE HUNDRED lbs. Just read a post on another forum wherein someone was saying it's now $20. per FIFTY lbs. Had I went cheeze ball'ish on the packaging and put the rice in 2 liter pop bottles it would now be garbage.

                In case you haven't seen it, their is a BIG PROBLEM with the movement right now wherein a whole genre of people claim to "have no money to prep" -just like the dumbarses on Doomsday preppers that say that but then you see their shiny new Black Mustang in the driveway and they are taking FLYING LESSONS, but are jury rigging their food preps.... However people will spend money on WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM.
                (the following is a general statement, not directed at you)

                If your family eating safe food in the future is important to you- you'll spend the money on that. If it isn't, you'll continue to blow money on Ipads, cable service, fancy cars, an overpriced McMansion in the suburbs and then half arse your food preps with things like 2 liter pop bottles, handwarmers, etc.
                Boris- "He's famous, has picture on three dollar bill!"

                Rocky- "Wow! I've never even seen a three dollar bill!"

                Boris- "Is it my fault you're poor?"

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                • #9
                  Ok....here's the deal. To protect a 5 gallon bucket of rice or beans here's the prices for the mylar bags and oxygen absorbers (high priced brick-and-mortor retail):

                  1 6-gallon mylar bag $3.50
                  100 100cc oxygen absorbers $11.99

                  I use 1 mylar bag and about 15 oxygen absorbers. Total additional price to insure your food: $5.50

                  Realize that this is doing it about the MOST expensive way...paying full retail, no web or volume discounts. Less than a meal at Mickey-D's. C'mon folks...get real or get lost.

                  Or, an even more expensive way (I do some this way for convenience):

                  4 1 gallon mylar bags $5.00
                  100 100cc oxygen absorbers 11.99

                  In a 5 gallon bucket, I fit 2 gallons of rice, 2 gallons of beans and 1 gallon of oatmeal. I also add some salt, sugar and spices in the space between the bags (in double ziploc baggies). I use 3 100cc oxygen absorbers per 1 gallon bag. That's $6.44 at full retail prices.

                  Don't know about you, but MY family's worth it....do you think YOURS is?
                  Last edited by jimmycthemd; 02-08-2013, 05:19 PM.
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