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  • Guns/Food ratios

    One thing I've noticed and always wondered about was the weapons/food ratio of most survivalists.

    Having met a ton of folks over the last 24 years I can tell you that it would seem the majority of survivalists (probably 70% or more) are too heavy on the weapons side and too light on the food side.

    Why is this?

    Let's be honest here- GUNS ARE FUN! I mean really.... can you take a couple of buckets of food storage out and blast away converting money into sound? Nope. And I can't remember the last time I saw a contest trying to find out who could get the tightest grouping on a target pitching #2 1/2 cans at the targets!

    To be serious now- weapons ARE a very important part of our preparedness, no doubts there. And lest I sound like a hypocrite, we are fairly well stocked ourselves (all BB guns of course, no real guns ;) .

    The problem remains that weapons are cool and people like collecting them. When you have a survivalist friend you TRUST come over, what would you be more apt to show them? A few things from your weapons collection or some #10 cans?

    As having been in the "visiting survivalist friend" position more than a handful of times, 99% of the time people WANT to show you some of their gun collection. I don't EVER remember asking either.

    By this point on average a dozen or more weapons were paraded out to me. Usually their is one or zero duplicates of any weapon. More times than not their is not even 3 weapons in the lot that take the same ammunition. I've seen a lot of archaic stuff that's been rationalized as "hand out guns."

    On a few occasions I've been also shown "the pantry." Usually by the female of the house with sometimes the man barely showing interest.

    In comparison to the gun collection, the pantry is usually pathetic. Rarely any true long term storage items. Usually a mish mash of wet packed canned goods from the store along with a plethora of poggee bait stuff like candy bars, bags of chips, soda, etc.

    When asked I usually say "have you considered selling a few of the weapons and getting a little more food storage?" Boy if you ever want to feel "outed" by a gun guy, suggest to him that he sell some of his weapons!!! Ouch!

    But really we should seek a proper BALANCE in our preps.

    I got "gun happy" in the late 90's. I was making a good bit of money and ended up frequenting a lot of gunshows. Not realizing, I amassed quite a number of weapons. We had a good amount of food storage at the time as I made preps for my extended family as well as myself (single at the time).

    A couple of reasons including a severe need for money in 2000 and 2001 got me thinking what I needed all those FOR? Some of the weapons were clearly "locker queens." Some were clearly neat guns I bought that I always wanted- a.k.a the PRIDE purchase. More than a few proved to be unreliable.

    During a two year period I sold probably 40 weapons off because of the reasons above.

    Another consideration no one ever considers is this- what happens when the single family living in a city or area that ends up being overrun has 40-50 extra weapons? They become a RESUPPLY POINT for looters.

    Looters might go in with Lorcin .25's and come out with a dozen AR's and AK's. Seriously, think about that.

    How many weapons can you really USE? This isn't a video game where you can carry 6 different long guns and toggle between each one. This is real life.

    Even the "I'll sling a shotgun on my back, carry a rifle and pistol" types rarely ever consider it again after even a mile long patrol in the woods with that kind of setup.

    Will you need more than just one rifle and one pistol? Sure you probably will, but you have to know when your off balanced in your preps.

    A family of four doesn't REALLY need 40 weapons. 20 might be stretching it but that's more realistic. Dare I say at least 10% of what you have should either be cached or put in another secure location also.

    So be sure to keep a good balance. The folks that have nothing but guns and gear and 2 cases of old moldy MRE's are going to be forced into becoming looters later on.

    Do you really want to have to FIGHT for each meal? That's counter productive to survival don't cha think?

    Your thoughts on this?

    Lowdown3
    www.homesteadingandsurvival.com

    www.survivalreportpodcast.com

    "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed..."

  • #2
    Being female, I don't have a strong interest in guns. In fact, until last year I didn't own a gun except for a very fine inherited shotgun. When I woke to prepping, I bought my first gun and have since learned to use both the handgun and the shotgun. I may not be the best shot in the crowd, but I can hit the parts of a human being that might be lethal.

    I keep telling myself to go a head a buy an assault rifle. But it seems $700.00 or $800.00 can be better spent on food, gardening supplies and solar energy. It's a matter of priorities.

    Do I really need an assault rifle? If not, what exactly do I need?

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    • #3
      LowDown, agree 100%. Balance is the key word. Far too many concentrate too heavily in one direction or the other. Sadly, I have seen a significant number of people who own guns, and even those who are supposedly preparedness minded folks, who openly state that they dont worry about food and such, and concentrate mainly on guns and ammo, because they intend to take whatever they need. Oddly enough, I have also found a correlation among these folks in that they also are some of the main ones who think that formal training is a waste of time and money. Go figure.

      Monekybird, my preference is for a good rifle/carbine, and a good handgun, with plenty of mags, ammo, and spare parts. I'll take a rifle/carbine over a shotgun hands down. For me, there is nothing I can accomplish with a shotgun that I cant do with a rifle, and usually better. Again, thats personal preference though on my part. One has to use what they have at their disposal, and what they can budget/afford. This is where the balance issue comes into play as LowDown3 mentioned.

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      • #4
        to monkeybird yes you do need an assault weapon shotgun and handguns have very limit range and they were made to be fired alot like the assault weapon also you can pick up a sks or ak 47 for alot less that 700 in fact sks rifles should be in the 250 to 300 range they have very light recoil and are easy to shoot and they is tons of ammo for them out there another reason to own one,
        lowdown i agree most are gun heavey myseld included but since i now live with an hours drive of three step children and their spouses who are very gun light or not armed i plan to be able to supply them as well, just my 2 cents worth

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        • #5
          I guess it depends on how you come to "survival ism" if you come via the homesteading route, you might be light on guns. On the other hand if you come up reading Ragnar Benson, Mel Tappan and others you will come up gun heavy.

          As you grow you can see both sides. If all you are prepping for is guns, then you setting your self up to be a raider and pillager. (i have other names for them, but trying to keep it family friendly)

          Balance is the key, Hardin great point on planning for who you might to supplement. I entend on having firearms for my kids and wife, that is 7 besides myself. That can add up. As long as i don't over look being able to feed and take care of them also.

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          • #6
            By this point on average a dozen or more weapons were paraded out to me.
            Hmm..last time that happened around me ;)


            great post, balance is key.

            If you can afford a 1500$ rifle..you can get some food for your family!
            Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by eeyore View Post
              I guess it depends on how you come to "survival ism" if you come via the homesteading route, you might be light on guns. On the other hand if you come up reading Ragnar Benson, Mel Tappan and others you will come up gun heavy.

              As you grow you can see both sides. If all you are prepping for is guns, then you setting your self up to be a raider and pillager. (i have other names for them, but trying to keep it family friendly)

              Balance is the key, Hardin great point on planning for who you might to supplement. I entend on having firearms for my kids and wife, that is 7 besides myself. That can add up. As long as i don't over look being able to feed and take care of them also.

              Very true! And a LOT of folks are drawn into survivalism from a gun background. The problem is, some of them never think to "balance out."
              Boris- "He's famous, has picture on three dollar bill!"

              Rocky- "Wow! I've never even seen a three dollar bill!"

              Boris- "Is it my fault you're poor?"

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              • #8
                to hardin,thats a good idea to think about supplying them with guns think like lowdown said too that being a common caliber or gun is a good idea for parts mags ect.you have to make sure you have food for them too if there not preparing for that either.
                about the ratio too i think it depends on what your planning on defending also.if your at a retreat a rifle would be more appropiate, where your in the suburbs while a rifle would still work a shotgun would be a good close range weapon fo someone in the house

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                • #9
                  First of all, I agree wholeheartedly with the thread topic. Speaking as one who is just starting out in prepping, I've got some questions though. When should I start preparing an armoury? After I have three months supply of food? Maybe six?
                  As well, because money is tight, what is the most important gun to purchase? Probably after one purchase, I'll be back to recouping my finances.

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                  • #10
                    I think a lot of people that are "survivalists" were gun nuts first. Then there are the gun nuts that consider prepping another way to justify more gear. You don't want to be hungry standing among a pile of ammo and you don't want to see your pile of food hauled off by armed robbers if you are unarmed. Balance is key. Get a self defense gun, get food, get a rifle, get more food, get ammo and training, get more food............

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                    • #11
                      There are other considerations in this discussion. I personally like guns. I have been around them since I was nine, and own too many right now. The problem, after a bit of thought, is that 1) if you have to 'bug out' you're going to end up abandoning some of them. 2) They are NOT good trading material, because the guy you traded the gun to might just come back and use it on you. Maybe a rule of thumb might be to get what you're comfortable carrying? i.e. if it takes you more than ten minutes to throw it in the truck, you could be screwed anyway. Do you want to be loading up those six extra rifles and accompanying ammo when you could be loading up another month's worth of food? Something to think about.

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                      • #12
                        Pilgrim,

                        I would do it in balanced way. For example if we say a minimum battery would be a defence rifle (semi auto with a military round) a shotgun, a 22 rifle (semi auto) and a defensive caliber pistol. I would say that a years worth of food is a minimum. So you could say three months and buy a third of your food, then first weapon, then three more months buy the next and so on. But there is so much more then just that, there is water and a way to filter it, clothing and ways to repair it, knives, lighting and so on. An alternate source of heating and shelter.

                        As for what is first firearm? I would say it depends on location and need. IF you are in the city, then i would opt for the pistol or the shotgun first. Then follow with the 22 and then the rifle. But it is not just buying the gun, you need to practice with it, clean and care for it. And put up some extra ammo for it. Some may disagree with me here, but i would try to complete (as much as possible) each item before you move on. Not like food. What i mean is: for example if you wanted a 100 pounds of pintos for year worth of food. so you could spilt that up into 25 pounds should be about a fourth of your goal. But don't so that with you weapons and say well ammo is a fourth of the total, so i will buy it all at once with out having a gun yet.

                        I hope that is clear, if you can afford it get it all, if not be methodical and have lists to help you stay on tract.

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                        • #13
                          Great thread, food for thought. My one thought on the guns is if you are supporting two locations, home & retreat/fallback position, may call for more guns. But then again there is the need for cached food. I'll have to reconsider some assumptions. Thanks.
                          Survival question. What do I need most, right now?

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                          • #14
                            We never got a gun until last year, a rifle, never could afford one. I would like to get one more next year, that should be enough.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pilgrim View Post
                              First of all, I agree wholeheartedly with the thread topic. Speaking as one who is just starting out in prepping, I've got some questions though. When should I start preparing an armoury? After I have three months supply of food? Maybe six?
                              As well, because money is tight, what is the most important gun to purchase? Probably after one purchase, I'll be back to recouping my finances.
                              Please understand that I was not disparaging weapons, quite the contrary, we need at the very minimum a good basic battery of firearms.

                              The problem I've seen over 24 years is "what is enough?" when it comes to guns.

                              I did the "handout to family members" justification for a while- never ever considered arming neighbors or people I didn't know. A close look at it though showed that MOST family members had their own weapons, so that kinda shot down my justification there :0

                              If it was a true starting from nothing with preps deal, i.e, not a single firearm, not a single scrap of food then I'd buy a weapon first. Not twelve of them, but one solid platform, then look at buying some food, say six months of the basics. After that, I'd look at rounding out he basic battery and the necessary logistics for the same- ammo, some spare parts, carry gear, etc.

                              The liberal "can't we all get along" we don't need guns type prepper (can't bring myself to call folks like that survivalists) will likely be robbed blind and killed by a marauder.

                              The gun fanactic 50 weapons but no food prepper will likely starve to death or be killed trying to steal food.

                              Balance is what is needed.
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