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    I had decided this year to grow a vegetable garden to help off-set the price of food costs. I started late (end of May) for my area. I made four 4X4 square foot garden beds, due to the heavy clay we have as soil.

    Things started off like gang busters, but then went south in a hurry. I’m hoping that some of you more experienced gardners may be able to let me know where I went wrong.

    First bed…

    Green Beans ( I think Blue Lake); I thought they were bush beans, but I quickly found out that they are pole beans. I then place four tomato cages inside the bed to give the vines to grab on to, as I didn't have any kind of trellis. They are spreading all over the place now, but I have yet to see Green Bean number one.
    They seem to be healthy but some of the lower leaves have fallen off (only if they are close to the ground).

    Second bed…

    Tomatoes (early Girl and Roma), Green onions, and Carrots ;

    Forget the Green Onions, they have never taken off and there is only a couple of very small ones still there (less then two inches in height). But the Tomatoes are growing like wild flowers, and they were, at first producing fruit. But then the fruit would ripen way too early and would not taste right due to the immaturity of the fruit. Now the plants are still growing just fine (even flowering) but no new fruit is developing.
    I have grown Tomatoes for years and have never seen this lack of production before.

    Third bed…

    Corn (Silver Queen (White)) and Bulb Onions (Texas 10/18);

    The Onions appear to be doing fine (maybe). The Corn, I thought was doing good, as ears of corn had grown, then all of a sudden they stopped maturing just like the tomatoes.
    I picked a small dry ear yesterday and found out that it was completely dry and worthless. So now I am stuck with miniature ears of immature corn, and I’m afraid they will be just as bad as the tomatoes.

    Fourth bed…

    Bell peppers, Hot Banana peppers, and Jalapenos’;

    First the Banana peppers have been losing a lot of leaves from the bottom branches, but they have done OK (not great), as far as production goes. I have yet to taste them, but they look normal.

    The Jalapenos’ are doing fantastic in growth and production.

    The bell peppers (green, red, and yellow), have been growing Okay, but have also shown a lot of leaf loss. I originally had all of the green bells with fruit on them, but all of a sudden the fruit started to turn way (way before) to early. In fact they were turning red at about three inches of length. If that wasn’t bad enough, they all have a big brown spot on them. The spot does not appear to be due to an insect, but something else. Now my red and yellow peppers are producing, and the same thing is happening. To add insult to injury, each plant has produced exactly one fruit each :-( Then it would wilt for a few weeks, before flowering again. Just to produce nothing.

    I also have three pots for vegetables,

    The first is a Cayenne pepper plant. This has done great and will give me some good Cayenne pepper powder, once I finish dehydrating them.

    Then I have two additional Tomato plants (Beef Master?) They have been growing like crazy along with flowering, but not one fruit has even been produced at this point.


    Please if any of what I have mentioned raises red flags to what I may be doing wrong, please feel free to give me suggestions. Not for this year, but maybe for next year anyway.
    Last edited by TyrannyUnleashed; 08-18-2011, 10:29 PM.
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  • #2
    I am no expert, 2nd year gardener, but I did a raised bed this year based off of what I learned from Len Pense (near the Ozarks). I watered mine every day, used organic fertilizer, and Azomite (trace minerals and elements). Garden size was 4 x 16. Picked beans off my bush plants several times, same for cucumbers, lots of green onions, baby carrots to be picked, and beef master (Indeterminate variety).

    My growing media: Cotton Burr Compost, Parboiled Rice hulls, and Peat Moss. Very loose soil, doesn't compact like regular dirt does, I can stick my hand through the soil all the way to the bottom when I want.

    I am reading a book by John Jeavons (worth the read IMO) that has a lot of info on gardening, companion planting, double dig method, organic fertilizer etc.



    Did you use any fertilizer? Sounds like they got a quick shot and then just stopped...this isn't the first time this year I have heard this so their might be something going around...dunno.
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    • #3
      My experience with the onions, beans and corn sound like yours... Onion stalks fell over before onions were as big as they were supposed to be. Beans have blossums but as of yet failed to produce. They were attached to the corn, which was a miserable failure. I ended up just a few days ago ripping the dwarfed & deformed corn out with the beans attached. The dead stalks were no longer supporting the beans and it all went to downhill from there.

      My tomatoes produced but I planted them too close and I started to get some kind of disease that started at the lowest branches and began to go up. But I did get a decent crop out of them, enough to realize that too many tomatoes, due to their acidity, was not good for my body system, messing with digestion and acidic urine, feeling like a mild urinary tract infection. I will plant a lot LESS tomotoes next year and focus on something else...

      My lettuce and spinach did amazing though, while it lasted... Wish they were a year round crop...

      So I feel your pain... As I told anyone who would listen, "If I had to survive on my garden, I would be DEAD..." I have said that for several years in a row now and unless I become a student under a master gardener, or someone just as good, I am claiming my BROWN THUMB award and reconsidering my garden plans...

      I think with my garden, the problem is the SOIL... And it may be with yours as well. I plan to get it tested by a real lab in the fall...
      -=> Rmplstlskn <=-

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      • #4
        elittle and Rmplstlskn


        It could be my soil. When I made my raised beds, I purchased Sphagnum Moss, Cow Manure, Vermiculite, and Top soil. I wanted the garden to be as organic as possible. There has been no additional fertilizer added at all.
        And I only sprayed (Pesticide) once, due to a severe outbreak of caterpillars on the tomatoes and the peppers.

        And make no mistake the soil is very loose all the way to the ground. In fact, I had to put stakes on my corn to keep the wind from blowing it to the ground.

        This has really been a frustrating summer. I wanted to save money. But instead, I am going to the farmers market more than I have ever before (I’m canning food for the first time). And that really doesn’t save me money. But at least I know I’m buying from local farmers (this is important as well).
        Last edited by TyrannyUnleashed; 08-19-2011, 12:04 AM.
        If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
        ~James Madison

        You will eat your Brocoli and like it, or I'll have to TAX you.
        No more Big Gulps for you either!

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        • #5
          many have said this is a strange summer... folks all over have complained about their beans. Much of country has been high heat, little moisture or drowning... unfortunately neither of these are good for any garden... raised beds, while nice, suck nutrients going for natural or organic is difficult unless you have the means to create your own fertilizers... not sure where ya are but i am in n ga and our onions, both green and bulb do much better in the fall and spring rather than as summer crops...

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          • #6
            It's not the raised beds, it's the summer weather! Waaay tooo hot so soon and for so long hardly anything has been able to produce in my raised beds this year. I have a feeling some of the lack of production problems may have happened because it was just too dern hot, air temp-wise, for the insects to pollinate stuff and those 110+ degrees days just suck the moisture out of the leaves of the plants. I'm personally shooting for a fall garden this year so am getting busy cleaning out the plants in now.

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            • #7
              I would get your soil tested, just to be on the safe side.
              "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TyrannyUnleashed View Post
                It could be my soil. When I made my raised beds, I purchased Sphagnum Moss, Cow Manure, Vermiculite, and Top soil. I wanted the garden to be as organic as possible.
                I have discovered that what sells for TOP SOIL is JUNK! Mostly mulch... I decided last year to "improve" my red, somewhat clay-ish VA soil, so I bought the best bagged top soil I could find and some bags of "soil enhancers," as well as some manure. Added some leaf compost as well. It turned out TERRIBLE last year... The most frustrating was the ANTS that must have been hidden in the top soil that took over the raised beds... Also, when the top soil went down, it looked all nice, black and rich, but after a few weeks and some rains I saw that it was just mostly MULCH... CRAP soil!

                So last fall I dug out all the "top soil" and went back to my VA red clay-ish soil, with leaf compost mixed in. MUCHO better this year, but still had problems as whined about above. Even the earthworms started coming back...

                But I think my soil is still NOT RIGHT, which is why I am having it tested in the fall by a REAL LAB, not the home test kits, to get ready for next year. I really do believe that it is ALL IN THE SOIL, and WEATHER after that. This has been a hard year for all the gardeners I know too, but they said that last year too, and the year before. So not sure what that means...

                Not giving up, but those who think they are going to break open a sealed #10 can of "survival seeds" when it gets bad are in for a HUGE RUDE awakening...
                -=> Rmplstlskn <=-

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                • #9
                  I will take a pic of my tomato plant and carrots and what is left of my cucumbers. My garden did really well imo, I got several pounds of green beans and 40+ cucu*mbers, lots of leaf lettuce, and dozens of green onions.

                  See some of my pics on the "Garden Pic" thread...I forgot to take some pics before i pulled the green beans and lettuce.

                  My growing media (I bought all my supplies from Hummert International):
                  Cotton Burr Compost
                  Parboiled Rice Hulls - replaces vermiculite/perlite, it is renewable and takes a while to breakdown.
                  Peat Moss
                  Note: Since I got my prices from the their online system, which is for companies not regular joe's, they gave them to me at the bulk price not the consumer price.


                  So far this first year has been a success imo. I did learn that I only need 1 cucumber plant...lol. Bush Peas are a waste of time for me.

                  We had 100+ days in July but haven't had any rain for a while...I watered every day in the evening.
                  "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the replies everyone.
                    Note to self for next year...

                    1. Get soil checked this fall
                    2. Heat may have been the problem and I should buy a rain guage to make sure I don't over water to compensate for the heat.
                    3. Buy a used rototiller and just use the clay that we have in the mid-south along with some mulch (or other organic material).
                    If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
                    ~James Madison

                    You will eat your Brocoli and like it, or I'll have to TAX you.
                    No more Big Gulps for you either!

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                    • #11
                      Here are pics from late June of my garden.

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                      Lettuce and Peas (only got about a 1/2 cup from 6-8 plants not worth it IMO).

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                      Green Onions, behind them Cucu*mbers and Baby Carrots

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                      Green Beans, cucu*mber hidden in the back, and Tomatoe

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                      Green Beans and in the back corner Cucu*mbers

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                      The PVC pipe supports a 4 x 16 Cattle panel, the plants grow up through the openings which support the plants when its windy. The upright PVC was used to tie my hose and water sprinkler so that when I watered it rained down on my garden. I'll take some pics of the green beans that I have frozen.

                      I have a second crop of green beans just coming up now.

                      I highly recommend the book "How to Grow More Vegetables" by John Jeavons (I will do a review of it). Lots of info, especially the companion planting stuff for mutual benefit of plants and to help control pests.
                      Last edited by 610Alpha; 08-19-2011, 12:41 PM. Reason: pic was showing up as link
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                      • #12
                        I am no expert but my raised beds took twice the water and produced half the yeild of my regular garden this year. Sevin is the only reason i have squash this year the squash bugs are out of control. Im buying a roto tiller and expanding the garden by 70 feet next year. My peppers have been up since may 1st and just now producing.

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                        • #13
                          #1. Soil test.

                          Gotta know what your starting with, or you just bowling in the dark.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by coyotewhisperer View Post
                            this year the squash bugs are out of control.
                            I went to a meet last night with some LMIs and they spoke athis. Chickens dont seem to like them neither they say. They suggested puttin plants like marigolds round them . I suggested storing a few hundred #s of sevin for PAW. Them naturalist didnt like that but I dont care, a fat boy wants to eat!!
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                            • #15
                              Matt- you'll find a lot of the enviro nazis cringe at stuff like that.

                              When I started making the gardening videos on youtube I mentioned that we had to spray some of our fruit trees in order to save them.

                              Boy it was no time at all before I was the anti christ in the environazis minds! I got the stupidest comments for the longest time.

                              Everything from "primordial beasts will take care of it" to "if you let chickens range in your orchards they would take care of the problem." Course my chickens WERE ranging in several of the orchards and the problem persisted for years.

                              A couple test trees WEREN'T sprayed- they died out.

                              I kept getting stupid comments including 1 idiot who told me that "if you EVER use ANY commercial fertilizer (think granular 10-10-10) that NO LIVING organism will EVER live in that soil again." He seriously said that...

                              Not long after, we are putting in a potato crop and an area that I used granular 10-10-10 in liberally for tomatoes the previous season is absolutely TEEMING with earthworms. So you know I had to put that on video ;) Know what? The retarded replies from the unexperienced but indoctrinated crowd slowed to a trickle. Imagine that...




                              We keep 10-10-10 in storage for the garden areas, orchards, etc. during the PAW. IME, commercial fertilizer of this type stores better long term than manure.

                              However we use manure liberally on growing areas- rabbit, chicken and goat. Rarely do we compost anything and I've never had a problem with even chicken litter "burning" any plants. We use all the soil improvement techniques a true "organic" gardener does and we rarely used commercial fertilizer unless it's something like corn that we can't grow in our soil type without some 34-0-0.

                              We rotate goats through two of our main growing areas that are fenced in. They eat the crop residue, keep the grapes on the fence pruned for us and put the fertilizer right where we need it.

                              We have diazanon in storage as well as dormant oil spray that I have less and less confidence in (use, not storage) as well as replacement parts for irrigation system, etc.

                              I expect the bug and pest situation to be WORSE not better in a bad situation. Losing an entire crop when lives may depend on it to your unwillingness to use a pesticide or a commercial fertilizer is foolish IMO. YMMV. All in all, we have a very hard soil type to work with and some serious climate restrictions also.
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