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Have you given this more than just a passing thought? Wife and kids?
Their will be that third "O" in the OODA loop that few talk about. It's the TRUE first "O" and it stands for "Oh CRAP!"
Been thinking a lot about how families that shoot together will be more used to gunfire, acting upon it, perhaps not freezing up when it happens, etc.
You see this common theme in AARs of attacks like this. "At first I thought someone had set up fireworks" or "I thought a car backfired" that sort of thing.
The first step is recognition. But even before that, learn to trust your "gut" about things. If something doesn't "feel" right, don't go their, leave early, etc. This sort of thing does have limits- no one likes big crowds, but that doesn't mean you are going to experience and ISIS attack just because your in a big crowd. Calm down, learn to move through without disturbing others or yourself.
At Systema seminars we have done a similar thing that remotely resembles a "mosh pit" from old skewl days. The fighting is just a little better looking at a Systema seminar. The goal though is not however to engage 50 other people in that gaggle, but to escape and escape while keeping calm. Not always as easy as it sounds with people beating you from every direction.
Don't fall down. Duh right? However again this may be harder than it sounds. Joe and Jill Sixpack will likely sprawl out on the floor waiting to get shot in the back of the head instead of running at the right time, wounded and maybe dead people may be on the ground, all sorts of things people dropped or left to escape- including children- may be in your way.
Anyone remember the tunnel drill I showed at a couple of FL and GA campouts? When you tried to play stiff arm tighten muscle guy remember you got bounced around even more as you went through? Yet the guy that stayed loose while keeping tension in his arm kept the blue gun mostly on target throughout the tunnel.
Here again another tie in to the exercises- body squats, the one legged unbalancing drills I use for teaching movement at night, the shooting while standing on someone's body. All of these have little "lessons" along these lines that will facilitate good smooth movement.
Don't know what I'm talking about? No problem- deep breathe and run, think Dodgeball- "dip, duck, dive" type of thing.
Know the time- is it time to run or is it past that and just time to hide? Hiding isn't a truly viable defense but may be all you have AT THE TIME.
On the fight- know some basic chokes, like we have taught at FL and GA campouts. Especially the one handed RNC, which is invaluable when trying to subdue someone with a pistol as one hand is free to control the shoulder. Don't choke the guy/girl with the suicide vest LOL. Hell you won't know in most likelihood. The downside to choking in this atmosphere- your somewhat immobile for 5-10 seconds. Hope you can choke good, better choke= quicker results.
Learn and know some basic weapon takeaway skills. Taught a class on this down in Lakeland a while back. It can get quite a bit more extensive. Suffice to say a long gun is essentially a large LEVER in their arms. If they have a long arm slung on to their bodies (think tactical sling or even a normal sling laying the right way), they are essentially "tethered" to the weapon now. That means a couple things- first off it's another choking point (Yes I LOVE to choke people!!!), and tied in to the weapon, you can redirect his body to an extent via any control on the weapon, i.e, pull him to the ground, off balance him, etc.
While again, we don't want to purposely go to the ground in this sort of situation, it may become necessary. If it's only one shooter, that ought not to be a huge problem and if it means subduing the shooter, by all means you have to do it. With all the variables- people, bodies, crap on the ground plus the intensity of the fight, the fact that more than likely the shooter will have a pack or otherwise some sort of gear on, the chance of getting off balanced and going to the ground greatly increases.
On the ground with a weapon involved it all revolves around control and disarming of the weapon. I worked with my son on this a while back in the yard. He focused a lot on punching me on the ground, while I focused on "shanking" him with the training knife. At the end of it he was glad he tagged me clean a couple times. I said how crazy it would be to visit him in the hospital with 38 puncture wounds in his abdomen and thorasic cavity and hear him brag- "I tagged the guy in the face a bunch of times Dad!" (If he was lucky to made it to the hospital). Lesson learned, it's NOT a conventional or MMA type fight once weapons are involved.
More to come, feel free to add.
Their will be that third "O" in the OODA loop that few talk about. It's the TRUE first "O" and it stands for "Oh CRAP!"
Been thinking a lot about how families that shoot together will be more used to gunfire, acting upon it, perhaps not freezing up when it happens, etc.
You see this common theme in AARs of attacks like this. "At first I thought someone had set up fireworks" or "I thought a car backfired" that sort of thing.
The first step is recognition. But even before that, learn to trust your "gut" about things. If something doesn't "feel" right, don't go their, leave early, etc. This sort of thing does have limits- no one likes big crowds, but that doesn't mean you are going to experience and ISIS attack just because your in a big crowd. Calm down, learn to move through without disturbing others or yourself.
At Systema seminars we have done a similar thing that remotely resembles a "mosh pit" from old skewl days. The fighting is just a little better looking at a Systema seminar. The goal though is not however to engage 50 other people in that gaggle, but to escape and escape while keeping calm. Not always as easy as it sounds with people beating you from every direction.
Don't fall down. Duh right? However again this may be harder than it sounds. Joe and Jill Sixpack will likely sprawl out on the floor waiting to get shot in the back of the head instead of running at the right time, wounded and maybe dead people may be on the ground, all sorts of things people dropped or left to escape- including children- may be in your way.
Anyone remember the tunnel drill I showed at a couple of FL and GA campouts? When you tried to play stiff arm tighten muscle guy remember you got bounced around even more as you went through? Yet the guy that stayed loose while keeping tension in his arm kept the blue gun mostly on target throughout the tunnel.
Here again another tie in to the exercises- body squats, the one legged unbalancing drills I use for teaching movement at night, the shooting while standing on someone's body. All of these have little "lessons" along these lines that will facilitate good smooth movement.
Don't know what I'm talking about? No problem- deep breathe and run, think Dodgeball- "dip, duck, dive" type of thing.
Know the time- is it time to run or is it past that and just time to hide? Hiding isn't a truly viable defense but may be all you have AT THE TIME.
On the fight- know some basic chokes, like we have taught at FL and GA campouts. Especially the one handed RNC, which is invaluable when trying to subdue someone with a pistol as one hand is free to control the shoulder. Don't choke the guy/girl with the suicide vest LOL. Hell you won't know in most likelihood. The downside to choking in this atmosphere- your somewhat immobile for 5-10 seconds. Hope you can choke good, better choke= quicker results.
Learn and know some basic weapon takeaway skills. Taught a class on this down in Lakeland a while back. It can get quite a bit more extensive. Suffice to say a long gun is essentially a large LEVER in their arms. If they have a long arm slung on to their bodies (think tactical sling or even a normal sling laying the right way), they are essentially "tethered" to the weapon now. That means a couple things- first off it's another choking point (Yes I LOVE to choke people!!!), and tied in to the weapon, you can redirect his body to an extent via any control on the weapon, i.e, pull him to the ground, off balance him, etc.
While again, we don't want to purposely go to the ground in this sort of situation, it may become necessary. If it's only one shooter, that ought not to be a huge problem and if it means subduing the shooter, by all means you have to do it. With all the variables- people, bodies, crap on the ground plus the intensity of the fight, the fact that more than likely the shooter will have a pack or otherwise some sort of gear on, the chance of getting off balanced and going to the ground greatly increases.
On the ground with a weapon involved it all revolves around control and disarming of the weapon. I worked with my son on this a while back in the yard. He focused a lot on punching me on the ground, while I focused on "shanking" him with the training knife. At the end of it he was glad he tagged me clean a couple times. I said how crazy it would be to visit him in the hospital with 38 puncture wounds in his abdomen and thorasic cavity and hear him brag- "I tagged the guy in the face a bunch of times Dad!" (If he was lucky to made it to the hospital). Lesson learned, it's NOT a conventional or MMA type fight once weapons are involved.
More to come, feel free to add.
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