Palmetto State Armory...

[tarheelsman71]

Been working a nice AR from them for a while now and it has run flawless. Total price on the upper and lower was 700, but I bought a different BCG and charging handle for it. It has been awesome. So I decided to put together another one. I bought a nice upper because I had picked up off of facebook a pretty good deal on a Spikes tactical lower. The upper is awesome. It came with $180 Midwest Industries rail system and it is lightweight. Really lightweight. When I paired it with my Spikes tactical lower the weight was 2 lbs less than my USATF or my RRA rifles and 1.5 lbs less than my other PSA rifle. I have a 12 year old and this rifle is for him. He helped me build it and put it together (the lower anyway). After assembly and putting a couple things on it, Aimpoint (Thank you RobertJ) and AFG, without a mag in place he was able to hold the rifle out it front of him for 35 seconds. He is a small 12 year old. That is how light it was. I know this crowd is a bunch of AK fanboys, but this thing was awesome.

He was so stoked when it was all complete, and now he is busting my chops on "when can we shoot it?"

Please excuse the mess in the house but I just wanted to share.

[Patriotic Sheepdog]

Very cool. Keep us updated.


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[Hawkeye]

I'm a big Palmetto State Armory fan. I've got 2 of their uppers and they run great.

[tarheelsman71]

Palmetto was out of the exact upper that I purchased, so instead of the 12 inch free floating rail they have a 15 inch. I showed the rifle to a friend's wife and the weight alone was enough for her to go online and buy one. She picked up the upper, lower and BCG w/CH for a little over $500. She is pretty happy with herself. So happy she bought one for her husband as well since she assumed her budget for an AR was $1000. He already had a bushmaster, but...1 is none and 2 is one. In this case, 3 is 2. :o I should get to the range sunday afternoon for a little shooting and will let you guys know how awesome she is.

[Rmplstlskn]

Yes, the revolution in metallurgy and CNC machining is giving us the strongest, yet lightest AR's ever... Especially in hand guard weight reduction and the leaving of the bull and heavy barrels to their intended design, which is not as an individual weapon. The increased reliability of SBR's (short barreled rifle) is also a wonderful thing for weight reduction and portability...

I have no concern about having the AR as my main weapon of choice...

Rmpl

[prc-104]

So lemme ask a question here....

The increased reliability of SBR's (short barreled rifle) is also a wonderful thing for weight reduction and portability...
Rmpl

I understand that a short barreled rifle is lighter and handier in tight quarters.

What I don't understand is why, for overall application, folks are into giving up range and foot-pounds of impact for convenience.

Sure, short is handier in some situations but doesn't that put it into the classification of a "special application weapon"?

Sure seems like if I was an opposing force that I would encourage my opponent to acquire and train with shorter range weapons.

Even tho small caliber longer barrel rifles are better than small caliber shorter range rifles, I would encourage my folk to go with heavier caliber main battle rifles,,,,, like .308.

I remember when we gave the Egyptians our wonderful M-16 and they quit using their FN-FAL's.
A couple companies of Egyptian troops ran across some Libyan bandits who immediately ran across the border back into Libya. The Egyptians pursued.
The Bandits stopped and started firing on the Egyptians with their FN-FAL's.
The Egyptians stopped and returned fire, but the Egyptians couldn't hit the bandits due to range.
The Bandits shot the hell out of the Egyptians and killed darn near all of them while the bandits took no apparent casualties.

Sorta like that old Clint Eastwood movie.
When a man with a pistol meets a man with a rifle, the man with the pistol is dead.
So when a man with a shorter range rifle meets a man with a longer range rifle, the man with the shorter range rifle is dead.

In closing, why are we not gearing toward .308, 30-06 and having effective ranges of 1000 to 1200 meters when engaging the enemy?

Just curious.

Gotta think, if I was the OPFOR, I'd be delighted that my opposition was falling in love with smaller lighter calibers with shorter barrels.

What say you?

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[Rmplstlskn]

I understand that a short barreled rifle is lighter and handier in tight quarters.

What I don't understand is why, for overall application, folks are into giving up range and foot-pounds of impact for convenience.

You answered it... Tight quarters. Would you rather have a SBR in 5.56mm or a Glock pistol in 9mm? Plus the intimidation factor to the ignorant masses...

My AO is heavily wooded eastern wilderness, hilly to mountainous. We do not have a big need for long range without knowing it beforehand, therefore bringing a big gun along as well. I do not foresee a ~LIKELY~ scenario that would have me taking out combatants at 300+ yards. It would have to be Mad Max WROL for that scenario, and besides it being a popular discussion, I think it not likely (at first).

I owned a DSA SA-58 FAL, loads of 20-rd mags and surplus .308, so I know the WEIGHT and BURDEN that system requires. In my AO and my possible scenarios, I would much rather have an 30-rd AR-15 with MORE AMMO, all in a LIGHTER load-bearing package. Plus, a red-dot or scope on an FAL is a rigged afterthought, where the AR lives and breathes ADAPTABILITY. If not an AR, my second option is an AK-74, also with more ammo and lighter accoutrement.

Unlike the Egyptians you mentioned, I have no plans in standing around in the open terrain... I do not foresee many scenarios where cover or concealment would not be immediately at hand.

We have to train and prepare for what we each believe to be our "clear and present dangers." This is why I chose what I did...

Rmpl

[tarheelsman71]

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/barreled-upper-assemblies/psa-16-223-wylde-1-8-fluted-ss-match-ssk15-with-bcg-and-charging-handle.html

I read the reviews on this one from palmetto and pulled the trigger. After shooting about 100 rounds thru the new one I bought and the aimpoint shooting 2 in groups at 100 yards, I can only imagine this one being even better. My thoughts are like some above. I live in NC, in the foothills. Lots of ground cover and woods surround my AO. I truly cannot see a time when I am shooting over 200 yards. But in my twisted little mind, I am imagining a scenario where the opfor is closing in on my AO and they all keep dropping like flies with shots to the forehead because of well placed shots. That would be a reason to bugout and leave my AO. Sub 1 inch groups at 100 yards are sub 2 inch groups at 200 and adding stress of a real situation make those groups exponentially greater, but taking the best tool to a handle the job makes the job easier. When I get this setup up in I will post a range report. Just dont see a situation where this doesnt end well.

[Rmplstlskn]

But in my twisted little mind, I am imagining a scenario where the opfor is closing in on my AO and they all keep dropping like flies with shots to the forehead because of well placed shots.

I do have a sub-MOA .308 bolt gun with 6-10x scope for such scenarios our twisted minds create and justify... Bwaahaaaa! Just not a primary...

Rmpl

[tarheelsman71]

PSA...Cont'd

So my range report is this....Rifle is awesome. Never shot better in my life. I have a Primary Arms 4-14X44 FFP Scope with Patented ACSS HUD DMR .308/.223 Reticle. At 100 yards I was shooting right at 1 inch groups. I would blame the trigger, but I am sure it was me. Per instructions I had read on a lot of different sites, I broke in my barrel slowly. 20 rounds thru a cooled barrel with a patch run down it after each round. Then I got down to it. I used some 62 gr Lake city and got my optic on paper at 25 yards then put the target back to 100 yards. Shooting 223 Black Hills 69gr. Sierra MatchKing Ammo, I started dialing in the optic. 6 rounds in and I was shooting a pretty tight groups. About 1 inch with the occasional flyer. I took it off the bench and shooting offhand I peppered the 3 in bull with a lot of hits to finish out the mag. At $1 per shot with the Match ammo, I then put 62 gr back in the rifle and zero'd it again and oddly enough, I really couldnt see a difference between the ammo's performance at 100 yards. I am sure that at 500 yards the heavier ammo would help me, but I wont ever get to shoot that far...ever. All in, the upper was as reviewed by the people that left reviews on the PSA website. Great looking, great shooting and glad I purchased it.

[Rmplstlskn]

Looks like a nice, simple, precision shooter! The AR with all its faults and weaknesses is still built from ground up for accuracy. And we see that every day. Now days, with quality parts, the reliability is up there too. As the new mantra is, and LAV and others pounds in to their students, keep it WET!

Lake City ammo is pretty accurate, as for mil-spec stuff. Other 5.56mm will open your shots. But still well within minute-of-man for far down range. Now stock up on good, match ammo... It costs a pretty penny, for sure.

Glad you are pleased with your poodle-shooter... LOL!

Rmpl

[tarheelsman71]

found a nice bullet drop chart for use with that Primary arms optic. And that reticle is the most ridiculous science experiment known to man, but from the video it makes perfect sense. More manufacturers should do this. It looks busy as crap, but it takes all the math out of shooting. I love my ACOG because of the BDC reticle, but the primary arms one went above and beyond.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0oLPFNWCLE

[tarheelsman71]

5 shot group, 100 yards from a sitting position. On a bench with a rest it would be ridiculous.