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  • I think the writing is on the wall...

    And we can expect the relatively plentiful supply of RUSSIAN manufactured 7.62x39 begin to dry up.

    China is out of the picture there also.

    Who will fill in the void after Russia?

    Last year we finished rotating some East German X39 from the 90's. No East Germany any more so I'm guessing not a lot of X39 being made there.

    The "it costs too much to shoot therefore I don't train" crybaby crowd may want to put on their big boy panties and get some now cause I'm guessing it probably won't get much cheaper and if anything will go up.

    We stock ammo in quantity for two reasons-

    First and most importantly is so we can TRAIN, so we can continue to keep the skills sharp we have -or think we have- AS WELL AS to expand our training opportunities and develop new skills.

    Secondly, we stock ammo for SHTF. Closely tied to the first reason, if we have not developed true SKILL AT ARMS (see above), it won't matter much how much ammo you have tucked away in closets, ammo cans, etc. Cause someone with more training who's better, faster and/or more aggressive will own it after they kill you.

    Therefore if anything, we need about a 60/40 ratio of the above, utilizing most of our ammo for training and developing SKILL AT ARMS, while retaining enough for bad times. While always seeking to buy at good prices to recover training losses.

    Or you can shoot 100 rounds once a year from a bench, sitting on your arse munching donuts, never taxing yourself, all the while playing the fantasy in your mind that you are ready and that all the cool guy gear and ammo will help you overcome a lack of training.....

    Gonna be a lot of nice new rifles and plenty of ammo changing hands in the PAW.

    It's like on Full Metal Jacket when the Marine is joking with the ARVN soldier and offers to sell him ARVN rifles- "they've never been shot and only dropped once!"

    Only with lazy preppers it will be "they weren't shot enough and only dropped once."
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  • #2
    couldn't agree more... training takes time and money its simply much more fun to spend my days posting about conspiracies and carrying on about how far Amerika has fallen and how the communists are now in charge. Besides why should I buy ammo now??? Im SURE in another year or so ammo prices will come down to more "realistic" levels. If I buy now then I won't be able to complain about how unfair it is that people are profiting from selling ammo when another shortage comes and I can't find ammo to buy at pre panic pricing. Besides,, I don't have enough cash for ammo because I spent it all on 3 more AR's during the last panic..

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    • #3
      Yes, if one isn't buying com-bloc ammo NOW until it hurts and forces cuts elsewhere, then they will find themselves high and dry one day soon...
      -=> Rmplstlskn <=-

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      • #4
        They've had a crush on 74' ammo for a while....they tried it on 39 a while back due to how popular """AK "" style pistols were becoming. I'm not saying don't buy or train . I'd love yo be sitting on 30k of 39.. but don't see it happening.
        The thought of something more "domestic " has git me thinking for the future...but honestly I do not wish to get into an Tupperware jam -o - matic.

        Tough choices for sure on the future.....when it comes to firearms....but I don't see any ammo being safe if it gets that bad....especially cheap surplus or imported ammo /firearms.
        Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by protus View Post
          The thought of something more "domestic " has git me thinking for the future...but honestly I do not wish to get into an Tupperware jam -o - matic.
          Us tupperware shooters shooting "domestic" also rely on RUSSIAN ammo for mundane training and plinking needs, as the bulk of ammo for sale now is more expensive brass case ammo... I don't dig into the brass M193 or M855 unless I have to, which doesn't happen as of yet. Good, REAL, M193 (XM193x is not real M193), is very rare to bump into and costs as well... My MK262 77g only gets touched once a year or so to verify zero, and then only 5 rounds, reserved for dark days...

          Plus, if our "jam-o-matics" where AK-like, then what would we fill half a days class time with if we don't drill for FTE/FTF and other failures? Movement drills? Unusual fighting positions? Nah... We stand there fumbling with our levers, pressing buttons, dropping mags and wiggling our receivers... :-)

          Rmpl
          Last edited by Rmplstlskn; 05-02-2014, 11:42 AM.
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          • #6
            True....it'd turn a full day class to only three hours if we all ran aks.but...we gotta reload to...which according to you guys takes longer...so in the end I guess it breaks even :p LOL

            Dunno...just a basic mid length...with buis ...10-15 mags and 1-3 k sitting there looks tempting....but at that cost I could just stack deep.what I already run....which would keep me from going tier 1 operator lmao.
            Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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            • #7
              Before the LAST ammo crisis Romanian 7.62X39 was plentiful around NE Fla.
              The brand name was Hotshot. A 20 round box was $4.99.
              "There is nothing so exhilarating as to be shot at without result." Winston Churchill
              Member: Veterans of Foreign Wars, Vietnam Veterans of America, American Legion, AMVETS, Society of the Fifth Infantry Division

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              • #8
                Yeah seeing some red army? Stuff at places like j and g.
                220++ seems rate for 1k. The red army stuff is 1080...rnds . they have some sealed tuna cans if x39 as well. My weak point is sidearm and 22. Got plenty by """normal ""standard but not to last through a serious ""drought "" if things get hemmed up.
                Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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                • #9
                  7.62x39 is up $20 a case locally that's 10% from a few weeks ago. Yeah I'm still buying adding another 1k tomorrow

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                  • #10
                    Yeah red army standard is either Romanian or Ukrainian depending on which loading you are buying. I laid in another 500 x39 last week.
                    "You are the Vice Regent of the Jews" -QRPRAT77

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                    • #11
                      I saw some brass cased x39 at my LGS recently, can't remember the brand but it did catch my eye- not accustomed to seeing domestically made 7.62x39. I'm stocked up on that caliber so I didn't rush over and dig into it.

                      I'll look next time I'm over there and get some more info- post and share it. Might even grab a box and try it out- review kind of thing.
                      Brokedownbiker

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                      • #12
                        Not only factory ammo - but if one is into reloading - it wouldn't hurt to have some components for reloading 7.62x39 (or 9x18 if into makarovs). Heck I even have the dies for reloading 5.45x39 and don't even own a firearm in that caliber (got them for a good price through a group buy back in 2010). But then it seems that some people complain about the price of components as much as they do about the cost of factory ammo. :)

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                        • #13
                          Just to throw this out there, I read an article today about the last lead smelter in the U.S. being closed. The reason was that the EPA had enacted some serious new restrictions that would cost over 100 million to meet. Supposedly, the ore will be shipped to China, who will then smelt it and ship it back. Anyone want to take a minute and explain what that's going to do to the availability of ammo, not to mention the price of batteries? I recently had to buy a battery for my car, and it was $129. That was a small battery. The article was making the argument that this was a back-door attack on ammo. Is it? I dunno. I haven't verified the closure of the last smelter either, but it does bear thinking about.

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                          • #14
                            hmm. after I get stocked on .22 what kind of gun should I go for next? saving up!

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                            • #15
                              I solved the issue of depending on foreign made weapons and ammo years ago, by abandoning the commie stuff, and going with the AR platform. :cool:

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