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  • Lesson Learned - Check your magazines

    Yesterday as I was turning in my folks at work, one of them cleared his M-9 and handed over the magazine at the clearing barrel. I took it as usual, but was surprised to hear something hit the mat on the floor. Looking down I see a round sitting on the mat and to my surprise, another round falls down as well. Rather strange as the rounds are falling out of the mag and the spring is locked down in the body.

    So we reload the ammo into another spare magazine and I take the bad one apart. Dump about ten pounds of built up dust out (okay, not that much, but it was fairly dirty), find the floorplate and retainer is starting to rust along with the spring. Clean all, oil, lightly lubricate the spring and floor plate follower and reassemble. Cleaning seemed to do the trick as the follower is working properly and there is spring tension now. It goes into the spare magazine bin on the bottom. Out of curiosity, I check others in the armory and find similiar dirty and rusty conditions. Bring this to the attention of those that need to know and request they start swapping mags out on the daily issue pistols and rifles and cleaning the old ones.

    So some lessons learned/remembered:

    Inspect your magazines. Is there any built up rust on the floor plate or on the floor plate follower? Is there rust on the spring? Are there any dents/dings which might be a concern for function and feeding? Are the feed lips dented preventing proper loading? Does the magazine fit the weapon properly? (especially AR15 mags that start to bulge from being loaded too long) Does the mag catch work as advertised? Take it apart to inspect the interior. While mags are fairly enclosed devices, dust will still seep in and jam up the internal workings. This is even more evident in dry/dusty conditions like the southwest (or Middle East/Central Asia for those members heading downrange) or with concealed carry pieces where lint can and will find its way inside. Even the vaunted P-Mags have metal springs which can and will rust over time if not inspected and cleaned.

    Cycle your magazines. Either by firing or by loading to capacity and then unloading to see if there are any stoppages. Built up dirt and dust on the interior will cause the follower to jam up, keeping that next round from feeding. Typically immediate action drills will solve this problem, but in a gun fight, miliseconds count and the time you have to take to tap, rack and fire just gave your adversary an advantage.

    Mags need love too. Just as you would lovingly clean your firearms, one should clean the magazines as well. Maybe they won't need it as often as the firearm, but a little TLC in the long run will keep magazines running properly. A very light coat of oil on the springs and floor plate follower won't hurt function and prevent rust build up in humid environments.

    Magazines should only be loaded for a certain amount of time before being swapped out, inspected, cleaned and tossed in the "reserve" pile to relax the springs. While there is a certain amount of debate on the matter as to the should/should not release the tension on the springs, IMHO it's better to be cautious and swap mags rather than take the chance of them failing when you need them the most. "I've had magazines loaded for thirty years and never had a problem!" some might say. But when it comes to the safety of my family or me, I would much prefer knowing for certain the magazines are in proper working order rather than load them one time and hope they work like they should.

    Some might debate this point, but isn't this why we prep? Because we are just a little paranoid about something not working like it should when we need it the most? You stockpile gasoline because the stations will run out, food because supermarkets will be swamped, water because lines will become tainted, etc because we believe some of these things are not going to be available when we need them the most. But you also rotate your food, water and fuel because it has a shelf life. Springs have a shelf life as well. Some more than others depending on the manufacturer, but eventually they are compressed long enough for the metal to start to fatigue and be less efficient. So the fifteen minutes of paranoia of swapping magazines to guarantee they work is time well spent in my opinion. YMMV on this point, but I'm paranoid myself.

    Your magazines are just as important as the firearm itself. Without a magazine in proper working order, your pistol (or rifle, carbine, SMG, whatever) becomes a single shot device and transforms rapidly into a short range metal, wood and plastic club. And when it comes down to having a weapon for personal protection, it's better to ensure proper working order on ALL the parts rather than just the part that goes bang.
    Last edited by Grand58742; 09-08-2010, 05:53 AM. Reason: removed forum specific reference
    Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.

  • #2
    I agree with you 100%, check your mags!!!! I seem to confuse some people when I talk about cleaning and rotating magazines. Some will say that weak magazine springs are a myth and some just don't have an opinion. Better safe than sorry. Spend a little extra time clean and rotate your magazines. That's just my opinion though, I'm sure like everything else there are those on the other side of the fence.

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    • #3
      Last summer my dad gave me a 15-round .30 carbine magazine he'd had for probably 45 years. How many, if any, of those years it had sat loaded I don't know, but the first time I loaded it up and ran it through the gun it failed to push all the rounds up. The spring was shot. I replaced it and it works fine now.

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      • #4
        Was it an older Checkmate brand or Beretta?

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        • #5
          It's never a bad idea to down load a round or two. I.e, the magazine holds 30, load it to 28 or 29.

          I've found that using the Bulgarian Waffle 30 rd. magazines in our Arsenals, fully loaded with 30 rounds, a LOT of the time the bolt won't retract all the way when you first go to load the rifle. Only on the Bulgarian waffles (the Circle 10's), only full loaded, and only with our Arsenals. A full Bulgarian Circle 10 thirty in our Polytech's work fine. A full 30 in a metal mag works fine in the Arsenals, but for whatever reason a full 30 Circle 10 Bulgarian waffle mag doesn't work in (two) our Arsenals.

          Definitely need to run your mags every so often to check them.

          A LOT of folks- me included- bought a bunch of the KCI Glock 9mm mags. The first couple batches in the country seemed o.k. Bought about 50 more last year. Almost every single one of them jammed like crazy. Had I just left them in the pretty little wrappers and "counted" on them when the time came, I would be SOL.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rascal View Post
            Was it an older Checkmate brand or Beretta?
            Beretta I believe. That was some months ago and I don't recall as we had both types in stock.
            Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.

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            • #7
              There seems to be three schools of thought on mags...keep 'em loaded, keep 'em empty, and swap them out on a schedule.

              I have heard sound arguments for and against all 3...but the bottom line is keep testing your equipment. Maintain your gear regularly. Then do it again :)
              This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave. ~Elmer Davis

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              • #8
                I have use magazines (used all the time in classes/range/CCW/etc.) I rotate them often. Then I have stored magazines... Spares I have put up for a rainy day, They are function tested for reliability, then stored properly. Last but not least the New in wrap magazines. I store these for trade, another possible ban, and to give out as presents to people I like at birthday/chrismas/ etc.

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                • #9
                  Had a buddy in the Green Zone in Iraq. (Rotated home.) He tried to tell his troops to rotate mags. (Reserve unit. He is Armorer. Unit is Engineer.) When they got back, a lot of the mags were shot due to being loaded for the entire time there. He used them for the next range day, and was asked why the mags wouldn't feed/double jam. He told them that's what happens when you don't rotate the mags. Some understood, others had deer/headlight look. He did bring other mags for after, to continue the range. BTW, he ordered new springs for the mags and swapped them out.

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                  • #10
                    I use Wilson 47D for ALL my 1911 needs they are rotated every 30 days, (2 conceled handgun permits at home) I have a total of 32 of them. There are 8 with each person all the time, I checked my log and found out that the orginal 10 mags are 10 years old. I keep a factory overhaul kit for each mag, put up for the rainy day and there are kits in each BOB. point is that proper rotation and cleaning has kept 10 of these units working in spec for 10 years!

                    Any other brands that happen to make it to the house go in the range bag for use under controled conditions, as a bonus I use the retired springs and followers from the carry mags in my range mags and have seen an inprovement in their operation,
                    Stand up NOW as you will find it much harder to do once you are in chains, and if you die on your feet, you can take comfort in the fact that you traded the gift of life for the privilege of FREEDOM!

                    Shooter

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                    • #11
                      Just one note to add regarding mag springs (springs in general). What wears them out is cycling. They can stay under pressure indefinitely without issue, as long as they are still within their working range. Leaving them loaded (ie- compressed) does not affect spring life. This isnt opinion, its an engineering fact. Just wanted to toss that out there.

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                      • #12
                        The lesson is, in your preps it is a good idea to keep extra springs/parts to have in the PAW.
                        When an emergency is upon you the time for preparation has past.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hawkeye View Post
                          Just one note to add regarding mag springs (springs in general). What wears them out is cycling. They can stay under pressure indefinitely without issue, as long as they are still within their working range. Leaving them loaded (ie- compressed) does not affect spring life. This isnt opinion, its an engineering fact. Just wanted to toss that out there.
                          Yes, exactly, metal fatigue is dependant on motion! My dad found a pistol that my great uncle had given my other great uncle after WW2 it had a full magazine from during the war, my dad was able to shoot and reload the magazine, no worries!
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