where to you hide them? (preposition)

[rockriver]

what if.. let's just say...
you were at your bug out location (or you may use your homestead)
and you wanted to preposition some weapons at various locations.
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example 1.. in Patriots. rawles had weapons prepositioned in the lpop.. is the only place i remember.
example 2.. i was in a farmers hay barn, and in the upper story saw some loaded mags near a window. when i pointed them out to the farmer, (thinking he'd accidentally left them there) he let me know he had some weapons and ammo prepostioned in the hay loft of the barn, along with some water. i didn't ask any more questions.
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this is a hard question to ask because to tell the truth of your situation, you'd have to violate some security issues...

so i'll lay out the settings and your weapons supply if you decide to make a recommendation.
if you see a need for added weapons just add to the list, just show us a shopping list you'd work towards. i know none of us will provide our own list. me. i've got 2 bb guns and a sling shot, but i'm going to work on that when the prices come down
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weapon list.
shotguns 2 20 ga and 2 12 ga
hand guns 2 45
2 9 mm
2 .22 cal
2 7.62 x 25
rifle 2 bolt 30-06
2 .22 semi
2 ak or 2 ar (your choice!!) (i'd suggest selling the ak and buying 1 good ar!!)

location options.
1. apartment/condo. you are the maintenance mgr. and have access to every bldg on the property. you live on-site and have 3 br apt. downstairs at the end of the building.

2. homestead. 3 br brick home basic brick home. with 3 other structures.
2a. 10 x 12 frame store room used for canned goods. lawnmowers, gardening tools. 70 feet from main house. at end of driveway which is on left (facing structures) and 40 ft angled behind main house.
2b. well house. frame 8 x 8 includes a small work bench where you keep a few tools and outdoor gear in addition to your well pump and tank.
2c. 30 x 70 metal barn (butler building style) 100 yards from main house to the right hand side and 100 ft behind the house. 20 x30 of this is open for tractor/mower/boat storage. 50 x 30 is divided between enclosed store rooms.
you have 20 acres of pasture and mixed woods but good visibility around house. you work in town doing public work. your neighbors are a mix of farmers and other folks with similar layouts.

3. 3 br brick home in a subdivision. highest lot in neighborhood. everyone has 1/2 acre. you are in back of subdivision. behind the house is undeveloped overgrown woodlot. you have 3 separate buildings.
3a 10x12 metal storage shed from kmart. (cheap light metal) full of lawnmowers, rototillers, garden tools.
3b 24 x 24 brick 2 car garage that matches the house separated by a covered walkway about 40' from the house.
3c 2 story frame playhouse. tree house in the back yard. on the back fence. downstairs is girly house for your girls. upstairs is 1/2 plywood 4' high with opening 360 degrees. strong 4x6 framing. 2x4 studs.

ok, folks,
the main question is will you preposition any weapons? if so, where and how.
if you want to do some quick "remodeling" anywhere it's ok. describe it.
if you have folks coming to join you, they can bring whatever weapons you'd like to list, (just pretending ya know)
and if you can't stand it, and want to describe in detail your retreat fortress, go for it!!
but once you do so, i invite you to still tell us how you'd preposition your arms, if you will.

rr
(and if this post should be in homesteading or discussion, please move it!! or let me know and i will. )

[Freebirde]

Three questions have to be answered, where are you traveling from, where are you traveling to, and for what reason are you traveling? If you are at home and being overrun by MZBs, then you don't want to stop 40 ft from your back door to dig up weapons. Do mock bug-outs and look along your routes for good spots to preposition weapons. If you are in town/city and trying to get home, rent a small storage locker, from an accessible storage facility, to preposition weapons and supplies. If you are hiding them from JBTs, you will want them off your property and not in an obvious location. The prepossion spots you choose will need to be accessible, dry (or a lot of effort put into protecting your weapons), obsure, and pest free. Be sure and add supplies such as food, water procurement, shelter, fire, and clothing.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

this is a hard question to ask because to tell the truth of your situation, you'd have to violate some security issues...
That wont be an issue because I wont let it be


location options.
1. apartment/condo. you are the maintenance mgr. and have access to every bldg on the property. you live on-site and have 3 br apt. downstairs at the end of the building.
The issue with apts is that everyone who works there has access to your place and can go in for repairs like plumbing etc without notice. So vents and under cabinets are a no go so stay with taped under the dresser, in the back part of the recliner where the fabric is just velcro attached maybe between bottom pile of towels in linen closet

2. homestead. 3 br brick home basic brick home. with 3 other structures.
2a. 10 x 12 frame store room used for canned goods. lawnmowers, gardening tools. 70 feet from main house. at end of driveway which is on left (facing structures) and 40 ft angled behind main house.
One should be kept here because you might be there when something bad happens and it might still be standing after a fire or something that destroys the main structure attached with plumbers strap to the bottom of shelves, between walls like under the space at a breaker box (real or not)
2b. well house. frame 8 x 8 includes a small work bench where you keep a few tools and outdoor gear in addition to your well pump and tank.
Maybe, well houses are not high priority during robberies but the water could be a draw during long term bad stuff again under the shelf on the bench and maybe buried in a tube placed vertical for easy digging with a post hole digger but easy to find because of the confined space
2c. 30 x 70 metal barn (butler building style) 100 yards from main house to the right hand side and 100 ft behind the house. 20 x30 of this is open for tractor/mower/boat storage. 50 x 30 is divided between enclosed store rooms.
you have 20 acres of pasture and mixed woods but good visibility around house. you work in town doing public work. your neighbors are a mix of farmers and other folks with similar layouts.
The space between the walls would be a good place to look at here and public work huh, alot of good places to leave a cheap rifle in public work areas

3. 3 br brick home in a subdivision. highest lot in neighborhood. everyone has 1/2 acre. you are in back of subdivision. behind the house is undeveloped overgrown woodlot. you have 3 separate buildings.
woodlot in a tube
3a 10x12 metal storage shed from kmart. (cheap light metal) full of lawnmowers, rototillers, garden tools.
Never because I see wayyy to many of these just blow away or get knocked down
3b 24 x 24 brick 2 car garage that matches the house separated by a covered walkway about 40' from the house.
This would be a target picked first by burglars avoiding confrontation with homeowners
3c 2 story frame playhouse. tree house in the back yard. on the back fence. downstairs is girly house for your girls. upstairs is 1/2 plywood 4' high with opening 360 degrees. strong 4x6 framing. 2x4 studs.
mm kids have a way of finding everything so might be too risky but a floor deadspace between studs in the playhouse area would be my choice

dunno if these are the answers you are driving at or not

[rockriver]

matt,
yessir!
you picked up on the questions/answers.

free, good points. and they relate to the overall question.

[protus]

ocation options.
1. apartment/condo. you are the maintenance mgr. and have access to every bldg on the property. you live on-site and have 3 br apt. downstairs at the end of the building.

dang man who told you about my place:p
This is how i was set up,,in the exact way you describe.
The corner window down stairs had a 180-200+deg field of view 100 -150 yards to the main gate of the rental community- only way in or out on that side. I kept these things in that room-
water,mre's,kpot/armor,ammo,mags,set of fighting gear,BOB and a case of sand bags and a shovel. you can guess what those were for.
had one safe room and a secondary exit. Any thrid floor units that were vacant i knew where they were and what roads/exits they over looked. and knew which rooms a person needed to head to to over look those areas as an LPOP.
weapons for the main unit were ak's,,shotty in the safe room and bolt guns for the long shots (one unit commanded near 54-500 yards)_

2. homestead. 3 br brick home basic brick home. with 3 other structures.
2a. 10 x 12 frame store room used for canned goods. lawnmowers, gardening tools. 70 feet from main house. at end of driveway which is on left (facing structures) and 40 ft angled behind main house.
2b. well house. frame 8 x 8 includes a small work bench where you keep a few tools and outdoor gear in addition to your well pump and tank.
2c. 30 x 70 metal barn (butler building style) 100 yards from main house to the right hand side and 100 ft behind the house. 20 x30 of this is open for tractor/mower/boat storage. 50 x 30 is divided between enclosed store rooms.
you have 20 acres of pasture and mixed woods but good visibility around house. you work in town doing public work. your neighbors are a mix of farmers and other folks with similar layouts.

basic load outs in totes in each shed, and 1-2 cache fall backs in your woods.

3. 3 br brick home in a subdivision. highest lot in neighborhood. everyone has 1/2 acre. you are in back of subdivision. behind the house is undeveloped overgrown woodlot. you have 3 separate buildings.
3a 10x12 metal storage shed from kmart. (cheap light metal) full of lawnmowers, rototillers, garden tools.
3b 24 x 24 brick 2 car garage that matches the house separated by a covered walkway about 40' from the house.
3c 2 story frame playhouse. tree house in the back yard. on the back fence. downstairs is girly house for your girls. upstairs is 1/2 plywood 4' high with opening 360 degrees. strong 4x6 framing. 2x4 studs.


same as above totes in each. tree house gets a go bag set aside for it that doesnt get put out there till needed (keep kids off it),est in totes in each building.
how big is the wood lot??? cache a bag,etc out there.

kinda my ideas........

[protus]

The issue with apts is that everyone who works there has access to your place and can go in for repairs like plumbing etc without notice.

sorry this is incorrect.
24 hours written notice must be given before anyone can enter into a rental unit .
The renter calling in a service request is written consent to enter. The only way that a worker can legally enter a rental unit without consent/notice is for emergency purposes aka a flood,fire, etc any time that damage can be done. This means if your neighbor 3 floors up floods their place expect a service tech to enter your unit to ensure/inspect that their ( the owners ) property is not being damaged by the flood.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

sorry this is incorrect.
24 hours written notice must be given before anyone can enter into a rental unit .
The renter calling in a service request is written consent to enter. The only way that a worker can legally enter a rental unit without consent/notice is for emergency purposes aka a flood,fire, etc any time that damage can be done. This means if your neighbor 3 floors up floods their place expect a service tech to enter your unit to ensure/inspect that their ( the owners ) property is not being damaged by the flood.

24 hrs under NORMAL conditions yes but that made my point because there are circumstances they can just enter. In SHTF normal might be suspicions that you are a prepper and have supplies and are at work and they have the keys.
In the last case of my involvement 2 plumbers, the manager and the on duty apt worker and the apt maintenance guy for a total of 5 people were standing in the one bedroom apt. They were following all pipes being the kitchen and the bathroom looking under the counters and in cabinets and at the nearby ac vent tracing water. The "do nothing" crowd was in the living room looking at everything "in plain view" which only left the slightly partitioned bedroom unobserved. The maintenance guy was probing around the carpet, baseboard areas etc looking for pooled water that would cause mold so small wall hides under baseboards, in the wall near electric outlets etc might have been exposed.
Another older case in point is an apt that had fire places. The fireplace chimney caught fire so 4 units had to be "inspected" because the fireplaces were back to back. There was a slew of fireman, apt workers, managers and maintenance men probing around all 4 units to include the attic. The origin of the fire apt looked like a clown car with all the bodies that poured out.
Just some things to think about when hiding because it's not like a rental house because the property owners and workers are right there and IF something happens there is gonna be a circus of people in your house probing around, not for that purpose, well you hope.

[protus]

joys of renting vs owning.
land lord tenant laws dictate how they can enter.
i'm not being argumentative at all just most folks have this misconception that techs can come and go as they please,when under normal circumstances they cant unless notice is given or in the case of my example and yours.
Now normally it doesnt take 30 people. but each company is different.Especially when contractors are involved. example. pest control services. some places weve let them go in alone. 1 being they are lic/bonded etc etc and we control what units they go to etc by notice or resident requests . other times management has had an onsite tech or the supervisor tag along to just escort the contractor.

i rented for a long time, and i work in that industry , there's a right/legal way to do things and theres the other element that is ignorant to their states laws and/or their companies policies and just do what they want......


sorry for the derail........RR.

[rockriver]

the why..
you are working at your homestead changing oil in a machine. (100 yards from the house) and you see a pack of feral dogs creeping up on your milk cow. one or two appear to be the leaders of the pack. if you can get your hands on that ak quickly, you can stop a disaster.

or

your young daughter and some friends are playing in the woods behind your sibdivision. a huge raccoon isn't running from them.. you've heard rabies are becoming a problem. you are out trimming shrubs near the rear fence. you've got time to stop the raccoon, if the rifle is in the playhouse.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

the why..
you are working at your homestead changing oil in a machine. (100 yards from the house) and you see a pack of feral dogs creeping up on your milk cow. one or two appear to be the leaders of the pack. if you can get your hands on that ak quickly, you can stop a disaster.

or

your young daughter and some friends are playing in the woods behind your sibdivision. a huge raccoon isn't running from them.. you've heard rabies are becoming a problem. you are out trimming shrubs near the rear fence. you've got time to stop the raccoon, if the rifle is in the playhouse.

Both can be easily answered with a G26 on the hip IMO but these hides I mentioned are not all quickly accessed.

[Grand58742]

location options.
1. apartment/condo. you are the maintenance mgr. and have access to every bldg on the property. you live on-site and have 3 br apt. downstairs at the end of the building.

Downstairs is typically bad since the lower level apartments tend to get broken into easier since windows are easier to get at.

So for this one, nothing in plain sight. Some suggestions would be:

Ammo and supplies in boxes marked as "books" "Christmas Decorations" or "linens." Anything that your typical street thief would pass over on first glance. You could even go as far as to toss a layer of books on top. Without a gun safe, these boxes inside a locked closet would be a place I'd think would maybe be okay.

Based on your listing of weapons you want to get when the prices go down (wondering about that 7.62 Tokarev...ammo is drying up for the most part) I'd have a pistol in the bedroom along with the AR along with one of your other pistols strategically placed in the house hidden, but easy to get at.

Trying to think back to my apartment days of where I hid stuff at lol. For certain, I'd not be putting things I didn't have direct control over and/or at least could visually inspect every day. So no additional buildings on the premises. Looks suspicious if you go to one particular shed each and every day and never come back with something. Of if you do, someone will see you moving away with a rifle case or whatever. So without it being in immediate control, nothing outside my residence.

For other hidden areas, a lot of apartments and condos have ceiling access somewhere that's relatively easy to get at. This could be a potential hiding site. Pistol behind the water heater. AR pre-positioned over the top of a doorway to a closet (on the inside using those large bicycle hooks) out of sight, but ready for use. Behind chest of drawers or other furniture (hung or taped in place)...not getting anything else. But the biggest thing in apartment living is to have a safe (and making sure the floor loading is okay to support that weight) and store the majority in there.

2. homestead. 3 br brick home basic brick home. with 3 other structures.
2a. 10 x 12 frame store room used for canned goods. lawnmowers, gardening tools. 70 feet from main house. at end of driveway which is on left (facing structures) and 40 ft angled behind main house.
2b. well house. frame 8 x 8 includes a small work bench where you keep a few tools and outdoor gear in addition to your well pump and tank.
2c. 30 x 70 metal barn (butler building style) 100 yards from main house to the right hand side and 100 ft behind the house. 20 x30 of this is open for tractor/mower/boat storage. 50 x 30 is divided between enclosed store rooms.
you have 20 acres of pasture and mixed woods but good visibility around house. you work in town doing public work. your neighbors are a mix of farmers and other folks with similar layouts.

Just too many areas to list for this one. One of the biggest things though, especially with a cache away from the residence, is remembering exactly where you put it. Use a large feature you know you're not going to forget lol. Specific distances away on cardinal points that won't change (30 feet magnetic west from the oak tree with a split in the trunk for example) and make sure it's relatively easy to get at.

3. 3 br brick home in a subdivision. highest lot in neighborhood. everyone has 1/2 acre. you are in back of subdivision. behind the house is undeveloped overgrown woodlot. you have 3 separate buildings.
3a 10x12 metal storage shed from kmart. (cheap light metal) full of lawnmowers, rototillers, garden tools.
3b 24 x 24 brick 2 car garage that matches the house separated by a covered walkway about 40' from the house.
3c 2 story frame playhouse. tree house in the back yard. on the back fence. downstairs is girly house for your girls. upstairs is 1/2 plywood 4' high with opening 360 degrees. strong 4x6 framing. 2x4 studs.

I'm like Matt, that storage shed is a complete no go. Not only are they just not that sturdy, they just don't provide security I'm comfortable with. If it can be gotten into by use of a set of aviation snips, it's probably a no go for me. Same for the playhouse. Kids can and will find what you don't want them to. Not sure the garage is a safe place, but reference the ceiling access from above. Most folks will pass it over, but storing some things inside the access hole could maybe...maybe be okay. Otherwise, not under your direct control, you have no security on it.

Probably something I'd need to take some time to think at more.

[WiseOwl]

Hide your pistols in a cereal box
Hide your rifles in bat bags or golf bags
Hide your ammo in the couch or in the cupboard.
Hide your silver/gold in shirt pockets
Hide your mullets under a trucker cap

[justanothergunnut]

stand up on your counter in your kitchen and look in the corner where two cabinets meet.. There is almost always a gap between where the two but up to each other.. More than enough room to hide a pistol.. drive a small nail into the top of the cabinet adjacent to the gap. Make a string with a loop at each end one large and one small. hook the large loop around the grip of the pistol and the small loop around the head of the nail.. Now lower the pistol into the gap between the cabinets.. Often the pantry next to the refrigerator does not go all the way back to the wall and has a gap there as well.. this works great for rifles/shotguns