Anyone tried the Kriss super v

[FeloDeSe]

I was wondering if anyone has or has tried the Kriss super v .45 from what I have seen on super weapons tv show and on YouTube this gun looks amazing it uses a standard .45 acp round and a glock 21 mag so if you already own a glock the mags are interchangeable. And from the design there is almost no kick. Any more info on this would be helpful I think I am going to get one in the neer future.

[brokedownbiker]

One of the guys ay my local range broughht one out a couple of weeks ago; I didn't get to shoot it but I got to fondle it and look it over- a strange puppy there. He said it shot fine, can't say much more than that.

[556x45]

not impressed with it....they list the ammo it will shoot and I don't like ammo sensitive guns.

[Grand58742]

Almost looks like a solution looking for a problem. While the .45 ACP is a complete BAMF pistol cartridge, ballistically it comes up short when going up against rifle cartridges in a carbine package. Compare:

.45 ACP - 414 ft/lbs for 230 grain +P Federal Hydra-Shok JHP
5.56x45mm - 1303 ft/lbs 62 grain SS109 (green tip) FMJBT
7.62x39mm - 1607 ft/lbs 123 grain FMJ

And factor in decreased range of the .45 ACP versus the 5.56/7.62, the price of high cap spare mags ($62 a pop for the decent ones and not the KCI), the "new" recoil system that actually sends the recoil down instead of back (the recoil has to go somewhere), proprietary parts and unique operating system that honestly hasn't proved itself yet. And a lot of reviews have the thing not working as great as the TV shows and gun rags will lead you to believe. The magazines and TV shows tend wow you with all sorts of awesome pictures and "I wish I didn't have to send it back, it's utterly awesome and the best thing since the invention of the wheel!" however, fail to mention they were "sponsored in part by TDI Industries" or whatever brand name happens to be reviewed.

A fun carbine to shoot? Probably so. A serious use weapon that I would trust my life or the lives of those I cared about to? Not a chance until it gets vetted in the real world after a while. And especially not at $1700 a pop. From a preparedness standpoint, it's far better to get a system that's known for reliability instead of one that just might not last or will malfunction when you really need it the most.

Honestly? Take the $1700 it would cost to buy one, buy an AR instead, drop in a $25 H2 buffer to reduce recoil, spend the rest on ammo, an optic, Pmags and take the wife out to a nice dinner to sooth the "you bought another gun?!?!" feelings. And whatever is left over buy more ammo.

Or, as others will advise, buy an AK. Just my $0.02 worth for thought.

[Spock]

$1700. wow. for a .45 acp carbine. definatley a gun for the AMEX gun hipster crowd. heck I have just under $900 in my arsenal AK, $500 in my XD9 service with night sights, $350 in my XD9SC.

thats $1750! for three guns! and two of them are night/low light capable.

for $1700 you could get a decent ak and like 5k rounds of ammo.

heck if you want a .45 acp carbine just get a glock 21 and a mechtech upper for it. you'll have plenty of money left over for ammo.

[Mjollnir]

$1700. wow. for a .45 acp carbine. definatley a gun for the AMEX gun hipster crowd. heck I have just under $900 in my arsenal AK, $500 in my XD9 service with night sights, $350 in my XD9SC.

thats $1750! for three guns! and two of them are night/low light capable.

for $1700 you could get a decent ak and like 5k rounds of ammo.

heck if you want a .45 acp carbine just get a glock 21 and a mechtech upper for it. you'll have plenty of money left over for ammo.

This^^^^^^^^

[Matt In Oklahoma]

I've seen it but whats the point in it? G18 is cheaper, lighter, easier and anything that needs more precision needs a rifle IMO

[556x45]

I've seen it but whats the point in it? G18 is cheaper, lighter, easier and anything that needs more precision needs a rifle IMO

you can't buy a g18..

[Grand58742]

you can't buy a g18..

And you can't buy a Kriss in a short barrel either without the tax stamp, fed approval, minimum six month wait and however much more that will cost over the standard 16 inch model. Which brings the total price up to...

$1900 or more if the SBR version costs more, which I suspect it probably would. And it's still not going to be full auto since it's a post-86 manufactured item and cannot be sold to the general public.

So...you either pay an extra $200 minimum and wait for a minimum of six months to get what amounts to a handgun with a stock or to avoid the hassle you get the 16 inch model and we end up right back at the Kriss versus AR/AK and precisely square 1 of the debate which still ends with "the rifle caliber AR/AK is still a far more effective platform out of carbine length barrels versus pistol calibers."

OP, it's your money, do with as you please. But the majority of suggestions will be go the AR/AK route, shoot, shoot more, clean, repeat, and probably end up happier in the end that you didn't spend $2000 on a weapon that has significant limits.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

you can't buy a g18..

Just throwin that out there as a different option but I didnt realize you were getting a different version. I thought you were talking about getting a class 3 which is the Kriss. Thats why i threw out the G18 as a more viable option which can also have a stock attached.
my bad

[556x45]

sometimes I get a little stupid you know working for a class III dealer and all. sorry

[PerryJeff]

Grands point is dead on

Almost looks like a solution looking for a problem. While the .45 ACP is a complete BAMF pistol cartridge, ballistically it comes up short when going up against rifle cartridges in a carbine package. Compare:

.45 ACP - 414 ft/lbs for 230 grain +P Federal Hydra-Shok JHP
5.56x45mm - 1303 ft/lbs 62 grain SS109 (green tip) FMJBT
7.62x39mm - 1607 ft/lbs 123 grain FMJ

I always thought the lever action .357 would be a fun walk around rifle with pistol but not practical for anything.
For $1700 get an M14 or as grand said AR I love both...

[jpr9954]

I got to shoot one at a blogger event last year. It was easy to shoot and had minimal recoil. The one I shot was suppressed which minimized recoil even more. It seemed pretty accurate.

The Kriss was designed to be a close-quarters weapon similar in some ways to the H&K MP-5 but shooting the heavier .45ACP. From talking to their rep, the design is meant to allow full auto that is controllable. Of course, only the cops can get the full auto version and due to the Hughes Amendment we'll never get that chance.

Would I get one just for fun? Sure. As a survival tool, doubtful.