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First of all, I never said I was military, ex-military, cop, civilian, or anything else for that matter. You assumed.
Second of all I was in on the testing of the Springfield scopes when they first came out. I've personally owned 2 of them. That was also when The Mark 4 came in a 10X and 16X only. A lot of guys were looking for a good variable and the Springfield "looked" like a good choice. There is a reason they are no longer made. It is not hard to do a google search on them. One lost the reticle and the other would not track and the group would wander around on the target or you would have unexplained fliers.
I am also not talking about round count for a bolt gun. If you are giving or taking a class, of course you will have a large round count. People pay for a class on how to shoot guns, they want to shoot a LOT. Once you master that skill and I mean OWN it, you don't need to send hundreds of rounds down range a month to retain that skill set. Practice it yes, but no since beating a dead horse. Move on to something else and spend time trying to learn another skill set. I also did not say 2k rounds was too much to shoot, just that it is not necessary to scare someone in to thinking they need to be a SEAL to survive. Good basic marksmanship and gun handling skills will suffice for 90% of most people unless they personally want more, and I say again, completely up to them but not necessarily required.
Do you actually read the threads that are started here? The average age of the people here are over 40 with a lot being 50+. How much hand-to-hand is someone going to learn that has never learned even basic self defense skills in the past and then add age in to the equation. Be realistic. There are no old fighters. Getting old is nothing to be ashamed of, just don't over estimate what you are going to accomplish in the real world of bare knuckle brawling. And the guy that was over 60 stating he was just as fast now as he was 30 years ago....how many MMA fighters you see in there 40's much less 60.
As far as showing you that you don't need 2000 rds of rifle ammo to practice in a year. Done. Most of the military and most law enforcement does not expend 2k rds a year for all weapons combined, much less just rifle ammo. And to think how poorly trained these guys are by your standards and they still win probably 90% of the gunfights they are in. Go figure. Could they be better yes, but bottom line they still win most of the time. And unfortunately the best trained guys in the world lose every once in a while.
There is a lot of really good information on this site but when it comes to men and guns, fighting, etc., the men usually go overboard. Just because I have different ideas than you does not make me wrong and vice-versa. You can call it argumentative all you want. I use for example your basic year's supply of grains that you recommend. You state up front that this will get you started in the right direction and is a good base to add on to as you can. You do not have the same opinion about guns, ammo, or training. Simply you must take a week or weeks, go to a class or classes, shoot almost 4000 rds of ammo (by your math above) yearly to make it SHTF. That is simply false and it is proven every day by LEO and the military everyday. If the money, time, and energy is available, then yes, the more you train CORRECTLY, the better you will be, that is a given.
Second of all I was in on the testing of the Springfield scopes when they first came out. I've personally owned 2 of them. That was also when The Mark 4 came in a 10X and 16X only. A lot of guys were looking for a good variable and the Springfield "looked" like a good choice. There is a reason they are no longer made. It is not hard to do a google search on them. One lost the reticle and the other would not track and the group would wander around on the target or you would have unexplained fliers.
I am also not talking about round count for a bolt gun. If you are giving or taking a class, of course you will have a large round count. People pay for a class on how to shoot guns, they want to shoot a LOT. Once you master that skill and I mean OWN it, you don't need to send hundreds of rounds down range a month to retain that skill set. Practice it yes, but no since beating a dead horse. Move on to something else and spend time trying to learn another skill set. I also did not say 2k rounds was too much to shoot, just that it is not necessary to scare someone in to thinking they need to be a SEAL to survive. Good basic marksmanship and gun handling skills will suffice for 90% of most people unless they personally want more, and I say again, completely up to them but not necessarily required.
Do you actually read the threads that are started here? The average age of the people here are over 40 with a lot being 50+. How much hand-to-hand is someone going to learn that has never learned even basic self defense skills in the past and then add age in to the equation. Be realistic. There are no old fighters. Getting old is nothing to be ashamed of, just don't over estimate what you are going to accomplish in the real world of bare knuckle brawling. And the guy that was over 60 stating he was just as fast now as he was 30 years ago....how many MMA fighters you see in there 40's much less 60.
As far as showing you that you don't need 2000 rds of rifle ammo to practice in a year. Done. Most of the military and most law enforcement does not expend 2k rds a year for all weapons combined, much less just rifle ammo. And to think how poorly trained these guys are by your standards and they still win probably 90% of the gunfights they are in. Go figure. Could they be better yes, but bottom line they still win most of the time. And unfortunately the best trained guys in the world lose every once in a while.
There is a lot of really good information on this site but when it comes to men and guns, fighting, etc., the men usually go overboard. Just because I have different ideas than you does not make me wrong and vice-versa. You can call it argumentative all you want. I use for example your basic year's supply of grains that you recommend. You state up front that this will get you started in the right direction and is a good base to add on to as you can. You do not have the same opinion about guns, ammo, or training. Simply you must take a week or weeks, go to a class or classes, shoot almost 4000 rds of ammo (by your math above) yearly to make it SHTF. That is simply false and it is proven every day by LEO and the military everyday. If the money, time, and energy is available, then yes, the more you train CORRECTLY, the better you will be, that is a given.
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