Yet another Hand Gun Suggestion Question?

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

I had not thought about the "Hand Load" or even poor quality "Home Brew" rounds due to lack of raw materials and/or quality equipment before... That gives a good point in long term PAW to consider... Both in Short and Long Arms.

A back up Muzzle Loader now may find its way onto my shopping List!

[Grand58742]

#2. NEW FNP-9 not sure what all it comes with most likely just 2 mags and a box.

The FNP typically ships with three mags although some of those might be ten rounders.

The ones being sold here on base are sold with five magazines, three ten rounders and two of the full size.

[Bear4570]

Having worked in the Emergency Medical Field for 30+ yrs, many of the female nurses I worked have asked me to teach them to shoot. They were introduced to both revolvers and semi-autos of different types. A large majority choose revolvers strictly for the simplicity and lack of manipulating the slide to load and unload, etc.

Hey I love my revolvers but my go to gun is either my 1911's or my Sig's, and my CCW is an Semi-Auto, so I'm not blinded to the advantages of an auto, IF your going to put in the time on the range, practice malfunction drills, etc. they are great, for an occasional shooter I still think the revolver is a safer bet.

Point in fact. The city in which I worked traded in the .38 Model 10s for Glock 17's. In the first year they had more accidental discharges then the had in the 15 yrs prior with model 10's.

Add the adrenlin rush that occurs when the necessity of pulling and pointing a firearm at someone occurs, keeping your finger off the trigger is NOT the first thing a inexperienced shooter thinks about, the prospect of killing another human being is, that is one reason I NEVER recommend Glocks to a new shooter who is not going to train and practice accordingly. And before I get jumped on by all the Glockaholics out there, there is nothing wrong with GLocks, they are a great gun, very reliable, and affordable, for someone who is willing to put in the time accordingly. I have owned several in many different models and one of my wifes favorite guns is a Glock 19. For me they just don't fell good in my hand, personal preference. If I were to recommend an auto to a novice shooter it would be a Sig or Ruger or any other makes and models available that have a hammer drop safety with a long double action first shot capability. Just my two cents. Fire away.

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

If I were to recommend an auto to a novice shooter it would be a Sig or Ruger or any other makes and models available that have a hammer drop safety with a long double action first shot capability. Just my two cents. Fire away.

Sounds like the FNP-9...

[Mjollnir]

The FNP is good gun, very accurate. I believe it can also be carried cocked and locked as well as da/sa. If given the choice between the FNP and the XDsc I would personally go with the FNP myself. If the extended mags have grip sleeves on them it is real easy to pinch your hand between the grip sleeve and the frame when seating the mag. Not only can this cause the mag not to seat propperly, it can cause quite a bit of pain and blood blisters. We've ran into this issue with the wife's Ruger SR9c. For us when concealment is not and issue(around the farm) then it is carried with the extended mag with the grip sleeve in place but the spare mags have the grip sleeves removed.

In regards to comments on the laser usage...... I personally see them as a useful addition if you know how to use them. The laser is not a replacement for the gun's sights. Where they really shine is in low light and when firing from awkward positions that make traditional sighting difficult. It is also a beneficial dry fire practice aid. Dry fire focusing on your sights while keeping the target and laser in the normal blurry/peripheral focus. Concentrate on your trigger control and follow through, and since your eyes are naturally drawn to movement... you will see the if the laser moves.

In regards to the revolver vs. auto and which is better........ *sigh*.....
I've owned a couple Tauruses, a Rossi and a couple Rugers in the past. I've shot numerous other make and models of revolvers and introduced/coached many many new shooters to both. Typically what I have found is a bad shooter is a bad shooter regardless of weapon type. If the person will "spray and pray" with an auto.... it has been my personal experience they tend to do the same with the revolver. Having less ammo did not make them more accurate.

In regards to new shooters finding them easier to use.... this has also not been the case in my personal experience. When compared to the shorter trigger pull of most autos, there is more room for error in regards to propper trigger control. It is also the tendency of many new shooters to want to manually **** the hammer on the revolver between shots even if the gun is capable of firing from the DA mode also. Thus leading to a slower rate of fire and and inexperienced shooter handling a gun with a light trigger negating the added safety associated with heavier DA trigger pull.

In regards to being more reliable than autos..... I've seen first hand revolvers fail. I've witnessed cylinder stops worn/damaged to the point the cylider would skip a chamber and fire out of time shaving the bullets. Seen cylinders locked up in the frame to were it couldn't be opened without the aid of tools. Seen an issue with a single action's sear/hammer that would not hold the hammer back. It is made by man.... it can and will break/fail even if it is a revolver. Whether people want to admit it or not, running out of ammo is a STOPPAGE period. You are guaranteed to have a stoppage every 5-6 rounds depending on capacity vs. a comparable sized auto in 9mm of 12-15 rounds. So you are guaranteed to have at least twice as many stoppages based on capacity alone.

Most of the modern auto loaders are extremely reliable. I currently have around 15k rounds through my Glock17. I can count on one hand the number of malfunctions my particular gun has had not related to my reloads. Most people can perform an immediate action drill(tap-rack-assess) and reload if need be in the time it takes them to reload a revolver. Strickly speaking of reload speed, I've yet to see a single person who could not reload an auto loader faster than a revolver with equal training time on each system.

Final food for thought..... in a close contact/ physical struggle type gunfight yes the autos can be pushed out of battery enough to prevent them from firing. However....... a revolver in the DA mode can be rendered temporally unusable by grasping the cylinder from the top of the gun with a death grip. By grabbing the cylinder in this manner it prevents it from turning to the next chamber or cocking the hammer and thus it can not fire. In the SA mode if they go for a gun grab and get their hand between the the hammer and the firing pin then the gun is inoperable as well. Most people will go for the gun if it is presented to them. With the auto you just pull rearward and you'll have at least one shot until they let go vs the revolver where you are likely to not be able to fire anything until they are off the gun.


just my humble opinion on the matters. ymmv.

[Mjollnir]

Just another quick thing...... if one feels the trigger pull on Glocks is too light for them then they can have any Glock armorer(or do it themselves with the aid of youtube) install the NY trigger system. This will give the gun a 10-12lb trigger pull.

[Bear4570]

Differences of opinions make life interesting :)

[Grand58742]

Differences of opinions make life interesting :)

And it also makes us think as long as one is open minded enough to see things from the other side of the coin.

I enjoy threads like this because even as stubborn and hard headed as I can be, it gives me other opinions/options.

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

One thing I have begun to notice (or come to believe) is that even when it comes to prepping and survival is there is no ONE right way... but many possible paths. At the same time there are many possible pitfalls too.

[kihnspiracy]

Get a used Glock 17. It will easily fit all of your needs.

[stonewater]

my 1/2 cent

if you are carrying a weapon concealed or not, you better train with it, regularly.... wheel gun or semi auto. with that in mind I would like as many rounds in my hand as possible, speed loaders for wheel guns are bulky and not convenient for concealed carry. I can out shoot my brother with his SW 357 any day of the week, rounds down range, accuracy, how tired the hand gets, you name it, even when he fires 38 rounds. ever tried relaoding a revolver blindfolded? I can get 75 rounds with my 19 one in the gun and 4 spares, and you cant even tell I am armed. again train with the gun you are carrying, a minimum of 200 rounds per month down range. do blindfolded magazine changes, blindfolded stovepipe drills, use the gun, please use the gun!!!! make it like another body part..... otherwise dont carry.

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

Thanks for all the feed back!
Decided to look for an FNP, XD, or Glock (which ever I can find to fit my budget the best).

Stonewater,

Yes training is very important. But I know I can "Supplement" my training with rifles without even firing a round by "Dry Firing" aiming at an Outlet "Ground" hole on the other side of the room. It takes some time and every Trigger pull becomes a Failure to Fire Drill but it helps (actually alot)... And I hope I can do something like that with a pistol.