Fun toy and survival tool.

[Pop_45]

I have a Crossman (rated @ 1000 fps) that is intended to take small game. I practice with it about four times a year. I also used it to teach one of my grand kids gun safety before I got him his first BB gun.

My very best shot with the rifle was a head shot on a pigeon at about 35 yards. I'll admit it was more to luck than my prowess with the pellet rifle, but still something to brag about LOL

[Urban Survivalist]

Pellet gun I have...was looking at those compact compound bows also

Both are qiute and can gather food without alerting neighbors what you are going.

[baldsith]

Pellet gun I have...was looking at those compact compound bows also

[610Alpha]

Thank you for banning him, he sounded like the .22 commando I had heard about. Got to keep the rif raff out.

[1Admin]

Obviously we had a spammer and he's gone now.

We do not condone any discussion of anything illegal and folks that start those discussions don't hang around long.

This is for the safety of the whole...

I'll just get to the nut of it ...
Get one of the many fine rifles with the Crossman Nitro Piston ... Much quieter and easier to c o c k ... and less recoil.

Get a .22calibre chambering, and go with one of the premium heavy (heaviest) lead pellets ...
These will be of higher energy ... larger diameter ... and will be SUBSONIC .

The Nitro Piston, coupled with a heavy subsonic round is WAY WAY more quiet and powerful than any other config.

(and legal to shoot, in every municiplaity that I know of ... i.e. are Legal, within the corporate limits).

This one is on my short list ... or the Gamo whisper or the Bone collector .. .22 cal.

http://www.airgundepot.com/crosman-nitro-venom-dusk-air-rifle-22.html

http://www.topairgun.com/product/PY-1784-4752

http://www.simplybbguns.com/Gamo-Whisper-with-Nitro-Piston-22-Caliber-P824.aspx

etcetera ... just search "Nitro Piston 22" and choose "shopping" tab.

'Nuff said.

=Elmer= (Shhh!)

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Sorry but I don't post much, but the advice above is a sure way to go to jail.
To go that route apply for the form 1 at a licensed NFA dealer wait 4-6 months. When approved buy the can and have a professional gunsmith install it.The poster above is the type to draw the wrong kind of attention to this great forum, not to mention giving dangerous advice.

He was taken care of by ADMIN last night. I was trying to get him shut down. You are most correct Metal, good call, and this is not what this site is about!

[Metal]

Sorry but I don't post much, but the advice above is a sure way to go to jail.
To go that route apply for the form 1 at a licensed NFA dealer wait 4-6 months. When approved buy the can and have a professional gunsmith install it.

The poster above is the type to draw the wrong kind of attention to this great forum, not to mention giving dangerous advice.

[Klayton]

@Monel: I do not think many people are using these high velocity air rifles for long range shooting, but rather using the high velocity to up the stopping power of short range kills.

[Monel]

If I were buying today, I think the best buy over all in a "Quality" spring gun is an Air Arms TX200. You get what you pay for.
Don't fall for the marketing hype about velocity. You don't want your pellet going over the sound barrier. It becomes unstable and thus looses accuracy.

[610Alpha]

I had purchased a Beeman RS1 Sportsman Series Dual Caliber (.177 and .22) from a local gun store. Only to my chagrin did I find out afterwards that the trigger pull on that model was 900 lbs. (ok maybe not quite that bad but bad enough to through my shot). Anywho contacted Beeman, in California of all places, sent them $35 and they replaced the whole works with the RS2 Sportsman Series Dual Caliber plus 2 new barrels and this model has an adjustable 2 stage trigger!! Haven't got to shoot it yet but my finger is itching.

Does wonders on rabbits and birds.

[All Talk]

I live in a semi-rural suburb (lots are 4 acres, wooded). My place drops into a ravine behind my house, the far side of which is still on my property and serves as a great backstop at about 100 yds.

I have put cowbells, cymbals, and other metal objects up in trees (dangling from branches or nailed to the trunk) at various heights, distances, and azimuths from my deck. The kids have a couple of Daisys, and I have a break-barrell pellet gun (1200 fps).

Great fun, swinging from target to target -- and NOTHING beats the sound of the bells, gongs, etc. as positive feedback for hits. The first few times you will laugh out loud, I promise you.

Farthest target is a #10 coffee can hanging upside down from the branch of a massive oak @ about 75 yds. Obviously the daisys don't have a prayer, but with my scope I can hit it about half the time, nice satisfying deep "booooong!!!"

Hit a squirrel eating my grass seed right below it, as I said about 75 yds, knocked him through the air but he got up and ran off. Lethality seems to drop off quite a bit with range, although i used to put pellets through-and through a coffee can I had at about 35 yds.

Advice -- coffee cans rust, brass bells do not (but become mangled, even from BBs).

I poped three cotten tail rabbits, one for each of us. The longest shot was about 25 yards and it still droped it right away. I shot one bird and one hugh jack rabbit. The jack rabbit was really big but one shot and it went down when I got over to it it was just a notch above dead so I put one more in it to speed up the process. I was impressed with the gun. I just read if you use high velosity rounds then the Phantom will shot at 1200 fps. Check out this video on preformance pellets its one minute long and cool to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw9JH7rHGiA

Yes!, They can do damage! They can kill you! Shattered the back of my wifes car window, from about 75 yards, by a drunkin neighbor! Which turned out to be my boss and my best friend! They were drinking on the porch and desided the guy that lived next to me had the prefect target! About a 3' globe on his pole light. I was sitting on the porch with my daughter and heard them hooting and holwering over there, and I keep hearing things hit my bushes.I was like WTF and took her inside. Woke up the next morning and saw the wifes back window on her car and put 2+2 together!What a idoit! He paid for the window, cuz he was busted and laid into him for being a idiot! He could have killed me or my daughter. And, yes! I don't live there anymore! been 13 years!

[Triple-sod]

Fair point Klayton, when I was a kid one of my mates had a black widow and it was pretty powerful, in the wrong hands it could have done considerable damage to people, property and animals.

As for the society I think it goes a little bit deeper.

When my grandad was a kid in the 30's/40's at pretty much any age you could go into a gun shop and walk out with a shotgun (and this is England we are talking about). Yet today, I think even the most libertarian among us would feel a little uncomfortable about such a state of affairs.

There are so many unruly, badly raised kids about that you know for a fact it would lead to trouble, and by playing on this fear the liberals get there way. (Ironically of course it could well be argued that it has been the liberal’s policies which have created this situation in the first place)

[rice paddy daddy]

The Crosman rifles sold at Wal Mart are serious weapons, they are not toys. Now, for competition or fine target work, one can spend many hundreds of dollars on brands such as Gamo, but for the average enthusiast (like me) these Crosmans are ok, and usually less than or right around one hundred dollars.