local anesthesia

[meyekey]

Any ideas / recomendations on what could be obtained by a regular joe and used as a local anesthesia?

[610Alpha]

befriend a doctor and a Pharmacist :) good luck cause local anesthesia would most likely be considered a controlled substance. Might be able to get lidocaine but wouldn't count on it.

[meyekey]

ok, so what is everyone elses plan should they need to do sutures or any other minor surgical procedure.... just a whole lot of pain?

[monkeybird]

http://www.northwestpharmacy.com/Pro...e&DrugID=72489


You might try this link.

[610Alpha]

Still need a prescription the site says.

Bite on a stick or a piece of rawhide. A good question hope some others will put in their 2 cents worth.

[MustangGal]

I don't know if you could get it, but veternarians use quite a bit of lidocaine. It is not a schedule 3, where every drop has to be recorded, but I am not sure if it is controlled.

[Rmplstlskn]

I don't know if you could get it, but veternarians use quite a bit of lidocaine. It is not a schedule 3, where every drop has to be recorded, but I am not sure if it is controlled.

Yes, they do, and they do not have to keep records on it... One 2% lidocaine bottle would last a family a long time, as you only need it for painful medical work, which is not the norm.

Ragnar Benson in one of his books recommends forging a vet prescription, but I have not tried it to see how it works. But most places look at lidocaine as an everyday med for vets, so little attention I would think as long as the prescription was filled out right.

Having morphine injectors like the military use would be a goldmine of a find for a serious med kit, but I have no clue how to get some of those without being some kind of EMT or Medic...

Yes, pain management will be very hard in a world where medical care becomes hard to get... Back in the days, they used opiates, and such stuff was EASY to get, but no longer, unless you move to a place known for such crops and field labs...

Rmpl

[610Alpha]

Don't recommend forging a prescription.

[MustangGal]

In my area, most vets stock their own pharmacy, so a 'scrip for lidocaine would be out of the ordinary - enough so that I would expect a call to the vet for confirmation.

Like elittle, I would never recommend forging a rx. It just isn't worth the trouble you could get into. Forging a 'scrip is not like an underage kid trying to buy liquor with a fake id, it is a serious crime. DH isn't home, but I could ask him the particulars, of course his answer would only apply to Arkansas.

[Megan]

There are *several* online medication "stores" that sell prescription medication without a prescription. These companies are based in countries like India, Mexico, etc, but they do sell the real deal. It is of course illegal to buy from them, but since the feds are more focused on "hardcore" drugs, online sales of "lighter" prescription meds go pretty much unnoticed. There are several countries where commonly known "prescription medications" are not prescription medications over there. This is also a good place to get all kinds of antibiotics for emergency use.

We stumbled upon this huge market after we got a new cell phone and the previous person had bought some tramdol from one of these companies. They still call literally every single day and they have for over a year, regardless of the fact that it's the same conversation with the exact same person everyday--- (In an indian accent) "Hello, I'm looking for Kyle". --- "Kyle doesn't own this phone and hasn't for over a year, please take us off your call list." --- "Ok. Well madam, do you take any prescription medications?" Ugh. Every day. It's annoying, but I found them to actually be very useful. : )

Natural anesthesia -- kava kava, Echinacea angustifolia root, Spilanthes, Clove, st john's wart all have anesthetic properties, but not enough for a full on surgical anesthesia. They would be better than nothing though. It's also somewhat common knowledge that alcohol was used to sedate before a medical procedure before local anesthetics were widely used.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

ok, so what is everyone elses plan should they need to do sutures or any other minor surgical procedure.... just a whole lot of pain?

If you need sutures you are already in pain. I have been done without it before. It hurts but again is was already hurting.
LOL most folks are gonns pass out when they see me workin on them anyway:)

[MustangGal]

Honestly, if I were only getting a few stitches, I would refuse the local, it hurts worse than the sutures! I have been sutured with and without local.

[EX121]

How about growing poppies and making your own laudnum. Poppie juice & alcohol. Not quite opium & alcohol but I've heard that it works.

[Megan]

If you need sutures you are already in pain. I have been done without it before. It hurts but again is was already hurting.
LOL most folks are gonns pass out when they see me workin on them anyway:)

Honestly, if I were only getting a few stitches, I would refuse the local, it hurts worse than the sutures! I have been sutured with and without local.

So the mother in me is thinking -- would you still say this about children? If something awful happens to my child, do I suture them up still w/o anesthetic? I have had stitches done with a local anesthetic, and I have to admit that it was pure relief after that area had numbed. And I was grateful that I was totally numbed when I was getting stitched up.

[EX121]

Something else to consider is that in a non-clinical setting it may be better to not stitch the wound. If it deep and needs internal stitches it may be better to allow to drain as it heals from the inside out. Current guidance from the American Red Cross Wilderness first aid is: seek stitches if the edges of the cut don't align when pulled together, its longer than 1 inch, it doesn't stop bleeding in a reasonable time,its on a joint that won't stay closed when the joint is moved, and it can be done within 24 hours.
Another reason for allowing it to stay unstitched if its deep is there may be contanimation within the wound. Thus making it necessary to clean it often.
I would suggest that for most wounds folks learn how to make 'butterfly' closures and use them first.