psalms 94

[rockriver]

verse 16 was attached to an email with video of a german girl standing up to a bunch of german muslims

I scratch my chin during a few verses. but, I can make this my plea..
I think it is david crying out to the Lord God.

here's the chapter.
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Viewing the Standard King James Version. .


1 O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.

2 Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud.

3 LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked triumph?

4 How long shall they utter and speak hard things? and all the workers of iniquity boast themselves?

5 They break in pieces thy people, O LORD, and afflict thine heritage.

6 They slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless.

7 Yet they say, The LORD shall not see, neither shall the God of Jacob regard it.

8 Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?

9 He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?

10 He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?

11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.

12 Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;

13 That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.

14 For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

15 But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it.

16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?

17 Unless the LORD had been my help, my soul had almost dwelt in silence.

18 When I said, My foot slippeth; thy mercy, O LORD, held me up.

19 In the multitude of my thoughts within me thy comforts delight my soul.

20 Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?

21 They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.

22 But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.

23 And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.

[Rmplstlskn]

11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.

Just sharing one of the glimpses of logic I once had years ago...

The above verse says, "... they are vanity." What does that mean? Vanity?
The thoughts of man are without meaning, worthless, small-minded, etc... to the BIG PICTURE, right?

So in Hebrew, this Psalm has the NAME of our Creator in it throughout... Everywhere you see "LORD," in the Hebrew text, it is written as "YHWH." It is David crying out to YHWH...

Yet we read in KJV and other versions, "LORD." They say they REPLACED it due to Jewish traditions to "protect the name" and "keep it Holy." They say, "We should not use His Name in VAIN, so we say LORD instead..."

But what is VANITY again? Is there anything more meaningless and without value than the TITLE, LORD? There are many Lords, many Gods, but there is just one YHWH.

This Psalm is so much more powerful when read with the TITLES removed and the TRUE NAME restored... It is powerful when you invoke the NAME of your Creator...

Just my two cents worth...

Rmpl

[rockriver]

thank you for your comment...
the word Lord appears pretty commonly in the King James Version.
what version does your religion recommend?
you asked what is vanity?
I don't understand the purpose of the question..
but I'd suggest looking it up in a few dictionaries.

if I or another member post another scripture (from whatever version) that includes the word "Lord"
will you be giving the same response... about YHWH ?

if so, may I humbly suggest that you do one huge post with all of your references and background so that we can all refer to it
when we desire an instruction on that matter.

the KjV may not be to your liking..
but I'd just like to know that of all the folks that read my post, basically I got one negative response.. yours.
I just don't understand.

[Rmplstlskn]

Can I also ask why and what right do we have to REMOVE God's name from HIS Scriptures? It was written as it was written, who are we to CHANGE that?

The answer to your questions to me can be found in the intro pages to whatever Bible you use:

New International Version - Preface

"In regard to the divine name YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragrammaton, the translators adopted the device used in most English versions of rendering that name as "LORD" in capital letters to distinguish it from adonai, another Hebrew word rendered "Lord" for which small letters are used.

Today's English Version - Preface

Following an ancient tradition, begun by the first translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (the Septuagint) and followed by the vast majority of English translations, the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually transliterated Jehovah or Yahweh), is in this translation represented by "LORD." When Adonai, normally translated "Lord," occurs preposed to Yahweh, the combination is rendered by the phrase "Sovereign LORD."

Revised English Bible - Introduction to the Old Testament

The divine name (YHWH in Hebrew characters) was probably pronounced 'Yahweh', but the name was regarded as ineffable, too sacred to be pronounced.

American Standard Version - Preface

"I. The change first proposed in the Appendix --- that which substitutes "Jehovah" for "LORD" and "GOD" (printed in small capitals) --- is one which will be unwelcome by many, because of the frequency and familiarity of the terms displaced. But the American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament, as it fortunately does not in the numerous versions made by modern missionaries.


Revised Standard Version - Preface

"A major departure from the practice of the American Standard Version is the rendering of the Divine Name, the "Tetragrammaton."

The American Standard Version used the term "Jehovah"; the King James Version had employed this in four places, but everywhere else, except in three cases where it was employed as part of a proper name, used the English word LORD (or in certain cases GOD) printed in capitals. The present revision returns to the procedure of the King James Version, which follows the precedent of the ancient Greek and Latin translators and the long established practice in the reading of the Hebrew scriptures in the synagogue.

[rockriver]

rmpl,
we are on different trains... I hope yours is to the same destination is mine.. I don't have lowdown's confidence.
the "speed and bumpiness" of your track and the way you sell your train ride is different than my train.
if your train is going to the right destination, I hope your method of selling is successful. if not, I hope not!!

I can think of no Christian associate or relative that takes your position, in any fashion.
I can think of the big ole hoss that pulls his Bible out of his inside pocket at campouts to check me on something I've said around a campfire at 11:00 p.m he's done that several times...
I can think of the visiting preacher at my home who told me I and my family/friends were too fat..
I can think of the meeting I attended tonight.. a "birthday for Jesus" for Christian men.
I can think of the fund raiser in a nearby town for bible translators.
I can think of folks I dealt with in my job.. high up folks and way down low folks.. Church leaders in both categories.
I can think of some jewish friends.
I do have some contact with some folks that whisper about roots.. but they mean something that comes from Africa...
it's not jewish related. at least I hope this isn't related to your belief! my folks have let me know that what they have and do isn'f for me and folks like me.... that's a good thing!


I can think of a few church associates that try to sell their doctrine in the same fashion you do!!
and they are just as strong in taking their stand as you are... different doctrinal points but same mannerisms and approach! ...
but no one that sides with you... I'm sure there are many of "they and them" out there... great! y'all enjoy!

anyhow, I suspect we are not drawing anybody into the Kingdom through our friendly conversation on
your belief...

on an open internet site, I'm going to try to concede the idea that you or anyone can follow my bible scriptures or book recommendation with any comment you want to make!

I do hope that all of your "group" have the same belief structure or real close, or a time of stress is going to result in multiplied stress levels.

so, i'll let you ride your train...

rr

[Rmplstlskn]

I noticed you didn't address any of the evidence I posted about changing the name of our Creator, the YHWH of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to LORD, your primary accusation in this thread against me... It was their words, all based on "ancient Jewish traditions," yet nowhere authorized in Scripture, anywhere...

Rather, you told me how much of a "narrow path" I am on that very few travel. Hmmm, sounds familiar somewhere...

And I don't "sell" anything, I freely give it away. I even have a web site that asks for nothing and has no advertising income.
www.wwyd.org ~ What Would Yahushua Do?

I know your confusion and anger to your core beliefs challenged. I was there too, over a decade ago. Over the years, every time I learn of more CHANGES and TRADITIONS of man that are called "doctrines," I go through the same anger and confusion again until I purge another of MAN'S LIES from my religious faith. This is what happens when you study the text for itself, letting the text teach without denominational or cultural traditions coloring the understanding.

The bottom line, I am 110% COMMITTED to knowing the TRUE Creator, the one who calls Himself "YHWH" in all the ancient Hebrew texts and I have learned that the "rabbit hole" of religion runs far deeper and more extensive than I ever could have imagined... Most are blinded by the "infallible" deception foisted upon them by traditions that go back over a millennia... But anyone who compares "LXX Septuagint" to "Masoretic Text," and the differences in majority and minority texts, as well as the Dead Sea Scrolls and Enoch will soon have to realize the mess MAN has made, and that YHWH allowed to happen. For if YHWH wanted "carved in stone" Scriptures, like the hieroglyphics of Egypt and Babylon, He would not have had them written on animal skins and papyrus, for only one doctrine was ever written by YHWH on stone, that being the 10 Commandments, which says to not make his name "without value." And I believe replacing it with a TITLE, that being LORD, is way to close to this sin for me... For look at how many do not know His name, even those who say they are His Children....

So I walk my narrow path willingly...

Rmpl

[protus]

A man jumps into his suv drives down the four lane highway ..25 min later he is at a campsite over looking a lake...

Another man walks down a rocky trail.....past a waterfall....through an ancient hardwood hammock ....and arrives just in time to watch the sun set on the lake at the camp site his brother set up for them....




My views on "church " and "mans " creation of it would shock most "traditional " folks and prolly down right have me stoned for my views.

There is only one....clouding him and his greatness by being closed minded...towing a party line or blindly following the herd/ flock per say is not healthy.
Look to his creations if you really wish to see how great he is....really look.....

Sorry I can't qoute a verse...or point out a text that proves any of what I've said..

But in the end we're all camping together......

[protus]

Double tap.....

[jimmycthemd]

Sorry I can't qoute a verse...or point out a text that proves any of what I've said..

But in the end we're all camping together......

amen and amen!! Couldn't have said it better if I tried :-)

[Rmplstlskn]

Sorry I can't qoute a verse...or point out a text that proves any of what I've said..

All creation shows forth the greatness of The Creator... From the delicate colors of a hummingbird to the majestic beauty of the heavens, intelligent and creative design is everywhere you look.