What I believe that Jesus is saying to our present situation

[Grantmeliberty]

From a website which I very much respect
If you read all the messages on the site going back to its beginning in 2011, His warnings and His urgings to prepare are entirely consistent with all that I have been shown through the years in prayer and meditation.

http://hearhisheart.wordpress.com/2012/11/

I have chosen your leaders in the White House to do My biddings. Get ready.

This morning while praising the Lord, He said these words to me: Son, tell My people that I hear their cries as they come before Me with a repentive heart.
Word of the Lord:
Oh, My people, I have not let you go. I hear your prayers and your cries. Yes, I am still in control. But hear Me, My people. Your ways are not My ways. For My ways are much higher than yours. I am the one that sets up kings in the land and I bring them down. It is I that have chosen the leaders for your country. Oh, My little ones, do not fear. For I am about to do a mighty work in those that truly seek Me with a pure heart. I am now separating the sheep from the goats. And the goats shall go down one path and the sheep another. For I am about to make a clear distinction between those that are truly Mine and those that claim My name, but their hearts are far from Me.
Oh, My little ones, watch what I am about to do. For it will be in your political arena that a division will be started that will divide your precious land called America. And each side will feel that they are right and should be vindicated. But I tell you now that neither side shall be righteous in their stance. And those that are Mine shall discern the evil in this civil war and come out from among all that is not of Me. For I and I alone shall receive glory in these days and it shall now begin with My people separating themselves unto Me.
I shall reach down from heaven and strike the false shepherds and even they will join sides in this civil war to come. This is how you shall know who is of Me and who is an impostor. For those that make peace shall be called the sons of the living God.
Oh, My people, why? Why do you burden yourselves with what you see in the place called White House? Have I not told you in My word that you are not of this world? Then why entangle yourselves with the affairs of men? For it is I that guides the hearts of kings and I shall use this place you call White House to do My biddings. Yes, My children, the America you have grown to love is no more. And I have done this as I am pouring forth My judgments across this nation that was once great.
But hear Me, My people. Those that are Mine shall not weep over this because they know that their true citizenship is in My Kingdom. And it matters not where My children dwell in the earth realm. So long as they dwell in My Kingdom, I shall provide and I shall protect those that are mine. But for those that only call themselves by My name but do not follow Me; woe unto you. For your hour has come that destruction shall come upon you and you shall not escape.
I love you all, dear children, with an everlasting love. But for too long I have cried and cried out for you all to repent and turn from your wicked ways. I shall now bring My judgments down upon every household. And those not found resting in My mercies through repentance shall be judged swiftly according to their deeds. Many shall even fall by the sword as I sweep across this land with My hand of destruction. Woe unto those that have not heeded My warnings to repent. You mocked My cries for you to repent and turn at My reproof, so I shall now laugh at your calamity. And I will turn a deaf ear to your cries to me when this happens because you chose not to turn at My reproof.
But for those that know not of My ways nor know of My love, I shall have pity upon you if you cry out to Me with a repentive heart. For I have not had those in the land that would be willing to preach My love and forgiveness to the lost. My people sit back in their comfortable houses while many of My lost children wander the streets in hunger. This ought not to be so. But as I cried out to many of My own and they answered not, I shall now cry out to those in the highways and byways and bid them to come into My house. And for those that chose not to answer My call, I tell you now, they shall not sit at My table and taste the good of the land anymore. For I am God and I change not. I have warned of these things in My word. But many of My people choose not to correct themselves and think that I will overlook their sin and selfish ways. Woe unto those that have believed the lies of the false shepherds and prophets. They say all is well when it is not. For I am displeased with My house and now the sinners in Zion shall be afraid.
Hear Me, My little ones. Get your house in order and prepare to be visited by the All Mighty. I love you, My children, and do not desire that any should perish. But now is the time to fulfill ALL of my word. Are you right with Me according to My word? Or have you believed the lies of the false shepherds that say that I am a loving God that no longer judges? Lies I tell you. All lies. Yes, I am a loving God. But My love is holy and demands holiness. Get ready, My children. For now is the time for My judgments to fall upon each household and every person. Where shall you stand at My approaching? In Me, or in your lies and deceit? The choice has always been yours, My little ones.


another site which brings more clarification in how we may see the realization of John 10:27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." in our lives is http://hallvworthington.com/

May these words be a blessing to all of you.

[Rmplstlskn]

Since you posted this in General Discussion and not in the religion forum, where I would personally allow more freedom for people to speak FALSE WORDS if THEY believe it to be from "God," I will say this message is as much from the Elohim of Israel as the Gettysburg Address is from Mickey Mouse... Pure FLESH-originated, charismatic witchcraft...

But for those that only call themselves by My name but do not follow Me; woe unto you.

For I am God and I change not.

YHWH, Elohim of Israel, of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, would NEVER, EVER call Himself by the PAGAN-origin word, GOD, right off the bat. Look up the word origins of God... It is interesting and eye-opening. He told us almost 7000 times what His name is, and it is NOT God... His name is YHWH!

So take that pacifist, altruistic WORDS OF MAN and tell that person you got this from to seek repentance for HIMSELF, for HE has said, "Thus sayeth YHWH..." when it is clearly NOT from Him... He has stepped into a SERIOUS SIN and he WILL be judged accordingly... I have warned him through you... Witness #1 testifies...

Rmpl

[1Admin]

We have to think about what others will think about how we present something. It's great to put a "warning" up but you have to remember their is a lot of secular people out in the world today and even in our "churches." So posting something with a title like this-

I have chosen your leaders in the White House to do My biddings. Get ready.

Could easily be construed several WRONG ways to a person that knows not the Lord. Most quote church going Believers unquote wouldn't get it also. Because neither group has any idea that the Lord many times has sent wicked rulers and/or wicked nations in punishment against a sinful nation.

That being said, what your boy there wrote to a non believer sounds something like this- "G-d put Obama in the white house." Well who the hell likes Obama? And why is G-d messing with us? THAT is the thought that goes through the average public mind when reading something like that. Does that help or HURT the cause of Christ? I think the latter.

I'm gonna leave this open FOR THE TIME BEING but it's being moved to the Prayer room- wherein it should have been posted in the first place.

I appreciate Rmpl's take on this also.

Keep in mind the average theological debate goes over 90% of people's heads...

[WILL]

So he talks directly with God? That's nice.:rolleyes:

[Grantmeliberty]

Sorry to have created a stir, that was not my intention at all.
I agree that YAHUSHUA is His name and that the Sabath is His day, given that I also see George Fox as one who was living YAHUSHUA s word in YAH CHANAN which would be our John. His grace allows us all to come back step by step as we are able, and the pruning and training are not completed in a day. For all of that, He is refining each of us day by day if we allow Him to, and His injunction to pick up our cross daily has been largely ignored by the prosperity and personality cults of today. The message at that site was a denunciation of all of that or I wouldn't have given it a second thought, and I will be in contact with the writer regarding the issues you have raised.
That in this time, the best preparation for anyone is to turn his heart to YAHUSHUA and be led by His spirit may be problematic for those who do not believe, but hearing that message will not hurt them when desperate times engulf them, rather, the Spirit may bring it back to draw them home.
On the issue of pagan corruption, George Fox and William Penn and other early Quakers referred to the days of the week and the months by numbers rather than utilizing names of the pagan dieties. We can bring up the Marine shout of Hoo Ra and look back to the Rah of the Egyptians which it may well hearken to. The early Quakers took seriously Paul's teaching in II Corinthians of being able ministers of a new testament, written by the spirit of YAH on the heart, not in stone, for the Spirit giveth life while the letter killeth. The HearHisHeart website is more closely in tune with the early Quakers than any of the modern charismatics. I say early Quakers because the so-called Quakers of today have nothing to do with George Fox and in fact renounce him, while concentrating upon secular protests. The website www.hallvworthington.com is a wholly free site dedicated to making available all the writings and teachings of the early Quakers, including the terrible persecutions they faced from all the other religions of their day. William Penn was imprisoned and nearly hanged for preaching in England without a license from the Church of England. That they didn't recognize and revive the true name YAHWEH is lamentable, but I am not in any position to pass judgement on anyone.

[Rmplstlskn]

Yes, indeed, paganism permeates almost every single nook and creavice of our culture, history and traditions... Since I try to jetison it as much as possible, being an Ambassador in a foreign land, it often makes me quite an oddball, even to many Christians here. I see that you and I (Grantmeliberty) do see some things eye to eye, but after 3 decades in the Christian Church, most of it protestant/"Spirit-filled," I have seen so many "Words from God" spoken by people that were pure FLESH, which I and others call "charismatic witchcraft," that I have little compassion on someone who says the Father speaks through them, yet the Father's message is riddled with pagan-ease concepts and principles.

Rmpl

[rockriver]

i'm impressed that you two can talk after the mickey mouse, paganism, witchcraft comments.
i thought a capitalized word in a contentious discussion meant you were shouting.
whew.
i'm curious..
if i understand correctly rumpl, you are a " protestant spirit filled christian church" member.
maybe this should be in another thread. but i'm curious.
could you give us a review of what that means. what are the characteristic of that group/denomination?
recently i was given a booklet written by john wesley of the characteristics of a methodist. interesting reading.

"i and others" want to know...

in Him (trying not to use an offensive noun, pronoun or name)

rr

[Rmplstlskn]

i'm impressed that you two can talk after the mickey mouse, paganism, witchcraft comments.
i thought a capitalized word in a contentious discussion meant you were shouting.

If it was in all CAPS, I would be shouting... The occasional capitilization is for EMPHASIS, as one can't change the tone of their words in text... That is how I and many others have used it since the 2400-baud modem days on BBS's...

if i understand correctly rumpl, you are a " protestant spirit filled christian church" member.

Sorry, I was not clear... I "USED" to be in such a thing for 3 decades, even in leadership and youth ministry. Now I am returning Ephraim, returning to WWYD? (WWJD?) Read just the Gospels, without the twisting of Paul that created modern Christianity, and then do as the Bereans did (they did not have any NT), and you will see where I am coming from. Or you can go to my web site: What Would Yahushua Do?

(trying not to use an offensive noun, pronoun or name)

It is all cool (although I do not use Lord anymore), but what sets me off is when people REPLACE the name written with a useless Title, thus make it vanity, no meaning..., especially when someone claims such words of directly from the Father, and there are replacments names used... My web site goes into all of it if you care to see...

Rmpl

[rockriver]

rumpl,
reading in the king james and all of a sudden you came to mind.....

i take it that you "and others" don't care for the king james version of the bible.
so...
leads to the question.
what scripture book do you endorse?
rr

[Rmplstlskn]

rumpl,
reading in the king james and all of a sudden you came to mind.....

i take it that you "and others" don't care for the king james version of the bible.
so...
leads to the question.
what scripture book do you endorse?
rr

I have no problem with KJV, as long as you understand that it has quite a few translational errors, and that you compare the various Greek texts, both minority and majority, to get a "full picture." Indeed, all "man-translated" versions have some errors. Even the ancient Greek texts and fragments differ in some ways from one another, which is why we even have terms like "Majority text" and "Minority Text." It has taken much soul-searching to get to the point where I bucked my "indoctrination" of a God-breathed, infallible Scriptures Christian mantra to a point that I believe some of the Gospels were originally in Hebrew (like Matthew, for a fact), and that the "essence" of the Greek is TRUTH, but what man did after that, during the copies of the copies, is not infallible, nor is any ENGLISH translation. But it is all we got...

I use KJV all the time for study, but I am also armed with Hebrew and Greek compilations as well.

A good example of translational error, or ADDITION in this case, is where "And the Passover was nigh" (John 11:55) is ADDED in some Greek texts but does NOT exist in the minority but OLDEST texts. It is that verse alone that gives birth to the 3.5 years ministry of the Messiah belief. Without it, the cascading Feasts of YHWH flow smoothly along, giving us a 70 WEEK ministry of the Messiah, which fulfills the "Lamb of the FIRST YEAR" prophecy, as Messiah was NOT the Passover Lamb of the FOURTH YEAR...

And how about where "IS" is added by the KJV (it is in italics, which means it was added for context)? Which makes more sense?

Col 2:16-17 KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

~~~~OR~~~~~

Col 2:16-17 KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ.

Written to Believer's in a pagan land, those PAGANS are not to judge YOU, rather the Body of Christ is the only one fit to judge these festivals...

I could go on for pages....

The English translation I LOVE!!!!!! is "The Scriptures." About as close to infallible as man can get, IMO...
ISR The Scriptures

Rmpl

[rockriver]

rmpl,
i read the bible different than you. yep. different. with different conclusions.
and i don't throw out whole books. i believe that will lead to error.
i thought about responding with similar tone and phrases that you did above
decided that that wording might get this locked or deleted, so.. i didn't.

--
so. i settled on these few words.
we disagree.
go in peace,
i hope you find peace.
rr

[Grand58742]

One thing I think we all can agree on is the good intent of many of the teachings of the Bible, no matter what the version or language. While yes, translations could have been changed or misquoted, titles assigned and other words omitted, I believe we all should be striving to live our lives under the principles it puts before us. The Ten Commandments for example are pretty good rules to live our lives by as are the teachings in the Gospels and the examples in the Epistles.

I personally believe if we take the lessons from the Bible, no matter what the translation or particular books, we can all better ourselves in some way.

While we've somewhat wandered away from the topic of the original post, I believe we can all still have a civil discourse on the subject. We may call God by a different name or a different translation, but we all serve the same higher power and that's the common ground we need to remember while having this type of discussion.

[Rmplstlskn]

rmpl,
i read the bible different than you. yep. different. with different conclusions.
and i don't throw out whole books. i believe that will lead to error.
i thought about responding with similar tone and phrases that you did above
decided that that wording might get this locked or deleted, so.. i didn't.

Yes, I understand. Your response to my beliefs is nothing new to me... It is a narrow, little-traveled road I am on. But over a decade ago I committed myself to my Father and His Son alone, to not allow traditions and doctrines to sway me from what the evidence shows me, and to not allow peer-pressure to keep me from acting on what I believe is truth.

I assure you, there has been many times I wish I had taken the blue pill instead, and when I took the red pill, never did I imagine how deep (and ancient) those rabbit holes go... And I will have questions about WHY the Matrix exists when I get before my Savior, but I suspect it will all make sense then...



Rmpl