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    Ordering during a crisis-

    As survivalists and "preppers" our very goal is to prepare ahead of time for a multitude of possible bad things happening.
    One of the very reasons we prepare ahead of time is to ensure the availability of items we need and to avoid having to try to gather things we need at the proverbial "last minute." When hundreds or thousands of people wait till a disaster is here or is imminent to order, backups occur and necessary items get scarce. We have all seen this numerous times since the early 90's in regards to firearms and accessories every time there is a "ban" or even talk of a "ban."
    Hence the very reasoning for us to prepare ahead of time is to avoid these things by purchasing ahead of time. That's our goal as preparedness minded individuals.

    If you are searching for items AFTER a crisis is going on or AFTER a "rush" begins on a certain type of product, you need to remember some key points-
    1. Inventory of hard to find items changes RAPIDLY.
    2. There may not be time to update the website as quickly as things change. Therefore all orders are confirmed when they are charged.
    3. CALL TO ORDER if at all possible- 912.379.9441 or 912.375.1480 Please understand that the phone lines are busy, so if we seem "rushed"- we are. We apologize up front for sounding "rushed"- we are trying to service as many people as possible as quickly as possible.
    4. Be sure to check the email you used regularly for "updates" on your order, problems that may come up, etc. The phones lines are extremely busy, avoid calling to "check on" orders- check your email or email for this information.
    5. Understand that yelling at us, trying to BS us, being demanding, etc. will accomplish NOTHING. It is YOU who waited this long. We want to help you, but you have to be reasonable. As always, we can and often will cancel orders for those that cannot act like rational adults. In other words, being rude, yelling at the staff, etc. will just get your order cancelled. No reason to act like that. And yes, it really does happen which is why I'm writing this.
    6. Be flexible. Yes, all the phone lines may be tied up- keep calling, put the order in online if you have to or email us with a number you will answer and we will call you to get the order once the phone lines slow down. Again, you waited this long, therefore your best option is to be flexible.
    7. If your a repeat customer, let us know. If your a Site Supporter on the forums, let us know. This is to your advantage.
    8. DON'T USE PAYPAL!!! If at all possible we will turn off paypal payments during a crisis. Using paypal means you get charged right then and there, without being able to confirm stock of items. Again, why we stress CALL TO ORDER during crisis ordering times or during "rushes."
    If at all possible don't use the Postal service to mail in orders- i.e, money orders and checks. This simply just takes too long. Customers forget about the time the post office takes to get the mail to us and get impatient. We reserve the right to stop accepting mailed in orders if the situation is dire- i.e, a biological problem like Ebola going airborne or high number of people infected.
    9. Make sure your contact information is correct. If their is a problem we will try to contact you- however it is extremely busy and time is always short. So make sure you use an email address and phone number you WILL check.
    10. Understand we don't have a lot of time to "chat." Questions pertinent to the product and order are fine. Chit chatting about politics, the current situation, etc. we do not have time for at this particular junction. We are trying to serve as many people as humanly possible. You may think we are being rude when we sounded "rushed", we aren't being rude, but we ARE rushed.
    11. We are working around the clock. Last major crisis period with high order volume (the month after 9/11) we answered the phone from 8am till 10pm then we went and helped pack orders with the others. Understand that everyone in this industry is stressed during this time. We have no time for games, rude customers, etc.

    "Why do prices increase?"

    Inventory price is based on two things during a crisis-
    1. Price paid and
    2. Replacement cost.

    #1 we can kinda control, #2 we cannot control.

    Example- you might have paid $7. an ounce for a silver coin you have had for a while, but could you REPLACE that coin for $7. now? Of course not. Your REPLACEMENT COST on that coin has gone up drastically. Would you be able to sell the coin for $7. now? No of course not, because you could not REPLACE it for that price.

    Gas masks, filters and related gear often goes through a large distribution chain often including importers, jobbers, wholesalers, dealers and retail. ANY of these links in the chain can and often do raise prices and it gets passed along from there. Say an importer realizes there is a crisis and demand is higher for a certain item. He will raise the price that the wholesaler has to pay. The wholesaler in turn will raise his price to the dealer. The dealer then has to pay much more for the item than he did previously, EVEN JUST A FEW DAYS PREVIOUSLY. Can the dealer then sell the coin at $7. when "spot price" is now over $20? No he can't- cause he can't replace the coin for $7. Make sense? Simple supply and demand as we all learned in school.

    So how do you defeat that? Simple, order before a crisis. But if that's not possible, then you just have to deal with it. Yelling at the retailer won't help, he's doing his best to just FIND the hard to find items. Also, he's taking a huge RISK just buying the items at the (now) higher price. The crisis could end tomorrow, leaving him with (now) overpriced inventory he can't sell. Been there done that.

    So as always the idea is to get your necessary preps AHEAD OF TIME. If you missed that boat- stay calm, be reasonable, understand that some things might not be available or you may have to pay more for them. That's the downside of waiting around and not actually getting it done while it's cheaper and more widely available.
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  • #2
    Im not speaking for LD3 so don't blame him for what im about to say.. As a retailer in the survival industry I fully understand all the points LD3 is making. When I deal with the general buying public it is for the most part positive. UNTIL.... a buying frenzy starts. Most who don't know better think we love these times. I for one can tell you I don't , in fact I loath them. It seems every idiot comes out of the wood work and is irate at me personally because THEY didn't think ahead. The usual claims of profiteering and price gouging are flung with reckless abandon intermingled with indignation that they cant buy the quantity that they think they are entitled to. The fact that I am out of stock on the item of the day isnt my fault.. ITS YOURS!! The average American consumer has ZERO understanding of market forces, supply and demand is simply a term they have heard, they have NO clue what it actually means. What I may have paid for a certain retail item is irrelevant, how much it will cost me to get it again and how many of them I can get IS. Often our suppliers demand that we purchase larger numbers during these times just to get decent pricing only to be left with unsold inventory when the demand drops. We make profit because of the risk we take, you pay our profit as a fee for borrowing our money and purchasing power. Thats the way it is!!!! I enjoy your business, in fact I depend on it and I will do EVERYTHING I can to provide you with the best service and price possible. However, don't ask me to provide you with all the supplies you want or need (which I had to pay for IN ADVANCE) then get upset with me if you feel im asking too much or my inventory is low.. IM TAKING ALL THE RISKS!! I know it sounds like im a bitter retailer, just complaining about my customers and I understand where you might think that but the last few years the general buyer seems to have a real issue with my making a profit. It's as if its evil to make a profit anymore.......

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    • #3
      I am the type of consumer that wants retailers to make a profit and if I wait to long that's on me.

      A popular electronics company I buy PC stuff from has been doing FLASH sales and so has a sporting goods company. If I have cash on hand I can get some great deals...if I don't I end up wishing I did.

      I think most consumers don't take the time to understand the retail market and their frustration actually comes from this lack of understanding. They don't understand price fluctuations. They certainly don't know how much profit each retailer needs to keep the lights & feed their family because each retailer has a different cost structure as well as why some retailers are cheaper than others.

      Total value of a retailer is more than just price for the item, how well do they communicate about supply issues, how fast do they ship, how well priced are they on shipping (some retailers don't even try), how do they handle product returns, etc. I'll wager it isn't easy to show value to someone that doesn't understand the previous paragraph. It takes time and energy to explain all this to a one time customer and retailers ask themselves is it worth it each time.

      I think Retailers should work on creating a Tribe (Seth Godin wrote a book on tribes), think Apple and their tribe. Big difference between retailer and product maker like Apple but I think it can be done. I'll wager that its worth it.

      I for one appreciate retailers that educate me.
      "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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      • #4
        really good points made 610. Especially about service and educating the customer. Ill use JRH as the example company here. When I purchased my PVS14 I got it from Robert (JRH) not because of this forum or being a member here though the loyalty did come into play. I bought from him because I saw all the contributions he has made to our community over the years. I knew that JRH was owned by someone who was legitimately and intimately involved in the survival movement and had years of actual involvement . Also, he took time to talk to me. Yeah I know a very simple thing and not always possible especially when times are busy but that is part of customer service. Ill be honest with you, I didn't even check prices elsewhere. I didn't need to because I knew that JRH was honest and I knew they would have fair pricing. Now about education,, I know JRH does it,, pretty obvious and I know I do it with my customers though it isnt always possible and sometimes there are those people who just won't listen to reason. They saw a youtube video and that's all there is to it. At the end of the day though in my opinion our industry is by far the most rewarding of the retail options. I do gun shows , TONS of em and sometimes people can drive you crazy but I love the survivalist community and I love them as customers..

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        • #5
          Originally posted by justanothergunnut View Post
          really good points made 610. Especially about service and educating the customer. Ill use JRH as the example company here. When I purchased my PVS14 I got it from Robert (JRH) not because of this forum or being a member here though the loyalty did come into play. I bought from him because I saw all the contributions he has made to our community over the years. I knew that JRH was owned by someone who was legitimately and intimately involved in the survival movement and had years of actual involvement . Also, he took time to talk to me. Yeah I know a very simple thing and not always possible especially when times are busy but that is part of customer service. Ill be honest with you, I didn't even check prices elsewhere. I didn't need to because I knew that JRH was honest and I knew they would have fair pricing. Now about education,, I know JRH does it,, pretty obvious and I know I do it with my customers though it isnt always possible and sometimes there are those people who just won't listen to reason. They saw a youtube video and that's all there is to it. At the end of the day though in my opinion our industry is by far the most rewarding of the retail options. I do gun shows , TONS of em and sometimes people can drive you crazy but I love the survivalist community and I love them as customers..
          Great example and thanks for sharing!
          "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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