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    Realities of full time retreat security copyright 2005 Robert Henry


    Most survivalists have never fully realized the implications of mounting a full time security guard at their retreat.

    I've advocated for years the need for grouping together with other survivalists for mutual defense. Even a family will have problems in the long term trying to mount a 24/7 guard duty.

    In the past, we've covered some of the basic physical preps- hardening your retreat, layout of OP's and defensive positions, etc. Now we will talk about the "soft" side of things- the group and personal dynamics of having full time security.

    First off a duty schedule needs to be made up. Some of the factors to consider are:
    * How many defensive positions must be operated.
    * How many TRAINED personnel are available to man them.
    * How many support people are needed for them.
    * Each individual guard's physical abilities or lack thereof.


    How many defensive positions must be operated?

    If you remember back a while, I've advocated having an "inner perimeter" for your retreat that is as tight as possible. If you have 200 acres and have the idea that you are going to keep it totally under guard with 6 people, it just ain't gonna happen. However, if you shrink your main (notice the word main) defensive considerations to 5 or 10 acres surrounding your dwellings and support structure, this is a closer possibility.

    Ideally, one position could "cover" the entire inner perimeter of your retreat. More likely than not, 2 or more positions will be necessary. The more positions the better as long as they can be adequately manned. As much as possible we want multiple positions to be mutually supportive of each other when it comes to defensive fire. If possible those positions should be within sight of each other. During daylight hours, each guard will visibly check on the other guard numerous times every 20-30 minutes of their watch. At night, they will check in with each other via field phones.

    I'm not a big fan of undue RF (radio frequency) emissions around your retreat area, no matter the band. Military surplus field phones, such as the TA-1's and 312's provide a secure non tactical communications source. Each position should contain at least one phone connecting it with other positions. Ideally, each dwelling or shelter area of your retreat should have a field phone also. Guards should also carry short range radios with them in their gear also, but these should be used (where possible) strictly for if/when trouble starts. The key reason here is mobility.

    How many TRAINED personnel are available to man them?

    Don't kid yourself here. You need people properly trained and equipped to handle any situation that may present itself. 90 year old "Pappy" from WWII and 10 year old "Lil Joe" have their place in helping with the defense of the retreat, it just might not be front line type help.

    We are talking about people that can stand, watch and most importantly PAY ATTENTION and follow simple instructions for 4, 6 or even 8 hours at a time.

    Are they physically able to stand that long? Yes, they can sit where possible. Can they be trusted to not fall asleep at 2 a.m or to call in and ask for someone to relieve them if they cannot?

    Can they reliably hit targets that will present themselves at the maximum engagement distance for that particular position? Do they see well at night? Do they see well during the day for that matter? Do they smoke? You can't have people smoking on guard duty and most serious smokers can't go 30 minutes without a hit.

    Are they jumpy or overly nervous? Will they start shooting blindly into the bush when they see a shadow in the middle of the night? Have they been trained in how to properly use their eyes at night? Do they have experience and confidence in it? Do their know your groups SOP's for defense? Can they exercise noise and light discipline?

    After you train your people in the skills necessary for regular guard duty, it's important to do some simulations. What is the SOP for someone just walking up to your gate? Do the guards just start blasting? These are the things that have to be hammered out ahead of time to avoid any problems.

    The bugs tend to be worked out after about 4 or 5 times of practice. A simple checklist that is gone over before going on guard duty with things like: "Load your weapon before leaving the house. Check your batteries in your radio. Is your weapon clean?" go a long way in reminding everyone of what needs to be done. Regular inspections of gear and weapons sounds ridiculous, but is necessary to maintain a high level of preparations.

    How many support people are needed for them?

    Who will be cooking, growing food, tending animals, preserving food, repairing items, keeping the dwellings, doing laundry, etc. while you mount a full time guard? In a small group, the folks that are mounting the regular guard may also have to do all these tasks. Essentially this might work out to having 2 jobs at 40 hours or more per week. Stress and breakdowns (physical as well as mental) are a real possibility.

    Each individual's physical abilities or lack thereof

    I eluded to some of this earlier in this article. Some folks may not have eyesight capabilities necessary for pulling a night guard duty. People in poor physical shape may lack the stamina to stand for long periods of time without sitting down. All of these things have to be factored in and where possible, worked around.

    So, let's work through some examples of figuring all this out.

    Joe's group consists of 42 people including dependents. 8 of these 42 are "regular" group members. They train regularly and are equipped properly. Initially, these 8 would be the only ones considered for guard duty. As time went on, some of the people who were not normal group attendees could be trained for and used on guard duty. This would free up the original 8 to some degree, allowing further patrolling outside the retreat, remote observation posts near key travel routes, ambush detail, etc. Outside of this, consider that of the original 8, several of these people are bound to be "specialists" in some area where their skills will be needed regularly at the retreat. Consistently sending someone out to relieve them at their position is counter productive.

    So, Joe's got 8 people (for the time being) for a full time guard. Joe also has 2 positions he wants covered 24/7. This reduces the number 8 down to 4. With 24 hours in a day, it's obvious that those 8 people will each have at least one 6 hour guard duty shift every day.

    From there we look at physical abilities. Fred and Wilma both can't see two feet in front of them at night. They are out for any of the night shifts as they would become a liability. Betty and Barney on the other hand, love the night, see well in full darkness and work the "graveyard" shift currently at their work. It's an easy guess that Betty and Barney will be covering six hours of the night duty.

    If you have to use any older children (i.e, 10-13), "young adults" (14-16) or anyone not specifically trained for guard duty, I'd highly advise using them principally during the day and/or doubling them up where possible. It takes quite a bit of night training to develop the confidence of standing a lone watch by yourself and being effective doing it.

    Any distance marksmen should have day shifts where long engagement distances are possible. If only one person in your group can effectively engage targets at 500 yards and he is put on night duty it severely limits you getting the most productive use out of his skills.

    Where possible, limiting of guard duty shift time periods to six hours or less should help to maintain energy levels and alertness. Four hours obviously would be much better, but a higher number of guards are needed for shorter shift periods. Consider also breaking duty times up to a few hours during the day and a few hours at night in same groups that must maintain several positions.

    Seismic detection units are force multipliers for your guards. However, these should not take the place of guards, nor should any other types of electronic surveillance or dogs. That being said, you need to stack the deck in your favor every way possible.

    Some odds and ends that you might find helpful

    Make your permanent guard positions as comfortable as possible. This means at a minimum rainproof. Portable space heaters may be o.k. for use in extreme increment weather (very few people you will go up against will have thermal imaging). A toilet or a "pee tube" in the OP can be highly beneficial. A simple "pee tube" can be constructed out of 2" PVC pipe. At the "input" area put a coupling with a threaded adapter and clean out plug. Tie a short piece of 550 cord to the clean out plug so it doesn't get lost, especially at night. You can put the tube up to correct height so that the guard can still maintain watch while urinating. The tube should run slightly downhill a good distance away from the OP, terminating either directly into a gravel pit at least a foot underground. Alternatively, you could drill dozens of holes in the bottom of the pipe along the last 3-4 feet before the pipe terminates. Once a week use a weak bleach/water solution to flush the tube. It works.

    A thermos of warm fluids- tea, coffee, soup broth, is helpful during long watches in increment weather. I would advise that guards do NOT eat at the OP. Have someone relieve them for 30 minutes and give them a chance to eat a decent meal if their watch falls during one. A 30 minute break once every 4 to 6 hours of guard duty is very helpful to give people a chance to refocus.

    Supplies necessary to put the OP into action should be packed in a waterproof container and stowed ready for use. This includes items like: 10 or so extra mags for rifles (keep loaded at 20 versus 30 rounds to avoid spring problems), extra batteries for flashlights, NVG's and radios, whistle's, boat air horns, flares, first aid kit, extra battle dressings, C.A.T. tourniquet, binoculars, field phones, kevlar helmet, camo netting for the OP, hand warmers for increment weather, etc.

    Field phone wire should be pre-deployed ahead of time to each position and marked as to where it goes. To put the OP into action, the waterproof container of supplies (see above) marked with that OP location is carried down to the location, the field phones hooked up and comm checked, and the guard is ready for duty.

    All for now. Hope this helps. RH
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  • #2
    This subject, and your post, are one of my top things to try and stress to folks. If you've never pulled SERIOUS guard duty, especially in less than optimal conditions, its hard to really grasp the mental toll that it can and does take on one. This in turn takes a physical toll on you, on TOP of the other obvious physical issues involved. I really think that many people do not truly comprehend what all is involved in this aspect of survival.

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    • #3
      It requires a huge amount of discipline that's for sure. Fighting the Z monster is probably the most difficult part of guard duty, speaking from experience (boredom being the 2nd most difficult part).
      "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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      • #4
        Great post, mine on searching kinda goes with it unless you just plan on shooting everyone. Man them split sleep shifts bite!
        Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

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        • #5
          I got my introduction like most people, in the military. I was in the Air Force, and we didn't pull regular shifts at guard duty. Unfortunately, I was on a on-call situation when one of the regulars didn't show up for work. I was told to go out and do the roving patrol for a while, until they could either find the guy that didn't show, or get another regular to replace him. This was in Korea in 1978 or so. Of course it was 20 degrees and blowing snow at the time. The thing that got me through it was the one adage I learned in the military that has really stuck with me. That adage was: "If you can't get out of it, get into it!" For the two hours that I spent humping that fence with an M-16, not a single scrap of paper got by me. <G> Every movement was checked out, and then checked out again. I became so intent on what I was doing that I forgot about the biting cold. Hey, it sucked, but it could have sucked a LOT worse....

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          • #6
            Your folks on watch also must be the ones that you KNOW will follow your retreats ROE as well. It does no good to have timmy on duty to let a group or single person get to your inner wire per say. That alone is a much harder subject for some to swallow( and talk about) than getting them to sit and be attenitive for 4-6 hours at a time.
            This is one of the few shtf "jobs" where sitting in a tree stand or box blind hunting kinda plays into each other ( IF the person applys those concepts to both) you have to
            1- stay awake
            2- be looking for movement
            3- be listening for movement
            4- be ready to shoot at any moment after identifying your target.

            I am not saying that hunter joe will be your best guard.....im saying that if a person wanted to "try" their hand at it , before an event, they can mimic "watch" duty any way they can ( hell..set up a fake OP/LP in your back yard, frs/grms comms to the wife inside or buddy..place a few objects that are out of place to be found -as a game- or do area sketches and compare later) Make what you can of it,when you can so you know if you can aware of the effects of being alert for a few hours.
            Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lowdown3 View Post
              Realities of full time retreat security copyright 2005 Robert Henry


              Most survivalists have never fully realized the implications of mounting a full time security guard at their retreat.

              I've advocated for years the need for grouping together with other survivalists for mutual defense. Even a family will have problems in the long term trying to mount a 24/7 guard duty.

              In the past, we've covered some of the basic physical preps- hardening your retreat, layout of OP's and defensive positions, etc. Now we will talk about the "soft" side of things- the group and personal dynamics of having full time security.

              First off a duty schedule needs to be made up. Some of the factors to consider are:
              * How many defensive positions must be operated.
              * How many TRAINED personnel are available to man them.
              * How many support people are needed for them.
              * Each individual guard's physical abilities or lack thereof.


              How many defensive positions must be operated?

              If you remember back a while, I've advocated having an "inner perimeter" for your retreat that is as tight as possible. If you have 200 acres and have the idea that you are going to keep it totally under guard with 6 people, it just ain't gonna happen. However, if you shrink your main (notice the word main) defensive considerations to 5 or 10 acres surrounding your dwellings and support structure, this is a closer possibility.

              Ideally, one position could "cover" the entire inner perimeter of your retreat. More likely than not, 2 or more positions will be necessary. The more positions the better as long as they can be adequately manned. As much as possible we want multiple positions to be mutually supportive of each other when it comes to defensive fire. If possible those positions should be within sight of each other. During daylight hours, each guard will visibly check on the other guard numerous times every 20-30 minutes of their watch.When not visible there should be a watch commander making rounds or better yet so as not to give away every position walking the same path everytime doing a visual with binos etc. At night, they will check in with each other via field phones. Normal is 30 minute watch calls

              I'm not a big fan of undue RF (radio frequency) emissions around your retreat area, no matter the band. Military surplus field phones, such as the TA-1's and 312's provide a secure non tactical communications source. Each position should contain at least one phone connecting it with other positions. Ideally, each dwelling or shelter area of your retreat should have a field phone also. Guards should also carry short range radios with them in their gear also, but these should be used (where possible) strictly for if/when trouble starts. The key reason here is mobility.

              How many TRAINED personnel are available to man them?

              Don't kid yourself here. You need people properly trained and equipped to handle any situation that may present itself. 90 year old "Pappy" from WWII and 10 year old "Lil Joe" have their place in helping with the defense of the retreat, it just might not be front line type help.

              We are talking about people that can stand, watch and most importantly PAY ATTENTION and follow simple instructions for 4, 6 or even 8 hours at a time.

              Are they physically able to stand that long? Yes, they can sit where possible. Can they be trusted to not fall asleep at 2 a.m or to call in and ask for someone to relieve them if they cannot? take into account work loads and sleep deprivation as well and shorten the shifts as needed. For those on guard this means being flexible in your mindset

              Can they reliably hit targets that will present themselves at the maximum engagement distance for that particular position? Range Cards
              https://www.survivalandpreparednessf...ght=range+card

              Do they see well at night? Do they see well during the day for that matter? Do they smoke? You can't have people smoking on guard duty and most serious smokers can't go 30 minutes without a hit. All you old military guys hiding under them ponchos smokin which means ya aint watchin, i used to wait for it when on the OPFOR

              Are they jumpy or overly nervous? Will they start shooting blindly into the bush when they see a shadow in the middle of the night? Have they been trained in how to properly use their eyes at night? gets harder as i'm get older and the hearing aint improving eitherDo they have experience and confidence in it? Do their know your groups SOP's for defense? still havent gotten round to writing them up, sighCan they exercise noise and light discipline?

              After you train your people in the skills necessary for regular guard duty, it's important to do some simulations. What is the SOP for someone just walking up to your gate? Do the guards just start blasting? These are the things that have to be hammered out ahead of time to avoid any problems.

              The bugs tend to be worked out after about 4 or 5 times of practice. A simple checklist that is gone over before going on guard duty with things like: "Load your weapon before leaving the house. Check your batteries in your radio. Is your weapon clean?" go a long way in reminding everyone of what needs to be done. Regular inspections of gear and weapons sounds ridiculous, but is necessary to maintain a high level of preparations. Again, watch commander conducting a "stand to" aka inspection perhaps

              How many support people are needed for them? leader, medic, food service

              Who will be cooking, growing food, tending animals, preserving food, repairing items, keeping the dwellings, doing laundry, etc. while you mount a full time guard? In a small group, the folks that are mounting the regular guard may also have to do all these tasks. One thing that may have top be added is an overwatch during work hours so those working are not just hung out to dry which means another duty to be filled
              Essentially this might work out to having 2 jobs at 40 hours or more per week. Stress and breakdowns (physical as well as mental) are a real possibility.

              Each individual's physical abilities or lack thereof

              I eluded to some of this earlier in this article. Some folks may not have eyesight capabilities necessary for pulling a night guard duty. People in poor physical shape may lack the stamina to stand for long periods of time without sitting down. All of these things have to be factored in and where possible, worked around. Also take into account those on medications and their ability to stay awake

              So, let's work through some examples of figuring all this out.

              Joe's group consists of 42 people including dependents. 8 of these 42 are "regular" group members. They train regularly and are equipped properly. Initially, these 8 would be the only ones considered for guard duty. As time went on, some of the people who were not normal group attendees could be trained for and used on guard duty. This would free up the original 8 to some degree, allowing further patrolling outside the retreat, remote observation posts near key travel routes, ambush detail, etc. Outside of this, consider that of the original 8, several of these people are bound to be "specialists" in some area where their skills will be needed regularly at the retreat. Consistently sending someone out to relieve them at their position is counter productive.

              So, Joe's got 8 people (for the time being) for a full time guard. Joe also has 2 positions he wants covered 24/7. This reduces the number 8 down to 4. With 24 hours in a day, it's obvious that those 8 people will each have at least one 6 hour guard duty shift every day.

              From there we look at physical abilities. Fred and Wilma both can't see two feet in front of them at night. They are out for any of the night shifts as they would become a liability. Betty and Barney on the other hand, love the night, see well in full darkness and work the "graveyard" shift currently at their work. It's an easy guess that Betty and Barney will be covering six hours of the night duty. but but but thats not FAIRRRRR

              If you have to use any older children (i.e, 10-13), "young adults" (14-16) or anyone not specifically trained for guard duty, I'd highly advise using them principally during the day and/or doubling them up where possible. It takes quite a bit of night training to develop the confidence of standing a lone watch by yourself and being effective doing it.

              Any distance marksmen should have day shifts where long engagement distances are possible. If only one person in your group can effectively engage targets at 500 yards and he is put on night duty it severely limits you getting the most productive use out of his skills.

              Where possible, limiting of guard duty shift time periods to six hours or less should help to maintain energy levels and alertness. Four hours obviously would be much better, but a higher number of guards are needed for shorter shift periods. Consider also breaking duty times up to a few hours during the day and a few hours at night in same groups that must maintain several positions.

              Seismic detection units are force multipliers for your guards. However, these should not take the place of guards, nor should any other types of electronic surveillance or dogs. That being said, you need to stack the deck in your favor every way possible.

              Some odds and ends that you might find helpful

              Make your permanent guard positions as comfortable as possible. This means at a minimum rainproof. Portable space heaters may be o.k. for use in extreme increment weather (very few people you will go up against will have thermal imaging). A toilet or a "pee tube" in the OP can be highly beneficial. A simple "pee tube" can be constructed out of 2" PVC pipe. At the "input" area put a coupling with a threaded adapter and clean out plug. Tie a short piece of 550 cord to the clean out plug so it doesn't get lost, especially at night. You can put the tube up to correct height so that the guard can still maintain watch while urinating. The tube should run slightly downhill a good distance away from the OP, terminating either directly into a gravel pit at least a foot underground. Alternatively, you could drill dozens of holes in the bottom of the pipe along the last 3-4 feet before the pipe terminates. Once a week use a weak bleach/water solution to flush the tube. It works.

              A thermos of warm fluids- tea, coffee, soup broth, is helpful during long watches in increment weather. I would advise that guards do NOT eat at the OP. Have someone relieve them for 30 minutes and give them a chance to eat a decent meal if their watch falls during one. A 30 minute break once every 4 to 6 hours of guard duty is very helpful to give people a chance to refocus. This is difficult with the amount of time what we did to combat this as well as combat those who were doing pre-attack recon maps on us was to have at least 2 positions that could/would be rotated, then the ants never got too bad and them attacks sometimes went to the wrong hole

              Supplies necessary to put the OP into action should be packed in a waterproof container and stowed ready for use. This includes items like: 10 or so extra mags for rifles (keep loaded at 20 versus 30 rounds to avoid spring problems), extra batteries for flashlights, NVG's and radios, whistle's, boat air horns, flares, first aid kit, extra battle dressings, C.A.T. tourniquet, binoculars, field phones, kevlar helmet, camo netting for the OP, hand warmers for increment weather, etc. LTL weapon for options and protective mask (gas mask) perhaps as well

              Field phone wire should be pre-deployed ahead of time to each position and marked as to where it goes. To put the OP into action, the waterproof container of supplies (see above) marked with that OP location is carried down to the location, the field phones hooked up and comm checked, and the guard is ready for duty.

              All for now. Hope this helps. RH
              Something that I have been giving some thought to and added some comments in. Basics and deployments were a real good experience of lack of sleep, stress and physical toll.
              You physically work 14-16 hrs then have to sleep 4 hrs then get up and pull duty then go right into the next day of physical work say in the fields and by lunch you are hurt because you wernt paying attention to the plow and didnt move fast enough to get out of the way and and got cut which then just complicates matters and so on and so forth.
              Being in charge of schedules is no rose garden either cause EVERYONE hates you and your stupid schedule and your stupid inspections "cause i'm grown and i know what i'm doing" oh I did forget my jacket and now that fronts rolling in, so on the phone and calling "that guy" to bring it out to my position which now gives away my position to anyone doing surveillence on us.........
              Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

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              • #8
                Good points. You are definitely not everyones BFF when you have to work out a schedule or sometimes kick butt to make it happen.

                I'll never forget one response I got once at a patrol RON position-

                "Wake up, it's your watch (shakes the guy and whispers)"

                "OK dude I'm up." (never moves from the supine sleeping position).

                I wait a moment, he never moves a bit.

                "Hey jerky, wake up it's your shift."

                "Dude! I'm up, I'll watch from here (laying down in sleep position under his hooch)."

                Needless to say he got a couple of good kicks to the boots and shins till he got up- He was a lazy corner cutting SOB so everyone was used to his antics :)
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                • #9
                  I remember quite a few pushups assigned to the platoon because someone got caught sleeping during watch.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Irish-Tech View Post
                    I remember quite a few pushups assigned to the platoon because someone got caught sleeping during watch.
                    That incident happened in a training environ and really was more about the guy being lazy.

                    We should PLAN for people being tired and needing to "tap out" during long watches.

                    IMO, better to tell people- "hey if you are falling asleep, call in and we'll send someone so you can get a catnap" versus having someone catching Zzzzz's and playing it off. This isn't the military and the reality of the sitch is that it might be 70 year old grandpa, 16 year old grandson, etc.

                    It just needs to be clear that "tapping out" like that can only happened a great once in a while, not an every day thing.
                    Boris- "He's famous, has picture on three dollar bill!"

                    Rocky- "Wow! I've never even seen a three dollar bill!"

                    Boris- "Is it my fault you're poor?"

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