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  • Tension Between Self-Reliance and OPSEC

    I'm very early in my preparedness planning, and there's one concept that I've been turning over in my head and I'd like to hear your opinion on it. It's really more of a thought experiment, but anyway, here goes: it seems to me that there is a real tension between long-term self-reliance and OPSEC. Like the more you have of one, the less you have of the other.

    Let me try to explain what I mean.

    With respect to OPSEC, it's pretty obvious why we don't go around shouting from the rooftops about the number of MREs or the gallons of water we have stored. We want to put ourselves in a situation where as few "outsiders" as possible know about our preparedness plans. This is because we believe that the more people know, the greater the chance of us becoming a target in bad times, simply because we prepared in good times. If everyone knows about our large stores of food, everyone will know exactly where to go when they become hungry.

    To that end, we try to appear outwardly like we're not preparing, as though we're just like everyone else, when in fact we are stocking up on our three Bs. This lets people know that there's nothing to see here; move along!

    However, it seems to me that, while a small, off-grid farm/homestead is probably the most self-reliant lifestyle, it is also inherently different from the norm in a way that is impossible to hide. Anyone who sees your garden or hears your rooster crowing might as well have seen a pallet of MREs. The problem is that livestock require more space and are much louder than MREs! You can implore your chickens to exercise noise discipline all you want, but they just won't listen.

    Obviously having some livestock and a garden is better at providing for you and your family over the long haul; those MREs just won't reproduce so they'll eventually run out. And in an emergency situation, it'll be too late to order heirloom seeds online and buy a few pigs at auction.

    But if you do have some livestock and a garden, how can you avoid becoming a target for anyone who wanders close enough to hear the telltale sounds or smell the telltale smells of a homestead? Even if you manage to turn them away with guns and/or charity, what's to stop them from telling stories about what a good thing you've got going wherever they happen to stop next? They tell two people who each tell two more, etc. And even if you ask them not to tell, will they be willing to keep your secret the next time someone has them at gunpoint asking them for food?

    So to everyone out there: how do you reconcile long-term self-reliance and OPSEC? How do you keep a loud, smelly secret? :P

  • #2
    Originally posted by Joel View Post
    But if you do have some livestock and a garden, how can you avoid becoming a target for anyone who wanders close enough to hear the telltale sounds or smell the telltale smells of a homestead? Even if you manage to turn them away with guns and/or charity, what's to stop them from telling stories about what a good thing you've got going wherever they happen to stop next? They tell two people who each tell two more, etc. And even if you ask them not to tell, will they be willing to keep your secret the next time someone has them at gunpoint asking them for food?

    So to everyone out there: how do you reconcile long-term self-reliance and OPSEC? How do you keep a loud, smelly secret? :P
    You move out to the country, where all of your neighbors (all 6 of 'em in a 1 mile radius) have pigs, goats, cows, chickens and gardens. Then you periodically fire your guns off in your yard (just like your neighbors do) to remind everyone around you that you have guns too.
    ;-)

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    • #3
      They tell two people who each tell two more, etc. And even if you ask them not to tell, will they be willing to keep your secret the next time someone has them at gunpoint asking them for food?
      That is exactly what many of us believed happened in the book "Patriots" when the group gave some food in charity to a group that passed through.

      Like HA said move out to the country, shoot your guns a couple days after the neighbors shoot their guns :) and make sure your livestock smell like theirs. If possible pick your location so that for them to see your place the have to intentionally drive to your farm...don't be between them and the hard road (be at the end of the gravel road or something).
      "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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      • #4
        Originally posted by elittle View Post
        That is exactly what many of us believed happened in the book "Patriots" when the group gave some food in charity to a group that passed through.

        Like HA said move out to the country, shoot your guns a couple days after the neighbors shoot their guns :) and make sure your livestock smell like theirs. If possible pick your location so that for them to see your place the have to intentionally drive to your farm...don't be between them and the hard road (be at the end of the gravel road or something).
        Yep. We were truly blessed to find land on the end of a mile long dirt road, with a 1 acre fish pond on it.

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        • #5
          My wife and I have come to the conclusion that we will be prepared as possibly in every way we can think of. We will give charitably to how ever many people we can. But, we also have to be able to, and have the right to, defend our children's lives and our property to any end. The good Lord has the rest of it figured out. We trust in Him.
          אני אעמוד עם ישו וישראל

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          • #6
            I dont think you can keep a farm or animals a secret. Even a fox will know soon that a hen is near. Varmits of all kinds, 2 and 4 legged, will plauge you. I think that you may need to caculate that into your planning as there really is no way to secure everything as the early settlers found out. Maybe add 20 percent or more for losses whether from charity or theft/slaughter above and beyond normal losses of disease, weather etc. It is my belief that homesteaders need more planning and defenses than others because of the reasons you mention. Wire, alarms, FOF, traps, trips, moats, spikes whatever make it look unwelcome and more of a hard target, downright unhospitable looking. It will also take more security personel whcih means more people which means they need to be a part of the "trusted" working team now IMO. Any mistakes in OPSEC or defenses you will pay dearly for because a single predator can wipe you out in a night. If the neighbors kids know you have a hole in the fence they can cross then you are vunerable.
            Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

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            • #7
              excellent points MIO. Their are all kinds of things a person can do to keep varmints out.

              ex. Multifloral Rose bushes or blackberry/raspberry bushes.
              Last edited by 610Alpha; 01-31-2012, 12:57 PM.
              "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Matt In Oklahoma View Post
                It is my belief that homesteaders need more planning and defenses than others because of the reasons you mention. Wire, alarms, FOF, traps, trips, moats, spikes whatever make it look unwelcome and more of a hard target, downright unhospitable looking. It will also take more security personel whcih means more people which means they need to be a part of the "trusted" working team now IMO.
                That is terrific advice. If you can't hide, be aware that your farm's presence will draw in more people by its very nature and start planning early for a way of dealing with that.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hidden Agenda View Post
                  Yep. We were truly blessed to find land on the end of a mile long dirt road, with a 1 acre fish pond on it.
                  That sounds terrific! I hope my search for land is as successful as yours!

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                  • #10
                    Great topic! Making me think more about future plans and how to protect them.

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