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  • Do You Need a Gun to Garden?

    Wanted to share this newsletter I recently got:

    Do You Need a Gun to Grow a Garden?


    Well guns aren't really that useful for digging or anything like that. But do you need a gun if you are becoming self-reliant? Let me tell you a true story that happened to me which had me re-think the whole concept of security.

    Back when we were first starting to sell the DVD Food Production Systems for a Backyard or Small Farm I had a very shocking experience. When I say shocking, I mean I was really dumbfounded, and almost couldn't speak for a long time.

    I was at a local shop talking with the owner about carrying the DVD in his store. He was congenial enough, but looked me right in the eye and told me "I will never need to grow food". I told him that you never knew what was coming and being able to grow food could be a crucial skill. He flatly told me he would neverhave to grow food. I asked him why, and he said "because I have this", and from under the counter he pulled out a big black semi-automatic gun.

    I stared at the gun not understanding, and I asked him 'What do you mean?"

    "Well, if anything happens" he said, "it is like this; with this gun I can get all the food I need from people like you who grow it".

    Several customers who had been listening in on the conversation agreed with the shop owner. They were ordinary looking people and I would have never guessed they would have this kind of thinking.

    Now I live in Texas, which has a proud tradition of gun ownership. Buying, selling, and swapping guns is easy and legal - in fact, it is a major pastime for many Texans. And while Texas may be on the more extreme end of the spectrum, that kind of mentality exists in some form everywhere.

    So I began a project of researching guns and self-defense. Within the history of recent periods it is well documented that crime and violence go up as economic conditions go down. And there certainly are scenarios where law and order break down. Having some level of defense is an important skill.

    Here is a short summary of the major points and useful resources I have discovered about self-defense. One of the first things I found is gun owners are strongly opinion-ed and they rarely agree. Most of them were very friendly and offered lots of help in my process of trying to find what weapons I might need and how to use them. But be aware there is a lot of conflicting information out there.


    Getting some basic training is essential. Of all the videos I've seen, I found the series produced by The Outdoor Channel titled "The Best Defense" to have the most useful and specific information for a novice gun owner. You can order a copy from Amazon.com <elittle removed the link>.

    Of the many trainings that are available there are some that are free or low cost. We attended an excellent training done over a weekend where they teach rifle marksmanship and an entertaining dose of revolutionary war history. The training is sponsored by a group called Appleseed. As of 2010, the course was free to women and children, and only $75 for men. They welcomed beginners and a majority of the rifles were inexpensive .22 caliber. To find an Appleseed event near you <use your favorite search engine, elittle removed link>.

    As a woman, I found that I felt comfortable with the .22LR caliber as a first handgun and rifle. Lower startup cost, relative quiet, and low recoil helped my skittish nerves and fear of these powerful new tools. As I gained more experience and got comfortable with gun safety and operation, I moved up to a 9mm handgun. Over half of all hand guns sold in the US are 9mm and with that much popularity the caliber is likely to be available as long as ammunition is available.

    Another very common and versatile gun is the shotgun. By far, 12 guage is the most widely available size. If you are only going to have one gun, I have to agree with the experts recommendation of the 12 guage shotgun with a shorter barrel as an all around weapon. The first time I shot a 12 guage it was loaded with heavy buckshot and I almost fell over from the noise and recoil and I was afraid of them for a long time. Later, a friend introduced me to low recoil rounds, and after some testing, I realized that even simple bird shot loads (which are fairly light) would be highly effective in home - or garden - defense scenarios. My 11 year old son can also handle the 12 gauge with lighter loads.

    Hopefully, you and I (or my son!) will never get to the point of needing a weapon to defend our gardens and livestock. But it sure is something to think about - and prepare for. Actually, I have been finding it a lot of fun to go shooting.

    Bang! Next week we'll look at the fortune you are probably pissing away.

    Until then,

    Marjory Wildcraft & the Backyard Food Production Team

    I must also give credit to their website: http://www.backyardfoodproduction.com/ since it was their newsletter.

    ***** I think this illustrates the importance of having your own security and shows what others are thinking that don't prep but have guns*****
    "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

  • #2
    I agree, everyone should become familiar with firearms, if not own them outright.
    Another reason to have a gun handy when outside on the homestead: last year, a couple of miles down the road from us a lady was attacked and bitten by a rabid raccoon while she was gardening. Now, it was assumed the coon was rabbid because: a.it was broad daylight, and b. normal raccons don't attack people. Since the coon ran away, the lady had to undergo the rabies treatment.
    Not all self defense is against two legged animals.
    "There is nothing so exhilarating as to be shot at without result." Winston Churchill
    Member: Veterans of Foreign Wars, Vietnam Veterans of America, American Legion, AMVETS, Society of the Fifth Infantry Division

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rice paddy daddy View Post
      Not all self defense is against two legged animals.
      FOR SURE!!
      Guns and gardening/farming
      How many times have you neede to get squirells outta the tomaters, coons outta the corn, deer outta the peanuts, crows of the cantaloupe, wolves off the melons
      yep I say they go together
      Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

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      • #4
        Originally posted by elittle View Post

        "Well, if anything happens" he said, "it is like this; with this gun I can get all the food I need from people like you who grow it".

        Several customers who had been listening in on the conversation agreed with the shop owner. They were ordinary looking people and I would have never guessed they would have this kind of thinking.

        Now I live in Texas, which has a proud tradition of gun ownership. Buying, selling, and swapping guns is easy and legal - in fact, it is a major pastime for many Texans. And while Texas may be on the more extreme end of the spectrum, that kind of mentality exists in some form everywhere.
        I think your right, over here in England we have some of one of the lowest rates of gun ownership in Europe. Yet there are still plenty of people who would try their luck with whatever they could lay their hands on.

        I suppose that’s the only upside of living in a country with tight gun control...if or when something like that happens there will be a period where people who have gone through the rigmarole of legally arming themselves will have something of an edge on any would be assailants.

        That’s what I’m hoping anyway......

        Eventually I’ll probably get a section 1 firearms certificate because I do love guns but for any would be self supporter I think the section 2 shotgun certificate is the way to go. It’s a lot easier to acquire and although your limited to guns that hold three cartridges it’s still pretty reasonable, for here anyway. (As many shotguns as you can fit in your gun safe and unlimited cartridge allowance.)

        As others have said as well there are a lot of animals after what you grow too. At the minute I’m just growing stuff in my garden, and I don’t have to worry about much other than slugs, but all being well in the future I hope to get an allotment. In which case, I’ll have allsorts to deal with.

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        • #5
          protus's cliff notes ( expect sarcasm)

          hippy wakes up to reality

          ;p


          needless to say , i have told people , and they get very annoyed when they hear it.

          I train, practice and prep in some areas to be able to protect myself for my fellow forum posters.

          How many here are on survival forums or even gun forums.
          How many do you think have more guns and junk than they do food or the resources to produce food.
          Do the math on who you will be keeping out of your garden or your home if it got bad.
          It wont be the ghetto thug, it'll be the well armed suburbanite , who is forced to go look for food when his wife and kid are starving, Sure those guys have all the cool look at my gear/gun threads.....but it is them, your gonna be dealing with. Add in how desperate they are at that point...and it will make matters worse. Let alone those thousands on the many prep forums that refuse to put up food, for the 100 of reasons why....and have all the gear.....
          Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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          • #6
            I agree that you will need to protect yourself from all threats, and don't kid yourself what won't be a threat.

            Adding to what Protus said:

            In my first search for "meet and greet" through on line forums. I had found and responded to a post that stated their "group" might be local to me. I then later had correspondence with some others at a meet and greet and had mentioned the Poster I had contacted. The first of the two who had talked with the "group" said "Eh, not for me, I don't like some of their ideas" and the other was "No, no thanks" and just shook his head with an odd look. I didn't press the issue as I would probably find out on my own.

            About a month later I got an e-mail from someone who said they started the "group" asking what I was about. What I stood for and the like. I told him pretty much what I have mentioned here on the S&P with mostly newbie questions. We sent e-mails a couple times back and forth mostly chit-chat, I also learned he was in the next town over :eek: .When his last message told me that they weren't looking for more, and in fact they had gotten too big (45 members) and things weren't going as planned. He mentioned the last two weren't vetted well enough and were causing problems. My last reply was that I wished him luck and hoped things turned out well for his endeavors.

            I later told the two (from the other forum) about what had happened and they confirmed my worries. This "group" was more anti-government militia type group and didn't like their mind-set. And now they are being infiltrated with wackos possibly pushing the agenda farther. In a town near you.

            I have moved a little bit farther away but it's just one more things on my list to put on my prep list.
            A desire changes nothing, a decision changes some thing's, but determination changes everything.

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            • #7
              @protus - you nailed it! But goes to show even hippies can wake up to reality :)
              "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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              • #8
                Any person can be dangerous but a starving person with starving kids is a danger to everyone. Now add in a baseball bat, Knife or firearm (Your make and model here) and death Will follow. In a SHTF situation protection is needed from the unprepared.
                When an emergency is upon you the time for preparation has past.

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                • #9
                  The kinda weird thing I read somewhere was that the guy in the group that was the first to bring up "blowing something up" is usually a fed. I know that sounds like tinfoil hat stuff, but it rings kinda true also. If a group hit 45 members or so, there's an excellent chance that it's going to attract some whackos, be they paranoid shizophenics or feds. It would be a very good reason to establish some ground rules going in, I think. Make sure everyone is on the same page, and STAYS on the same page once Rambunny gets involved. Anybody who showed up with a lot of guns and no other preps would be a warning flag for sure, I think.

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                  • #10
                    i would like to hear from countries that have had experiences with sociatal collapse, because most of what i am going to say is based on speculation and unproved hypothesis.
                    being an american in canada-being a cowboy from arizona and former military i am pro guns and beleive everyone should be armed. i understand the hordes of folks who just think they can go north and kill a cow or pig or steal corn by being armed,all i can say to that is be well aware that the ranchers and farmers will be shooting back.
                    now if you look at any fictional movie or book it seems that good folks will band together against the bad folks, only time will tell who will win the constant battles, all i can say is that they are coming into my backyard that i am at home in and have prepared for such amimosity where they will be weary and hungry. i hope that my advantages will make me have a better chance.
                    i also look at the city mentallity-ie: the fear of the bush up here, the wifes sister refuses to let her kids even sleep in the trailer cuz shes worried a bear will rip it open and eat the kids thats city folk (no offense meant) just an observation.
                    i hope all my preps work, if not there will be some well fed folks eating beside my rotting corpse-it is what it is.
                    manowar

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                    • #11
                      I hope that it never comes down to this, but I definately feel that protecting yourself, garden and livestock will be a huge priority. Just be prepared for the worst.

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