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    One real example of having cash in your physical position can be one good prep to have. Another reason to have supplies on hand so you don’t need to buy anything for seven days.

    Now these people are coming off a weekend and are going to have to go nine days of only being able to access $66 a day via ATM only, only being able to pay bills on line (not real money) and won’t know the real status of their bank until the 6th of July.

    I will be interested to see if the locals will take credit cards and checks starting Monday during daily business transactions; or will be all cash and barter for the next nine days.

    I am going to use this as a reminder look at what I use over a seven day period and see what gaps I have.

    Hope you have your boots on, I am sure the BS will get pretty deep by lunch time.


    “A decree published early Monday in the official Government Gazette stipulates banks will not open Monday morning and would remain closed through Monday, July 6. The finance minister could decide to shorten or extend that period.
    Withdrawals from ATMs will be capped at 60 euros ($66) daily. The decree said ATMs would be working at the latest 12 hours from its publication, meaning cash machines should open by early afternoon.
    Web banking transactions would be mostly free, allowing Greeks to pay bills online. However, they cannot move money to accounts abroad.”

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    ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Greece's five-year financial crisis took its most dramatic turn yet, with the cabinet deciding after an 8-hour session that Greek banks would remain shut for six business days and restrictions would be imposed on cash withdrawals.

    The Athens Stock Exchange would also not open Monday, financial sector officials confirmed.

    The moves were meant to staunch the flow of money out of Greek banks and spur the country's creditors to offer concessions before a bailout program expires Tuesday. The accelerating crisis has thrown into question Greece's financial future and continued membership in the 19-nation shared euro currency — and even the European Union.

    For the past two days, Greeks have been rushing to ATMs to withdraw money across the country following Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras' sudden weekend decision to call a referendum on creditor proposals for Greek reforms in return for vital bailout funds.

    A decree published early Monday in the official Government Gazette stipulates banks will not open Monday morning and would remain closed through Monday, July 6. The finance minister could decide to shorten or extend that period.

    Withdrawals from ATMs will be capped at 60 euros ($66) daily. The decree said ATMs would be working at the latest 12 hours from its publication, meaning cash machines should open by early afternoon.

    Web banking transactions would be mostly free, allowing Greeks to pay bills online. However, they cannot move money to accounts abroad.

    Credit and bank cards issued abroad can be used at ATMs with no restrictions, benefiting foreign visitors to Greece and its tourist industry. Anxious tourists had joined locals at ATM lines Sunday, thinking the restrictions would also apply to them.

    For emergency needs, such as importing medicines or sending remittances abroad, the Greek Treasury was creating a Banking Transactions Approval Committee to examine requests on a case-by-case basis.

    The decision to impose capital controls came after a Bank of Greece recommendation, Tsipras said during a televised address.

    Tsipras blamed the Eurogroup, the gathering of the eurozone's finance ministers, and its decision to reject a request for the bailout program, which expires June 30. He again asked for it to be extended by a few days to allow for a referendum.

    The referendum decision, ratified by Parliament after a marathon 13-hour session that ended in the early hours of Sunday, shocked and angered Greece's European partners. The country's negotiations with its European creditors have been suspended, with both sides accusing each other of being responsible for talks breaking off.

    Tsipras also blamed the European Central Bank's Sunday decision not to increase the amount of emergency liquidity the lenders could access from the central bank — meaning Greece has no way to replenish fast diminishing deposits.

    "It is now more than clear that this decision has no other aim than to blackmail the will of the Greek people and prevent the smooth democratic process of the referendum," Tsipras said.

    "They will not succeed. These moves will have the exact opposite effect. They will make the Greek people more determined in their choice to reject the unacceptable ... proposals and ultimatums of the creditors," he said.

    In the referendum set for next Sunday, the government is urging Greeks to vote against its creditors' proposals, arguing that they are humiliating and that they would prolong the country's financial woes.

    Spooked by rumors concerning impending fuel shortages, drivers flooded gas stations across Greece, prompting the country's largest refiner, Hellenic Petroleum, to issue a statement reassuring there are sufficient reserves of gasoline to last several months. The rush to gas stations may have been prompted less by worries about shortages than the impending withdrawal limits and rumors, later proven untrue, that the use of credit or debit cards would not be permitted.

    Greece's current bailout expires Tuesday, and the 7.2 billion euros ($8 billion) remaining in it will no longer be available to Greece after that date.

    Without those funds, Greece is unlikely to be able to pay a 1.6 billion-euro ($1.79 billion) International Monetary Fund debt repayment due the same day.

    "We don't know — none of us — the consequences of an exit from the eurozone, either on the political or economic front. We must do everything so that Greece stays in the eurozone," French Prime Minister Manuel Valls told France's i-Tele TV earlier Sunday.

    "But doing everything, that means respecting Greece and democracy, but it's also about respecting European rules. So Greece needs to come back to the negotiating table," he said.

    Two opinion polls published Sunday indicated that more Greeks want to stay in the eurozone and make a deal with creditors than want a rupture with the country's European partners. Both polls were conducted before Tsipras' referendum call, but they provide an indication of public sentiment.

    In the poll by Alco for the Proto Thema paper, 57 percent said they believed Greece should make a deal while 29 percent wanted a rupture of ties. A Kapa Research poll for To Vima newspaper found that 47.2 percent would vote in favor of a new, painful agreement with Greece's creditors, compared to 33 percent who would vote no and 18.4 percent undecided.

    Both polls were conducted from June 24-26 and had a margin of error of about 3.1 percent.

    On the banking front, the ECB has said it could reconsider its decision on credit levels.

    "We continue to work closely with the Bank of Greece and we strongly endorse the commitment of member states in pledging to take action to address the fragilities of euro-area economies," ECB chief Mario Draghi said.

    Yannis Stournaras, governor of the Bank of Greece, said the bank would "take all measures necessary to ensure financial stability for Greek citizens in these difficult circumstances."

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    David McHugh in Frankfurt, Geir Moulson in Berlin and Jamey Keaten in Paris contributed to this report.
    Last edited by hidden_waldo; 06-29-2015, 12:32 AM.

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    Years ago, when I lived in Colorado, my bank was shut down and taken over by the FDIC. Many of you here are probably too young to remember the S&L failures here in the states in the 80's. They accepted the people's Friday pay check but closed the bank....and it was Memorial day weekend. There were several people in line when I went there that lived pay day to pay day and had no food/money for the 3 day weekend.
    I always have had a (sometimes small) cash reserve at home...enough to make it through a week if I watch it. I also have money in at least two different institutions. That doesn't completely cover a situation like Greece, but it does mitigate isolated institutional failures.
    "Common sense might be common but it is by no means wide spread." Mark Twain

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    • #3
      The people of Greece have known for a couple years that their economy was in the toilet. They knew this day was coming.

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      • #4
        The "sad story" pics in the media are just like those people who KNOW a hurricane is coming but fail to prepare and then are shown on TV with weeping faces as they try to access an ATM with no power, or buy food with no cash...

        But as one who has been "paycheck to paycheck" several times in my life (one who does remember the S&L failures of the 80's), it does suck when you don't have preps or cash to tuck away...

        Rmpl
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rmplstlskn View Post
          The "sad story" pics in the media are just like those people who KNOW a hurricane is coming but fail to prepare and then are shown on TV with weeping faces as they try to access an ATM with no power, or buy food with no cash...

          But as one who has been "paycheck to paycheck" several times in my life (one who does remember the S&L failures of the 80's), it does suck when you don't have preps or cash to tuck away...

          Rmpl
          I agree 100%.. However, I remember last year when they had their retirement and savings accounts raided by the gov and seeing DOZENS of sad stories about empty shelves and pictures of mothers with small children showing their meager food supplies as if to imply those evil IMF thugs are doing this to my family. Do I feel for them?? YES it's a truly crappy situation but they knew it was coming. They are sure to see even worse times ahead. Still most of them won't prepare, even now. Why? because they can't grasp the reality that the gravy train is over..

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          • #6
            Greece preparing to SEIZE (they call it a haircut) depositors money to BAIL IN Greece



            Getting bad over there...

            Rmpl
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            • #7
              Yep, Damn sure di remember

              Originally posted by jimmycthemd View Post
              Years ago, when I lived in Colorado, my bank was shut down and taken over by the FDIC. Many of you here are probably too young to remember the S&L failures here in the states in the 80's. They accepted the people's Friday pay check but closed the bank....and it was Memorial day weekend. There were several people in line when I went there that lived pay day to pay day and had no food/money for the 3 day weekend.
              I always have had a (sometimes small) cash reserve at home...enough to make it through a week if I watch it. I also have money in at least two different institutions. That doesn't completely cover a situation like Greece, but it does mitigate isolated institutional failures.
              The whole dang world appears to have forgotten it was a BUSH that caused that.

              Sure nuff, he was found to be responsible ...... (Put on your surprised face here) ....... he was fined but NEVER CHARGED with the criminal and civil charges the report said he was guilty of.

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              • #8
                Sold some of our few remaining stocks today after they went up a good bit. It pays a pretty good dividend so I've been waiting on selling it for that reason.

                However, the Greece situation, the CHINESE economic situation, OUR economic situation..... and a dozen other things are making me think sit COMPLETELY on the sidelines for a while. WHEN the big correction- like Dow 10,000 comes back around, that's when we will buy some back in. Like they say "blood in the streets is the best time to invest."

                And yes our preps are in order to both cause and fix "blood in the streets" also ;)

                This is more long term retirement planning stuff.
                www.homesteadingandsurvival.com

                www.survivalreportpodcast.com

                "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed..."

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