Chicken Little

[Mannlicher]

There are enough really bad, really verifiable, really important things going wrong, to be worried about.

.........just saying.

[justanothergunnut]

In the 90's it was FEMA death camps, and black helicopters. Crazy whack by the name of koernke was even telling people the Maintenance code stickers on the back of road signs were secret code for UN troops to be able to find the nearest FEMA camp. I believe it detracts from the serious business ahead .

[cpt_sfc]

Koernke was a bit nuts , I'll give you that. But don't overlook the facts that are still out there. In my area 911 -E is by GPS. You can't opt out. I have several retired GOV IDs but when I cash a ck most all of the time the bank will demand a state DL ,Why, And it must be valid. Cameras at all interstate inter_change and intersections of major hwy,s. This info is run through a nationwide program that track plate,s of vehicles and the travel patterns. Ck on line for police beat news, police tech , Government tech. news it is there it is real and you can read how wonderful they think it is.. So you are right we don't need to inflate the actual problems. OH but gov workers would not misuse this info. ??!! I would not bet on it.

[cpt_sfc]

Update, while near I-75 at the indian river overpass what did I see ? a road crew completing a pole tower on the over pass with 6 cameras on it and a nice antenna on top of the pole. How nice, This is of course along with all the other cameras on the interstate and intersections only for your protection. If only all the elected officials would wear body cams, only for their own good, they have nothing to hide we are not interested in anything they do as long as they don't break the law!!. Yeh Koernke was nuts but maybe just ahead of his time

[justanothergunnut]

Koernke wasn't ahead of his time! He was nothing more than a fear mongering alarmist profiting from peoples fears. He played on their ignorance and used it to further weave his tale of BS. EVERY example of "proof" he gave to support his claims had very logical REAL explanations. The maintenance code stickers on the back of street signs was but one of his many fairy tales.

[prc-104]

I wouln't just write off Koernke

Koernke wasn't ahead of his time! He was nothing more than a fear mongering alarmist profiting from peoples fears. He played on their ignorance and used it to further weave his tale of BS. EVERY example of "proof" he gave to support his claims had very logical REAL explanations. The maintenance code stickers on the back of street signs was but one of his many fairy tales.

Far as I've ever seen, he didn't make any "profit" by profiting off of peoples fears.
Unlike many of the non-mainstream folk he's not making a living off of what he does.
Unlike Rush, Stein, Savage,
Statmuller (RRI).

I know for a fact that the state government of Ohio used tachymer's for directional guidance (yes, on the back of highway signs.) 1984 thru 1987 when I left OHP.

Lastly, I knew Mark Gregory Koernke in Vietnam when he was in MI.
He may sound boastry sometimes but generally, he's really been there done it.

Before you ding somebody too much, you might want to get to know them better.

Now I'm not slamming you because what you said was your opinion.
I'm also not saying Mark Koernke is as pure as the driven snow either.
IMHO

[justanothergunnut]

Really. He never profited from fear mongering?? I went and saw him speak twice in central California back in the day. His presentation was full of fund raising They certainly made sure that the request for donations went out more than once. So I'm not just speaking from opinion... I WAS THERE!!! As far as Ohio using decals on the back of street signs for direction that's great but exactly what in the heck does that have to do with FEMA death camps? unless your claiming that Ohio used them for directions to FEMA death camps. His allegations ranged from the above mentioned to claiming that electronic ignition modules and computer controlled systems were so the .gov could track known patriots because they were actually in cahoots with the automobile manufacturers. His "proof" of this was that his older truck didnt need such advanced systems. Never bothering to state the obvious that his older truck didnt need it because it didn't fall under newer federal pollution standards or the industries push for better gas mileage. Ooh then there was the black helicopter scenario where he claimed that all the black helicopters flying around without FAA tail numbers was proof of a shadow government agency conducting ops on patriots. Of course the FACT that military aircraft don't have FAA tail numbers didn't matter to Koernke all that mattered was could he mix a tad bit of truth with his tales of BS to get people worked up. I wrote off Koernke THEN as a whack job and nothing ive heard since changes my mind.

[protus]

I guess it'd be bad timing to post a link to an article about what your cars CPU tracks...or your on board navigation system......
:p

I want the road signs just to say it "fema camp 10 miles.."
We don't have drive ins anymore so I'm curious where they will go....

[justanothergunnut]

I guess it'd be bad timing to post a link to an article about what your cars CPU tracks...or your on board navigation system......
:p

I want the road signs just to say it "fema camp 10 miles.."
We don't have drive ins anymore so I'm curious where they will go....

No I'm well aware of what can be done now with on board gps and systems like onstar. But you can't use today's technology as proof and go back in time to give validity to statements made 22+ years ago. He wasn't saying "the technology is on the verge of deployment that gives the gov this ability" he was saying "this tech is in your car now and the fed is using it to track you"
The ability to one day go back in time and arrest a suspect BEFORE he commits a crime may exist in the future but to claim the cops are doing it now would be ridiculous. If say in 50 years the ability to time travel is discovered does that then mean that the statement made 50 years prior was true?? Of course not. As with all cons it works best when you mix a little truth with the lies. Koernke knew this. Now perhaps he believed what he was saying that would make him a whack and not a con man.

[prc-104]

This is cool :-)

Ok I get it now, thanks!

The guy is still a whacko, no matter what.

OK, I'm good with that,

A feller, a smart feller, (to steal a line from that Mel Gibson movie) might go out on the edge and say "Perhaps the guy was prescient."

Or ,,,, maybe he had a connection somewhere and "heard" stuff.

Via Darpanet in '79 I heard we were going to become a country of white collar workers with the bulk of folk stuck at desks working with computers for a living, that manufacturing industry was going elsewhere and TV and communications were going to be by satellite, followed by cable, followed by digital connection wired into all houses and buildings providing, amongst other things, the ability to see who went into and out of your house.

Some would, perhaps, consider that to be prescient but probably not.

Guess you're right.

Still, I guess I'm a dork so I'm gonna quit chasing this thread.

[Lowdown3]

Mark was a little "excitable" at times and many of those close to him even recognized that and acknowledged that.

Outside of that, I always found him to be forthright.

As far as money grubbing type concerns- I never saw it. And to be honest, as a young college student copying and selling his VHS tapes at gunshows, patriot rallies, etc. MANY of which he and John (Statmiller) attended, I was NEVER chastised, said a word to about making the copies AND I'll admit selling them. Never even a sideways look about it. And there was MORE THAN A FEW in the patriot movement then that would- and did- freak out about such things (copying tapes).

*To me* that showed his character. To be honest, doing similar with another party cost me a $1500. settlement at a time for me that $1,500. was about 2 month income. (This is all 20+ years ago now). I saw others doing something and getting away with it and I did it also, but that's hardly an excuse.

I think one of the big reasons I sponsored Mark's show on shortwave for years was me feeling like "wow, this guy never said a word to me although it was right in front of him, but this other place it cost me big bucks." I didn't always agree with everything he said or did, but I respected him based on my experience with him personally.

When he was "away" I sent Nancy some bucks here and there, even though to be honest I could barely keep my own head above water at the time. Not because anyone asked, etc. but because I hoped that were the situation reversed, someone would do that for my wife.

When Statmiller split from them and took two months of sponsorship money of mine with them, Mark and them were the ones that said "OK, don't worry about it then." THEY were the ones on the hook with WWCR and they could have demanded me pay AGAIN but they didn't.

Excitable? Yes at times. Dishonest, HELL NO. Money grubbing, no.

[Rmplstlskn]

I concur... Mark was a good guy all in all. Not a cheat. Misguided at times, yes. I hope he is doing well...

I often wonder what guys like Mark, the old-school militia leaders, early-MOM's, and The Resister contributors think of where we are NOW in current events... Most were warning of what we see now in the early 90's, but now at unimaginable levels, like militarization of police, armed federal agencies, etc... Many seem to have just gotten old, irrelevant, racialist (Gritz & Barry/SFU), which is not racist, but RACIALIST (aka pro-caucasian), or have resigned the USA to its chosen demise...

Rmpl

[Mannlicher]

fun to discuss some of my favorite panic pimps. :)

[protus]

fun to discuss some of my favorite panic pimps. :)

We all know your favorite moved to Ireland ..... :)

[Benn Gleck]

We all know your favorite moved to Ireland ..... :)

I REALLY dislike that guy!

Pompous sexual intellectual he is.:cool: