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  • everyone has $3000 extra.

    with the power of "what if" the situation is as follows....
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    you've been saving and being frugal, each month you've put money back for a rainy day.
    your spouse is on board with you regarding preparedness. your larder is full, you have put away your beans for a year, bullets for 10 years, and a small pile of silver and gold coins.
    every month you pay your bills and buy the necessities, a few extras, and add to your rainy day fund which now has $3000. in it. your job is very secure.
    --
    and your spouse keeps telling you that inflation is getting worse. you read on the internet, and see on tv and hear from your trusted financial advisors , that massive inflation is hitting and the purchasing power of the dollars that you worked so hard to save is about to disappear.

    you've worked too hard to see this asset disappear. on your way home from work you hear on tcr (trusted Christian radio) that the germans, chineese, Indians, Russians, and consortium of arab states have just finished a big economic conference and have concluded that the $ will no longer be the "reserve cuurency."
    the group spokesman reports that the u.s. will be in practical default by the end of the month.... cnn commentators are laughing about how ridiculous this is.
    Obama is on tv announcing that the idea of America defaulting is entirely not possible.

    when you get home... your wife has seen the same info... you decide you will go spend the 3,000 "while you still can!"
    what will you buy?

    and feel free to disclose another amount that (with the power of what if!) is your families magic number, and what your purchasing plan will include>
    of course, we will all know that you are working with an imaginary number!!
    and being a politically correct post, we all know that this could never happen in the u.s.a.
    so this is a just pretend!

  • #2
    I would go buy staple's (flour, sugar, cooking oil, salt, pepper, spices, etc), things that was in short supply during WWII. Cans of soup, canned meats, probably more canning jars, rings, and lids. Few extra gas cans and gas for the genny, spare pair of boot's, sock's, boot strings. I know this is stuff I already have, but you can always use extra just in case.

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    • #3
      Tangibles! You know prices are soon to increase so buy more food storage. You stated that your bullet store is 10 years worth, so I assume your weapon stash is comparable. Precious metals are stored away as well. I would also look at things that maybe you haven't stored much of, like cooking oils, TP, female supplies, toothpaste/brushes, barter stuff, seeds, fuel, pri-G to name some. Of course you have all your first aid supply's, right? And BA? Just some stuff off the top of my head.


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      • #4
        i'm thinking that used tractor down the road should be about 2700 to 3000. a tractor will be in high demand and value should rise as dollar falls.

        edited to add....
        that sleeping bag that jrh has got is 150 on sale.
        1 tractor for 2850 and one jrh gortex sleeping bag!!
        Last edited by rockriver; 11-05-2013, 10:12 PM. Reason: saw jrh sleeping bag sale.

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        • #5
          3k$ money down or outright buy a small lot of land to bug out to(if.........i lived in a bad area).
          but since i dont.

          i dont jump to craziness..(anyone recall the banks are flopping pull your money out threads from 5 years ago...how bout 2 years ago....)..

          so id prolly keep some of it in the bank,,take some out for cash on hand. and make sure the stupid stuff is topped off. such as-
          tp
          fem products
          vitamins
          all scripts filled
          gas tanks topped off and all gas storage filled topped off.


          but if its that bad businesses will flop...that means no jobs..that means bills cant be paid..........that means the banks will swoop in to take your home..car..etc.


          so maybe that 3k or whatever magical number would be better suited to pay things off prior to that flop.....
          Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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          • #6
            Right now, right here in montana I would buy 10 cheap warm sleeping bags, ten pair of cheap warm boots and clean off the rack of large/ extra large winter coats at the local goodwill. Then hit the box store for a pickup load of beans and rice.
            This would be for the cold hungry folks who would be my initial defense team.

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            • #7
              It sounds like the others have hit it pretty well. My addition is stuff that could be traded, such as .22 ammo, small boxes of matches, etc.
              Survival question. What do I need most, right now?

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              • #8
                Water,TP, feminine products, soaps, bread, batteries.
                אני אעמוד עם ישו וישראל

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rockriver View Post
                  i'm thinking that used tractor down the road should be about 2700 to 3000. a tractor will be in high demand and value should rise as dollar falls.

                  edited to add....
                  that sleeping bag that jrh has got is 150 on sale.
                  1 tractor for 2850 and one jrh gortex sleeping bag!!
                  rr,
                  Bag is great but a tractor without fuel is called a planter in TN.


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                  ATTENTION: No trees or animals were harmed in any way in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were really ticked off!

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                  • #10
                    If it were my savings for a rainy day, I would buy more PMs. If nothing happens and it is needed for real world use it can be easily converted back to cash or possibly used as is. If the SHTF, it's still very useful.

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                    • #11
                      patriot...
                      great point... however... in my case.
                      I live in an agricultural community... lot's of folks keep fuel.

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                      • #12
                        If I didn't have a set of NVG's Id dial up old RH over at JRH enterprises and buy myself a PVS14 then with the left overs, yeah I know crazy huh a milspec set of PVS14's and still have some of that 3k left, I'd buy more food.

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                        • #13
                          If the petro dollar goes bye bye then we can definitely expect hyper-inflation, especially with all of the $$ the Fed has been pumping into the economy to keep it afloat. Stock prices will come crashing down faster than Healthcare.gov. In this light I would spend the $3,000.00 on add'l long term food supplies. Currently, my wife and I are discussing an arrangement with a local cattle rancher where we buy a couple head of cattle up front to be butchered at a later date. We have bought sides of beef from him in the past. It's good range grown, organic beef. I frequently quail hunt on his property and pop a coyote (or mountain lion if I ever get the chance) every now and then. Anyways, I'd use the remaining to stock up on dry beans, rice, sugar, salt, flour, yeast.
                          "One cannot but ponder the question: what if the Arabs had been Christians? To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly what he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing. Here, I think, is a text for some eloquent sermon on the virtues of Christianity." - General George S. Patton, diary, June 9, 1943.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rockriver View Post
                            patriot...
                            great point... however... in my case.
                            I live in an agricultural community... lot's of folks keep fuel.
                            and how/can/will you get fuel from them............;)
                            Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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                            • #15
                              protus,
                              I see the smiley face.... at first I was surprised that you asked..
                              but we don't talk a lot about the answer to that question!!

                              "prolly" (sp?) some may think this is a serious question from a moderator to me *a newbie*
                              for someone who starts this thread here.

                              the specific question "how are you going to obtain fuel from a neighbor who has lots of fuel?
                              could be how are you going to obtain food, water filter, bb gun, or anything for that matter from someone who has the item?

                              i'm going to act like I know all about protus..
                              he's a moderator here and serious about survivalism.
                              he's moved to the woods. he knows the country is in trouble.
                              he wants to provide for his family and friends.
                              here are things protus has done...
                              (keeping in mind, I ain't never been to protus' home. just thinking about things that have been discussed here and
                              applying them to protus)
                              1 he has a well and small pond and has 2 big filter systems so his family can drink clean water.
                              2. he has food stored to the ceiling in mylar, pails and sto' bought.
                              3. he has multiple bb guns and cases of bb's the concrete floor is cracking.
                              4. he has hd camping , traveling, for camping gear , for living in the wild and for bob.
                              5. he is training and adding skills on a regular basis.
                              6. he doesn't have solar, but is working hard to learn about it, but protus does have a 5500 gasoline generator and a 10,000 pto operated generator to supply electricity to house and shed if the power goes out.
                              7. he has batteries, and rechargers for his radios and flashlights.
                              8. he has put back 10,000 bucks buried in his backyard. and many sacks of silver coins buried in the front yard. (protus doesn't like gold, so he only has a few gold coins)
                              9. he is slowly working to develop quality trust and friendships with his neighbors on his road and in his small rural village.
                              the little old lady who is on oxygen and barely getting by on her small pension and soc. sec. all the way up to the multi millionaire farmer down the road.
                              10. protus is getting active in disaster relief. making contacts with the ems, fire dept. sheriff's office and the local warden at the prison. just this week protus drove way up into his neighboring state to get some equipment for the local food kitchen that is mounted in a tractor trailer. he has started attending village council meetings.
                              11. protus is active in his local small country church. trying to learn all the small stuff and the really important stuff of their belief structure and comparing it to the Book.
                              12, protus is active on the internet. trying to teach and share all of info with others to spread the word and help others prepare.
                              if others prepare that is one less raider/thief in the area.
                              13. oh yeah... he has a super efficient import car that he bought from xjapan,x (oops.. edited to correct car origin as korea) and a HD gm truck that has 4wd and all the goodies.
                              14. and with other commodities protus knows that if the shtf and we wind up in the paw, being able to have fuel for his car and truck protus has quietly installed 2 large fuel tanks of 1000 gallons each of diesel and gasoline out behind the barn... he even installed a manual pump. it's tough but cranking 10 times to get one gallon is good for him! and of course he poured quarts of pri-g and pri-d into the appropriate tanks.
                              15. protus' wife and daughter have been making lists upon lists and adding that to protus' own lists of all the household and barn items that they still need to get... then crossing them off as the items are stockpiled. everything from sewing needles to spare fanbelts for the 4wd. he loves making lists and researching... lol.
                              16. protus has gotten into gardening and producing fruit trees... he's trying raised beds and regular gardening. as he can he is running pvc water lines from the barn to the orchard to the garden.
                              17 protus has started buying equipment to aid in his food production. it started with a sears rear tine roto tiller, then to a small Kubota30 hp compact tractor. he's added implements as he can find them used. protus is a tight wad you know!
                              but he's now got a 2 row plow, 2 disc harrows, front loader, dirt pan, sprayer, mower, tiller, spring tooth, and root rake.
                              most recently he traded for a mini cultivator for tilling in his garden.
                              ----
                              having done all that and more. he was unprepared when the shtf. for all that he would need.
                              --
                              he didn't have __________ . you fill in the blank with what ever item you'd like.
                              for this exercise... we are using fuel...
                              protus liked pumping gas out of his 1000 gal tank because it didn't have to be an additional charge on the credit card!!!
                              and he drained the tank!! aaaahhhh.

                              so the shtf... and protus needs to put in his spring garden. what to do.

                              he knows that mr farmer has several 5000 gallon tanks of diesel 1/4 mile down the road.
                              protus gets 4 yellow six gallon plastic diesel containers and puts them in his trusty garden wagon.
                              he adds a quart of his wifes pear preserves, a 1000 daisy bb's and some of his precious silver coins he's been saving up for a day just like this. he sticks his high velocity, high capacity plastic "master blaster" water gun loaded with ammonia in the wagon.
                              and heads of to farmer johns... he's had trouble with some dogs in the neighborhood and knows that he can deter any dog with a shot of ammonia.
                              thinking of how much easier and quicker the gardening will be if he can get just 1 gallon of diesel he heads off to farmer johns pulling his garden wagon through the woods..
                              approaching farmers house... he stops several times and waves at the barn and house making sure that he doesn't sneak up on anyone. of course protus is wearing the floppy straw hat he's known for in the community. it is his trademark.

                              mrs. farmer sees him first and races back inside and props up her ar15 in the corner of the porch that has been concrete reinforced as she gets on the radio to her husband and sons. they race in from the fields. protus sees granny step into the barn. he stops walking and takes a deep breath and slowly raises both hands... farmer showed him the stack of tools in the corner of the barn a while back. granny is taking the tarp off the tools... it's hard to tell at this distance but protus knows that one of those tools sticking out of that large barrel is a barrett m10 something or other. . granny settling in on the seat that farmer mounted behind the barrel.
                              protus chuckles knowing that granny was a col. in the army guard, but also knowing that they should have let him show farmers family all he knew about retreat defense.

                              as he calls out to the farm his name and salutations, he is motioned forward.

                              pleasantries are exchanged. granny recovers the barrett and tilts it back, then comes to the porch with some iced tea and asks about protus' son... the whole community was concerned that no one had heard from his son who was a captain in the army when the emp hit.
                              protus tendered his pear preserves and some fig preserves that he didn't realize his wife had added to the wagon.
                              stories and plans for their particular road were discussed... farmer had plenty of 50 cal. and 5.56, but what he really needed was bb's for pest protection in the pecan orchard... protus knew that!!
                              the farmer could see the 6 gallon cans in protus' wagon and knew why protus was there.
                              he had gotten lots of requests and in the beginning he'd been generous, but now he realized he and just a few other farmers still had all the diesel in that corner of the county. and he knew the value of the fuel.
                              protus had been uppity about all his survival training and what he knew before the shtf.
                              so farmer was going to make him ask for the fuel... but he also knew protus might have brought some bb's which farmer really needed.
                              so to make this short story short and to answer protus question.
                              fellow who let his tank run dry, will trade his 1000 rounds of bbs and 20 pre-64 dimes for 3 gallons of diesel.
                              the farmer was sincerely glad to get the bb's ... lots of squirrel meat quietly obtained. lots of pecans rescued from the little pests.
                              the farmer grinned at protus as he left pulling his wagon.. (a valuable thing to have the farmer thought)
                              but the audacity of his asking for 24 gallons of diesel!!
                              the farmer made him sweat, knowing that the only reason he gave up 3 gallons was that protus did spend a lot of time manning the barricade at the end of the road...

                              short answer -- you trade..
                              you trade goods
                              but more importantly... you trade goodwill and reputation.

                              rr

                              p.s. protus already knew the answer... he just wanted to see if I did!
                              protus already knew that we both have associates that will turn into raiders. raping, pillaging and killing if things fall apart.
                              Last edited by rockriver; 11-07-2013, 02:56 PM. Reason: correct - car origin!

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