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    utube on multiculturalism in france.

    especially mentions the muslims. warning for America in my humble but most accurate opinion!.

    i'm not wasting my time to send this to my big family email group. .
    I have several relatives that rant loud and ugly about how
    the muslims are the sweetest and nicest folks they know.
    I believe the proper term on sandp is idjits.




  • #2
    I've spent time with Muslims in the middle east, and you are wrong/and right. Some groups are very receptive, humble, peaceful, and loving. Others...not at all. It's really hard to group them all together.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by creman View Post
      I've spent time with Muslims in the middle east, and you are wrong/and right. Some groups are very receptive, humble, peaceful, and loving. Others...not at all. It's really hard to group them all together.
      The same could be said for any nationality or race or _____. The hard part is discerning which one you are dealing with because their religion says its okay to lie to your enemy so how would we really know.
      "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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      • #4
        I should hope that "they" would not get so entrenched in this country as in Europe, but given the fact that there are enough mentally challenged people to actually elect Obama twice I'm not really sure.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by 610Alpha View Post
          The same could be said for any nationality or race or _____. The hard part is discerning which one you are dealing with because their religion says its okay to lie to your enemy so how would we really know.
          I agree it is the same for every group. Being able to lie is called Taqiyah and it's an "if your life is in danger you can lie" type of thing. It's not taught in all circles of Islam but it is taught in some. This mentality is also taught in every culture, and many Christians have a "yeah I'll lie if I have to, God will forgive me" attitude. So again I say we should be careful to hate the group as a whole.

          I'm not saying be blindly trusting of ANYONE, just trying to caution against hate of a group based on the media. I would suggest grabbing a copy of the Quran and reading it. It actually has some aspects that Christians can relate to.
          for example:
          *Quran says all Biblical Scripture is good. (the challenge is to get them away from the oral tradition)
          *Teaches about Jesus being born and performing miracles. (They don't have concept of Trinnity)
          *Has several of Old Testament accounts. (some of the later ones are unfinished such as Moses. This actually gives us a good place to build confidence in Bible because it has the rest of the story.)
          *Christians teach about Narrow Path, they teach about straight path.
          *Will be receptive when you explain you believe in one true God and will do Quran/Bible studies. (save Trinnity for later)

          Point being, learn to relate and be useful instead of hating and writing off a group.
          Last edited by Guest; 10-30-2013, 03:34 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by creman View Post
            I've spent time with Muslims in the middle east, and you are wrong/and right. Some groups are very receptive, humble, peaceful, and loving. Others...not at all. It's really hard to group them all together.
            I certainly have not heard any of the "nice Muslims" raising Hell about the "bad Muslims" killing Christians and non-Muslims in Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia...etc. While I do agree it is not right to paint a group with a broad brush but until "good Muslims" stand against "bad Muslims" I am comfortable with grouping them together.

            Not every German was a Nazi, but every Nazi was a German and a whole lot Germans died in WWII who were not Nazis.
            "One cannot but ponder the question: what if the Arabs had been Christians? To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly what he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing. Here, I think, is a text for some eloquent sermon on the virtues of Christianity." - General George S. Patton, diary, June 9, 1943.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tackleberry View Post
              I certainly have not heard any of the "nice Muslims" raising Hell about the "bad Muslims" killing Christians and non-Muslims in Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia...etc. While I do agree it is not right to paint a group with a broad brush but until "good Muslims" stand against "bad Muslims" I am comfortable with grouping them together.

              Not every German was a Nazi, but every Nazi was a German and a whole lot Germans died in WWII who were not Nazis.
              It's funny because there it was a common topic about how bad it is. You haven't heard because you're not listening to the right places.

              You can be racist if you want, it really is your right. But I judge them no more than I want to be judged by the KKK. Their a white "Christian" organization so we all must be that way. right? I'm not even saying not to have caution and that all Muslims are peace loving and moral, because they're not. However you've given up on people before you ever even got to know them. Good luck with that.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by creman View Post
                It's funny because there it was a common topic about how bad it is. You haven't heard because you're not listening to the right places.

                You can be racist if you want, it really is your right. But I judge them no more than I want to be judged by the KKK. Their a white "Christian" organization so we all must be that way. right? I'm not even saying not to have caution and that all Muslims are peace loving and moral, because they're not. However you've given up on people before you ever even got to know them. Good luck with that.
                Ahhhh...the race card. It is the last bastion of the intellectually vacuous victims of public education. It no longer surprises me when Muslim apologists toss the race card and then start in with the KKK comparisons. It reminds me of Al Sharpton's Tawana Brawley episode..... The race card is over used and very pathetic. What's next? Are you going say that because I am white, conservative, Christian, own white linen and a bevy of different types of ropes that advocate lynching black folks????

                Ever hear of Rep. Andre Carson??? He beat you to it, Skippy!

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                Your understanding of history is as laughable as your understanding of the Quran, Muslims, or Christianity. Good Muslims, (ie. those who follow the actual teachings of the Koran) harass, intimidate, oppress, rob, rape, and kill infidels (ie. non-Muslims). Those teachings come straight from the Quran and are avidly preached by Sunnis and Shiites alike. Although the Sunnis and Shiites hate each other they put their mutual hatred aside to export non-stop hate, intolerance, and violence worldwide to infidels. Ever stop to wonder why the population of Christians in Arab countries has dropped to around 5% of the population in those countries? Or, do just blame that on the imperialist designs of Israel and their lackey, George W Bush? FYI, there are more than 100 verses (aka suras) in the Quran that compel Muslims to make war on non-Muslims. Try reading the Quran (as I have) before you go accusing infidels such as myself of being racists.

                You need to pull your head out of whatever dark stinky hole you have stuck it in and do some research about the Islamic attacks currently taking place in Africa. Muslims are killing Christians in Nigeria, Kenya, Tanzania, Somalia, Egypt, and Central African Republic at ever increasing rates. I won't even bother to discuss the attack in Mumbai, or the multitude of attacks in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Syria.

                You Muslim apologists like to claim that "mean Muslims" only make up 1% of the Muslim population. I think you're way off on that figure. Personally, I think the number is closer to 10% but, okay, let's do the math using YOUR 1% figure. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today. Therefore, if 1% of Muslims are of the "let's strap a homicide vest on or fly some hijacked planes into buildings and kill some infidels" type, then that means there are 16 million Muslims willing to strap on a homicide vest, walk into a crowded mall, and detonate their vests or crash planes into buildings. It only took 19 Muslims to murder 2,996 people on 9/11/01. That's 157.68 murder victims per "mean Muslim" on 9/11. That's the high side of "Islamic excellence". By comparison, "mean Muslims" such as Maj. Nidal Hassan and John Allen Muhammad, killed 14 (including Pvt. Francheska Velez's unborn baby) and 10, respectively. So, if we take the low side number, 10, and divide it by 2 (there were 2 DC snipers), then we come up with 5 murder victims per "mean Muslim". If 16 million "mean Muslims" can murder 5 infidels each that equals 80 million murdered infidels. By comparison, 60 million people died during WWII.

                Now, you can wrap yourself in your multicultural Kumbayah rainbow blankie and go love on Muslims all you want. That's your choice. You are, however, a willing victim who is ignoring the facts of the real world.
                "One cannot but ponder the question: what if the Arabs had been Christians? To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly what he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing. Here, I think, is a text for some eloquent sermon on the virtues of Christianity." - General George S. Patton, diary, June 9, 1943.

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                • #9
                  I'll keep this short. You act like you know me and you don't. I pulled the "race card" because you were being racist. I actually don't have issues with racist people, because sometimes there are reasons for it. At least admit who you are.

                  You don't know my understanding of history, or anything about me. What is your experience with these people? I've spent time with them, as well as a life study of religion. As a matter of fact, that is my profession and calling. You can tell me about my ignorance if you wish, but you would then be the kettle.

                  "You Muslim apologist" is another broad stroke of ignorance and hate from you. I see a trend here. I actually never claimed they are as a whole peaceful. You should read again. There are however enough inside the religion that are peaceful to stop painting with a large brush, which you have aptly done again to try and write me off. Willful ignorance is worse than just being wrong and I was attempting to encourage you to actually get out and experience something instead of taking the media and your friends at face value. It's a hard concept I know. I hope you can change, and I hope you can look at yourself honestly. I won't be replying to you anymore because just as you don't know me, I don't know you. Take my advice if you want, or not. Either way, you live with the results of your decision and you can answer for it one day. Not to me, but to God himself. You'll stand before Him and answer why you hate a group of people so much you condemed them to Hell in your own mind and didn't even give them a chance or chose to show them the love of Christ. Reminds me of Noah and Ninevah.

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                  • #10
                    Oh, so now it is the "I don't know you but you know me" creman show, right? I do know you because you are a self-righteous, intellectually vacuous, multicultural, Muslim apologist who tosses the race card, as well as other PC code words, at those you are incapable of dealing with in the arena of ideas. I noticed you did not, (more like could not) respond to the facts about Muslim violence. You know what that makes you? A shuck and jive race hustling moron.....just like our current President.

                    You and Obama are cut from the same bolt of cloth. You cannot disagree with Obama on ANYTHING without being labeled a racist, or a hater.

                    What's that? You don't like Obamacare?!?! Well you're a racist cracka!

                    Uh oh! You mentioned Obama's middle name during the 2008 election season! You are a white supremacist!

                    And if you didn't vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012 then you are a card carrying member of the KKK sure as sun rises in the East and sets in the West.

                    (yes i removed this part- protus)
                    "One cannot but ponder the question: what if the Arabs had been Christians? To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly what he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing. Here, I think, is a text for some eloquent sermon on the virtues of Christianity." - General George S. Patton, diary, June 9, 1943.

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                    • #11
                      guys...debate,and ,keep it civil or ill have to ! follow?
                      Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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                      • #12
                        Actually it wouldn't be racism , being muslim is a religion , has nothing to do with race . IMO if you live in an area and know that people are doing bad things and you do nothing about it , then you are just as guilty . If you know the guy downstairs in your building is making a bomb and you don't report him , you have that blood on your hands as well .

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                        • #13
                          Well said Mikeg175 - When good people stand by and do nothing.
                          "It's a trap!!!!" -- Admiral Ackbar

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 610Alpha View Post
                            Well said Mikeg175 - When good people stand by and do nothing.
                            To finish the quote "All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to stand by and do nothing". This applies to all aspects of life. Again, well said.
                            "Common sense might be common but it is by no means wide spread." Mark Twain

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                            • #15
                              Not how they see it in their culture. Religion is so much a part of their life all American's are Christians (even if they say they aren't). Hence why Christians are seen as the people they watch on MTV. All Palastinians are Muslim. All....etc. It really is a different perspective there. Individualism isn't a concept that is practiced freely. It's more important not to shame your family or community than to have personal conviction.

                              Most of the Muslims who decided to convert for a lack of a better term say "I am a Muslim follower of Christ!" This shows the fact that their culture and community are not something they can seperate. The wonderful thing about this community spirit though is once one person comes to saving faith in Jesus, most of the community follows. 80% of the "conversions" of Mulsim to Christianity in the middle east has happened in the last 10 years. If you really want to change a group, I don't see a better way.
                              Last edited by Guest; 11-04-2013, 12:47 PM.

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